hawker9000 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 hours ago, sanukjim said: No,It is about the same.Except for Lazarus and Jesus no one has been known to escape it. "no one has been known to escape it" ...because no one knows . And no one who hasn't actually returned from the dead can claim to know anything about it, one way or the other, black, white, hot, cold, or anything else. Atheism is just another belief, no more founded in fact or "reason" than any other religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Who would Fardels bear, to grunt and sweat under a weary life,but that the dread of something after death,the undiscovered country, from whose bournno traveller returns, puzzles the will,and makes us rather bear those ills we have,than fly to others that we know not of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I agree with, I think it was Woody Allen who said, "I'm not affraid of death, but I don't want to be there when it happens". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Surasak said: I agree with, I think it was Woody Allen who said, "I'm not affraid of death, but I don't want to be there when it happens". never a truer word spoken,Woody had it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 11 hours ago, deepinlaos said: they forget easy don't hang onto the past like westerners For Buddhists, life is suffering. Suffering is caused by craving and desire. That would include the desire to still have loved ones who died. Then there are the concepts of reality and the illusory nature of life and our perception. The universe is not under our control. My son has been dead 12 years now. Sometimes I think I just imagined him. Sometimes I'm sad, sometimes I laugh when I think about him. And if I can't find one of my tools, I sometimes blame it on him. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 12 hours ago, deepinlaos said: they forget easy don't hang onto the past like westerners 11 hours ago, Sirbergan said: You definitely haven't met my wife! When my first son was born in 1984, I was late bringing lunch to the hospital (must eat rice). 25-30 years later, I still got crap for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dancer Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Damrongsak said: For Buddhists, life is suffering. Suffering is caused by craving and desire. That would include the desire to still have loved ones who died. Then there are the concepts of reality and the illusory nature of life and our perception. The universe is not under our control. My son has been dead 12 years now. Sometimes I think I just imagined him. Sometimes I'm sad, sometimes I laugh when I think about him. And if I can't find one of my tools, I sometimes blame it on him. :) I admire your take on life and death, Damrongsak. I was going to say you're a true Buddhist but then I really don't know enough of Buddhism to say that. I just think you like some others have a knack for finding your way to happiness, even from such tragedies as the loss of a child. To my mind, to always see a glass half full is a blessing conferred more by inherent personality traits and life events than a particular faith. Also it helps to have a sense of humor. People who like to see the funny side tend to bounce back more easily. By the way great pic earlier of your son. Bet he left a lot of grieving females. Edited March 14, 2017 by The Dancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigeone Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The looks of almost scorn I used to get when I showed emotion or tears over issues like someone's death..gone already ...as if to say it's over he/she has gone now you have to get on with putting food on the plate etc. Not a particular race that shows much empathy and like others have said a very practical and realistic view on grief. The Buddhist influence I'm sure plays it part but mostly just a way of life and what they know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandemara Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Interesting perspectives offered. I believe people share common characteristics - love for family, partner, hopes for your children etc.Grief , loss and hearbreak occur all around the world. And most people experience the different stages of mourning. Unfortunately death is very personal. Those affected by it generally tend to lean on "tradition" in their particular culture so they have tools to rely on while dealing with the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxo1947 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yer--My wife must of been thinking about it of late---because she asked me only yesterday where I would like to be buried....... Apparently, " Balls deep in your younger sister " wasn't the acceptable answer ………….: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I can't figure it out either. My wife informs me that her father was an alcoholic who destroyed the family business and reduced them to a life of penury and then died at a comparatively young age of cirrhosis of the liver.She then goes on to say very proudly that 500 people turned up to his funeral and how well respected he was! Nevertheless he certainly has left his mark on a family that has more than its fair share of raging alcoholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Let's not forget, Thais are very PRAGMATIC. - If the deceased left a nice inheritance. If tears flow, would those be tears of joy or grief ? - If the deceased was a "deathbeat", that had to be supported by the family for decades. If tears flow, would those be tears of joy or grief ? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
music065 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 It is said that one of Buddha's students asked him about life after death. Buddha answered not to worry about after death. We all find out directly, eventually. Rather think of this day. Live it well. Then when death comes, you will be well prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Acceptance is part of the Buddhist teaching. No doubt also the belief in rebirthing helps also..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 3/11/2017 at 11:55 PM, swissie said: Folks that believe in any sort of resurrection tend to deal better with the inevitable. World champions are people that blow themselves up in crowded aereas, knowing that paradise awaits them wit 77 virgins at their disposal. Cheers. bury your head in the sand, or bury you 6 feet under, ill take the refreshing if depressing logic of 6 foot under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 2:24 PM, hawker9000 said: "no one has been known to escape it" ...because no one knows . And no one who hasn't actually returned from the dead can claim to know anything about it, one way or the other, black, white, hot, cold, or anything else. Atheism is just another belief, no more founded in fact or "reason" than any other religion. Atheism doesnt have all the answers unlike religion which tells you it has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen087 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 hours ago, kannot said: Atheism doesnt have all the answers unlike religion which tells you it has Really? I didn't know religions claimed to do that. Mine surely does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Ramen087 said: Really? I didn't know religions claimed to do that. Mine surely does not. You didn't know that? What do you think the attraction is then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen087 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 9 hours ago, giddyup said: You didn't know that? What do you think the attraction is then? The answer to all questions isn't the point. But you knew that aleardy, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 15 hours ago, kannot said: Atheism doesnt have all the answers unlike religion which tells you it has Yep, from earth bound blokes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ramen087 said: The answer to all questions isn't the point. But you knew that aleardy, didn't you? Hang on, you said that you didn't know that religion professed to have the answers, I said then what is their attraction, because like kannot I believe they say they do. Now you are saying the answer to the questions isn't the point. Perhaps you would like to spell out what the point is exactly? Edited June 12, 2017 by giddyup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC1 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 "no one has been known to escape it" ...because no one knows . And no one who hasn't actually returned from the dead can claim to know anything about it, one way or the other, black, white, hot, cold, or anything else. Atheism is just another belief, no more founded in fact or "reason" than any other religion. Atheism is simply a non belief in God or Gods. That's it. Most people arrive at this through their own logical thought process or rational thinking due to lack of evidence for God or Gods. It is not a religion. Regarding death I do think that Buddhists seem to deal with it quite well or differently than others. As an atheist I am ok with death. I couldn't find anything more repulsive than eternal life. When someone dies I don't find comfort in nonsense spoken like 'at least they are in a better place' or similar unfounded nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard ashoul Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 When they learn, that somebody is dying, they will be crying for a day. And after a day, they will be ok. When that person dies, they will be crying for a day again. And than they will be ok again. They just deal with it in short period of time and then they are OK. By being ok a mean being totaly ok. Mother was taken home from hospital, so she could die at her home. And family was making fun of her son. Because when lady across a street died, he was wearing Budhist ammulets a for couple of nights. As he was scared of her ghost. And they were making fun of him, what is he going to do, when his own mom dies in his own house? Will he drag a big Budha statue from temple to his bedroom? She was still alive in a next room. And they were just ok. I'm sorry for your loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard ashoul Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DMC1 said: Atheism is simply a non belief in God or Gods. That's it. Most people arrive at this through their own logical thought process or rational thinking due to lack of evidence for God or Gods. It is not a religion. Regarding death I do think that Buddhists seem to deal with it quite well or differently than others. As an atheist I am ok with death. I couldn't find anything more repulsive than eternal life. When someone dies I don't find comfort in nonsense spoken like 'at least they are in a better place' or similar unfounded nonsense. religion - i actively believe there's a god, atheism - i actively belive there isn't a god what is a word for a person, who doesn't care and can't be bothered with this topic? Edited June 12, 2017 by howard ashoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, howard ashoul said: religion - i actively believe there's a god, atheism - i actively belive there isn't a god what is a word for a person, who doesn't care and can't be bothered with this topic? Apathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I think Thais deal with life and death better than westerners. Thais have a way of just overlooking bad events and living for today while we fret about the past and the future. I don't know how they do it, but I wish I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 7 hours ago, howard ashoul said: religion - i actively believe there's a god WITH NO EVIDENCE, atheism - i actively belive there isn't a god BECAUSE THERES NO EVIDENCE what is a word for a person, who doesn't care and can't be bothered with this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Grubster said: I think Thais deal with life and death better than westerners. Thais have a way of just overlooking bad events and living for today while we fret about the past and the future. I don't know how they do it, but I wish I could. and a lot of them end up dead early because of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, kannot said: and a lot of them end up dead early because of that Very true but maybe their quality of life is better while they are alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen087 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, giddyup said: Hang on, you said that you didn't know that religion professed to have the answers, I said then what is their attraction, because like kannot I believe they say they do. Now you are saying the answer to the questions isn't the point. Perhaps you would like to spell out what the point is exactly? Living a good life while on the planet... No one has all the answers. Edited June 13, 2017 by Ramen087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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