Gibraltar says Spanish navy patrol ship made illegal incursion into its waters

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Gibraltar says Spanish navy patrol ship made illegal incursion into its waters

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The Union Jack (L), the Gibraltarian flag (C) and the European Union flag are seen flying, at the border of Gibraltar with Spain, in front of the Rock in the British overseas territory of Gibraltar, historically claimed by Spain April 3, 2017. REUTERS/Jon Nazca

 

LONDON (Reuters) - A Spanish navy patrol ship entered Gibraltar's territorial waters without permission on Tuesday, the government of the British outpost on the southern tip of Spain said.

 

The future of Gibraltar has become the first big dispute of Brexit since Prime Minister Theresa May filed formal divorce papers last week, with the EU draft position on negotiations saying the application of any EU-UK trade deal to Gibraltar had be agreed between Spain and Britain.

 

"Illegal incursion into British Gibraltar Territorial Waters by Spanish Navy patrol ship Infanta Cristina this afternoon," the government of Gibraltar said on Twitter, alongside a video of the ship.

 

On Monday, May's spokesman played down comments by a former leader of her Conservative party, Michael Howard, that she would be prepared to go to war to defend the territory.

 

(Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; editing by Michael Holden)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-04-05

[cooked]

Falklands scenario anyone? The UK navy is sadly diminished but the Spanish navy is tiny. Wrong time to do this, Brexiteers will be chortling.

[daveAustin]

Send in the fleet, chaps. Don't need that. A couple of frigates and Vanguard nuke sub popping its periscope about the Med would worry the funny Spaniards, who, incidentally, signed over The Rock centuries ago. Get over it, Spain!

[englishinsiam]

The Eu have put Spain up to this the timing is perfect for a PR stunt and that's all this is.

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[robertson468]

I wish someone would tell Reuters that when the British Union FLAG is flown from a flag pole it is 'THE UNION FLAG.  It only becomes a Union Jack when it is flown off the stern of one of Her Majesty's Royal Navy Ships!  I am inclined to agree that this is a stunt by the Spanish to distract people from other issues on Brexit.  Keep calm team and crack on with the other stuff.  Gibraltar will never, ever be ceded to Spain and the EU do not have the authority to overturn the Agreement of Utrecht.  Spain might like to return a couple of Island to Morocco that they stole!

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, cooked said:

Falklands scenario anyone? The UK navy is sadly diminished but the Spanish navy is tiny. Wrong time to do this, Brexiteers will be chortling.

I would imagine that viagra sales around Nana will plummet this week as our Brexit loving expats find renewed stamina and vigour through the double boost of 'regaining soveriegnty' and the flexing of our military might.

[jesimps]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I would imagine that viagra sales around Nana will plummet this week as our Brexit loving expats find renewed stamina and vigour through the double boost of 'regaining soveriegnty' and the flexing of our military might.

We had a guy like you in WW2, he was nicknamed Lord Haw Haw.

 

[Khun Han]

Hmmm.....Spain asks Britain to keep a cool head over Gibraltar because of the remarks of a doddering old peer, then immediately sends a ship of war into Gibraltan waters. One country is getting over-excited here, and it aint the UK.

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, jesimps said:

We had a guy like you in WW2, he was nicknamed Lord Haw Haw.

 

Are you Irish or American?

So now, in the space of a week, Brexit has taken us from the Falklands conflict to WWII - how long till we get to King John?

 

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I would imagine that viagra sales around Nana will plummet this week as our Brexit loving expats find renewed stamina and vigour through the double boost of 'regaining soveriegnty' and the flexing of our military might.

 

In what way has the UK flexed it's military might over this? Only Spain has done anything in this respect.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

In what way has the UK flexed it's military might over this? Only Spain has done anything in this respect.

Well one esteemed Tory peer has rattled his rusty, limp sabre sufficiently that our newspapers are suddenly full of the spirit of '82. Do you think that he did this without prompting from on high?

 

[Khun Han]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Well one esteemed Tory peer has rattled his rusty, limp sabre sufficiently that our newspapers are suddenly full of the spirit of '82. Do you think that he did this without prompting from on high?

 

 

"Do you think that he did this without prompting from on high?"

 

Yes. And so did Lord Heseltine and Lord Major when they made their  very public comments on a vaguely related issue recently .

[partington]

Watch out, Dad's Army is back!

[IAMHERE]

So if Spain wanted their rock back, how would they go about it?  Also, this is a very small land area, how many square miles of sea is consider Britains'?

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

"Do you think that he did this without prompting from on high?"

 

Yes. And so did Lord Heseltine and Lord Major when they made their  very public comments on a vaguely related issue recently .

So you don't think he was instructed to raise a predictable storm in a tea-cup so that the real news would be buried to the inside pages?

 

Poor Families To Lose Up To £7,000 A Year Under Tory Welfare Cuts, New Figures Show

"As the first working day of the financial year began on Monday, one analysis found the Government was delivering a £1bn tax-and-benefit “giveaway” to better off Britons, while the poorest third were left worse off."

[Gulfsailor]

The options for the UK are:

1) Keep Gibraltar. This means it will be out of the EU as well. Free movement of people and goods will stop. In 3 years there will be a referendum on Gibraltar and 96% will vote to secede and join Spain. UK then has to accept this or go to war with Spain, Germany and France over this rock. Not gonna happen. 

2) They share ownership with Spain and Gibraltar and can stay within the single EU marketplace. Everyone happy. 

 

UK can shout and boast all they want, but they will go with option 2. 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Gulfsailor

[vogie]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I would imagine that viagra sales around Nana will plummet this week as our Brexit loving expats find renewed stamina and vigour through the double boost of 'regaining soveriegnty' and the flexing of our military might.

Don't worry battered Mars bars are still selling in the Salty Sturgeon.

[Khun Han]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

So you don't think he was instructed to raise a predictable storm in a tea-cup so that the real news would be buried to the inside pages?

 

Poor Families To Lose Up To £7,000 A Year Under Tory Welfare Cuts, New Figures Show

"As the first working day of the financial year began on Monday, one analysis found the Government was delivering a £1bn tax-and-benefit “giveaway” to better off Britons, while the poorest third were left worse off."

 

No, I don't. But I do think you are fantasizing about it.

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, robertson468 said:

I wish someone would tell Reuters that when the British Union FLAG is flown from a flag pole it is 'THE UNION FLAG.  It only becomes a Union Jack when it is flown off the stern of one of Her Majesty's Royal Navy Ships!  I am inclined to agree that this is a stunt by the Spanish to distract people from other issues on Brexit.  Keep calm team and crack on with the other stuff.  Gibraltar will never, ever be ceded to Spain and the EU do not have the authority to overturn the Agreement of Utrecht.  Spain might like to return a couple of Island to Morocco that they stole!

The Union Jack is never flown from the stern of the Royal Navy ships ! 

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, englishinsiam said:

The Eu have put Spain up to this the timing is perfect for a PR stunt and that's all this is.

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If you check you'll see these little incursions are a regular habit of the Spanish navy. They seem to suffer the same difficulty in navigating that their trawlers experience when also regularly trespassing in British and Irish waters.

[beautifulthailand99]

Edited April 5, 2017 by beautifulthailand99

[billd766]

The information is totally incorrect. The Union flag is the Union flag whether it is hoisted up a flagpole or not. When worn by a ship of the Grey Funnel line it is either at the Jack staff which is right at the pointed end of a ship and then. and only then, it is correct to call it the Union Jack. Most refer to it simply as the Jack.The Union Jack being worn signifies that the ship is moored, at anchor or is berthed alongside i.e. not under way. The White Ensign is normally worn at the blunt end of the ship unless under way when it is usually worn at the gaff, a spar on the mainmast. The Union flag worn at the yardarm or masthead signifies that there is an Admiral of the Fleet on board. 
 

I believe that other Navies follow this practice. 

 

From an ex crabfat who still keeps in touch with fish head, grunt and crab mates.

[billd766]

17 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If you check you'll see these little incursions are a regular habit of the Spanish navy. They seem to suffer the same difficulty in navigating that their trawlers experience when also regularly trespassing in British and Irish waters.

 

They used to do that back in 1967/68 when I was there. The Spanish Navy used to anchor off Algeciras just in Spanish waters on the centre line of Gibraltars only runway and pump out evil black smoke to annoy the Brits and Gibralterries. The Spanish government were a whining bunch of tossers back then and haven't changed much over the years.

[Basil B]

We all make mistakes...

 

Quote

An attempt to show off their prowess at dawn assaults went badly wrong for a unit of heavily armed British Royal Marines at the weekend when they accidentally invaded the wrong country.

The platoon of some 30 marines stormed from a landing craft on to the San Felipe beach in the Spanish town of La Linea, carrying 60mm mortars and SA80 assault rifles, and took up defensive positions on the sand.

Instead of being fired on with blank rounds by fellow British soldiers pretending to be the enemy, the marines found themselves being stared at by startled local fishermen.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/19/gibraltar.world

[Khun Han]

28 minutes ago, Basil B said:

We all make mistakes...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/19/gibraltar.world

 

 

Probably meant to land on the beach that straddles the border that the smugglers were using when we were last there about a dozen years ago.

[Lokie]

20 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So you don't think he was instructed to raise a predictable storm in a tea-cup so that the real news would be buried to the inside pages?

 

Poor Families To Lose Up To £7,000 A Year Under Tory Welfare Cuts, New Figures Show

"As the first working day of the financial year began on Monday, one analysis found the Government was delivering a £1bn tax-and-benefit “giveaway” to better off Britons, while the poorest third were left worse off."

According to Panorama's research shown last night in UK, average unemployed 'poor family' was pulling in £20K just on combined benefits - more than working poor families, under the new welfare cap housing benefit is paid differently, most of the unemployed families were around £70 per week worse off but to avoid this cap they only have to work 16 hours a week, oh, what? you must be joking - I have kids to look after, I have a bad back etc etc - it's not fair... (these people had not worked in like 10-20 years? Yet all seemed to have large screen TVs, smoked, had Sky etc...

 

No sympathy, SCROUNGERS!

 

Now, the poor families who are working and trying to make ends meet I would afford everything that can be done to assist them...

 

As for Spain, they get same as the other spanish speaking usurpers down south, Gib is British Sovereign land - so Hasta La Vista Amigo!!

[Basil B]

4 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

 

Probably meant to land on the beach that straddles the border that the smugglers were using when we were last there about a dozen years ago.

It was about 20 years ago when I was working out in Gib and billeted in La Linea, as I recall they (the smugglers) were using a beach which I think is now a harbour in La Linea.

[JAG]

Spain took possession of Gibraltar from the Moors in 1462. It was ceded in 1713.

Britain has owned it longer than Spain!

[Tarteso]

Spain took possession of Gibraltar from the Moors in 1462. It was ceded in 1713.

Britain has owned it longer than Spain!

Let me qualify: Spain did not take possession of Gibraltar in 1462.
Spain "reconquest his possession (Gibraltar), in 1462.

[Khun Han]

3 hours ago, Tarteso said:

Let me qualify: Spain did not take possession of Gibraltar in 1462.
Spain "reconquest his possession (Gibraltar), in 1462.

 

When did Spain 'reconquest his possessions' Ceuta and Melilla?