Pattaya woman in iPhone 7 "finders keepers" case intends to fight charges of theft

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Pattaya woman in iPhone 7 "finders keepers" case intends to fight charges of theft

 

Picture: Daily News

 

PATTAYA: -- The Pattaya woman at the center of the most talked about case of recent weeks intends to fight and hire a lawyer.

 

Saifon Moonjan found an iPhone 7 in a convenience store in Soi Bua Khao last week. She managed to contact the owner Neungrithai Naka, 34, but rather than return her property she demanded 5,000 baht, reported Daily News.

 

When the phone's owner said she would only pay 1,000 baht Saifon refused to return it saying it was worth a lot more than that.

 

She would not accept that she had done anything wrong at all.

 

Subsequently the owner of the phone, who is three months pregnant, pressed charges and Pattaya police charged Saifon with theft.

 

She was bailed at court by a relative.

 

Now police have said that Saifon intends to fight the case all the way. And Daily News reported that she is prepared to hire a lawyer to fight her corner.

 

Police said that the case is likely to take several weeks to resolve as they get information about Saifon's background for the prosecutor.

 

Source: Daily News

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-04-11

[Rhys]

So.... who has the phone?

 

 

Edited April 10, 2017 by Rhys

[jerojero]

What an idiot. Just give the phone back to the rightful owner. Sheesh!

[docshock13]

56 minutes ago, Rhys said:

So.... who has the phone?

 

 

Likely in the pawn shop already. 

[colinneil]

There are some stupid people in the world, this woman is 1 of the most stupid.

[pitrevie]

Well hiring a lawyer is a positive step he should be able to explain the law to her but then again maybe not.

[rkidlad]

Wow! She's taken pride and face to another level. I may have dated this girl before. Certainly someone similar. 

 

I hope she has to pay the owner of the phone 5,000 Baht compensation. A lesson to all about simply doing the right thing in life. 

[dhind1]

I have to agree, the correct thing is to return the phone. May she lose her own phone soon so she understands......

[franklnooner]

One of pattays best. ****

Money is always number one in Thailand.

Things going down hill at a fast pace.

Hope it cost her alot of money.

[williamgeorgeallen]

a good deed should be its own reward. she should have taken the 1000thb. strange how she can twist her mind to think she is in the right. hope we hear the outcome of this case. probably not, follow up journalism does not seem to be considered important in thailand.

[6thST]

14 minutes ago, franklnooner said:

One of pattays best. ****

Money is always number one in Thailand.

Things going down hill at a fast pace.

Hope it cost her alot of money.

Her attorney should cost her more then 5000 Baht.

[Sphere]

She might even win the case if she gets a jury of her peers. 

[Maejo Man]

She "found" the phone on the counter, and the natural thing for any honest person to do was to hand it back to the staff of the 7-11, but there again it is Pattaya and the baht rules supreme!

[Mickmouse1]

1- The phone was found in a shop.

2- The phone should have been handed to the shop keeper immediately. 

3- That woman has indeed stolen the phone as she has intent to blackmail for Ransom and that is exactly what she did.

4- She will end up losing a lot more than what she bargained for. 55555

GREEDY?B

[rkidlad]

31 minutes ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

a good deed should be its own reward. she should have taken the 1000thb. strange how she can twist her mind to think she is in the right. hope we hear the outcome of this case. probably not, follow up journalism does not seem to be considered important in thailand.

Trying to get into her mindset is a scary place. If I had to guess, once she found the phone she thought it was hers by 'finders keepers' rights. She thought it'd be a win-win situation. Contact owner and get 5,000 baht. Or, if the owner (hopefully) refuses to pay, she gets to keep the iPhone. They're the bad people not her. 

 

She should have just given the phone to the Seven staff, but she chose to go off on a mission to make money. Now she will be losing money and face. I'm not sure which one is more important to her. Sad thing is no matter what the outcome she will have it in her head that she was right. Try explaining it to her and she will put her fingers in her ears and sing, and then inevitably turn aggressive/violent. Any other action than admitting she's wrong. 

[SpeakeasyThai]

Would fall off my chair if the owner of the iphone was a monk. Clearly this 'lady' is a piece of work. Good luck with the court case. Hope she ends up in the monkey house.

Edited April 11, 2017 by SpeakeasyThai

[Headgame]

I will save her some legal fees notwithstanding the common sense answers provided by my fellow BM's.

 

Not sure about TH but there is a concept of finders - keepers. You can legally find something and keep it under specific circumstances. However you can't find something in a private establishment and keep it. A 7-Eleven store is not a public place (although open to the public). Therefore, you can't find something in a 7-Eleven and keep it. IOW, it is a case of theft.

Case closed.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Headgame

[AlQaholic]

In Thailand the law is not so Black and White as some are suggesting, one have to take into account following matters:

 

1. Does the defendant have a sick water buffalo at the family farm or not?

2. How many relatives to the defendant rely on her income?

3. A background check of the accuser may very well reveal unexpected wealth, in which case she could very well easily afford to pay the 5,000 Baht, as well as some side donations to various police departments and justice functionalities. 

4. The defendant may very well have an uncle in the military or police, in which case the whole thing becomes a nogo......

 

Justice by banana........

And who wants a crappy I-phone anyways? better to buy a new real phone......any Android will do.....

Edited April 11, 2017 by AlQaholic

[stravers]

36 minutes ago, 6thST said:

Her attorney should cost her more then 5000 Baht.

Maybe they've set up a happy ending payment plan.

[daveAustin]

Quote

 

She would not accept that she had done anything wrong at all.

 

Now police have said that Saifon intends to fight the case all the way. And Daily News reported that she is prepared to hire a lawyer to fight her corner.

 

This is what happens when you combine face and stupidity.

 

If she'd have found it on the street, it is finders keepers, not in a commercial place which the owner just frequented. The court will shred her... maybe.

 

Sorry, duck, but you is a brain-dead skank thief.

[bino]

In civilized parts of the world there are laws pertining to "theft by finding".

 

If you find something in a public place, it must be handed in to the police, and if it remains unclaimed after a period of time, then you can collect and keep it.

 

Unfortunately, that wouldn't work in Thailand because the cops would steal it and keep it.

[gk10002000]

3 hours ago, docshock13 said:

Likely in the pawn shop already. 

Yep.  evidence kind of gone, otherwise she would pay the 1K baht, return the phone, and get on with things

[gk10002000]

the one thing about this situation is it shows how some people rationalize things.  As many of you know, some things just don't translate well, and the famous Thai T shirt "same same but different" really applies to Thailand.  The Thai mentality really is different sometimes. A combination of need, no control or vote or say in their lives, being under constant coups, afraid to speak their mind, etc.  All those things manifest in situations like this.  For a supposed buddhist to not return the phone and get a small reward is just wrong.

[IamNoone88]

Summarised in two words : Personality disorder.

[Dexlowe]

33 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Trying to get into her mindset is a scary place. If I had to guess, once she found the phone she thought it was hers by 'finders keepers' rights. She thought it'd be a win-win situation. Contact owner and get 5,000 baht. Or, if the owner (hopefully) refuses to pay, she gets to keep the iPhone. They're the bad people not her. 

 

She should have just given the phone to the Seven staff, but she chose to go off on a mission to make money. Now she will be losing money and face. I'm not sure which one is more important to her. Sad thing is no matter what the outcome she will have it in her head that she was right. Try explaining it to her and she will put her fingers in her ears and sing, and then inevitably turn aggressive/violent. Any other action than admitting she's wrong. 

The rose-colored set won't like your comment, but the sad fact is that you are oh so right. Even sadder, this childish attitude extends to the vast majority. Before I retired, I dealt with this on an almost daily basis in my office and out on the street.

 

It's clearly "face" with her now. She can't back down.

[LotusBoy]

3 hours ago, docshock13 said:

Likely in the pawn shop already. 

Its Pattaya and judging by the photo its properly in a porn shop 

 

She should change her name from Saifon to Sellfon or Stealfon..............

Edited April 11, 2017 by LotusBoy

[jimstar1]

1 ; Who Wants a I Phone  Keep It

2 ; oh not really a 2 is there just usual Thai Smile this is how we do it

3 ;  

[kiwikeith]

3 hours ago, jerojero said:

What an idiot. Just give the phone back to the rightful owner. Sheesh!

 

Maybe the Police could make her a driving instructor she has the right mentality for the job.

[ToddinChonburi]

       No words for this one.

[LoongJohn]

Among the Five Precepts, there is  an undertaking 'not to take that which is not freely given'. Perhaps she's never heard of it...