1 or 2 Day Overstay?

[kurtmartens]

Okay.  I know this has all more than likely been covered before, but ...

 

We are getting ready to go to Laos to apply/get a 1 Year "O" visa based on marriage.  However, I will end up having 2 days overstay on my current "visa on arrival".  Any issues?

 

Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

I assume you have a 30 day visa exempt entry not a 15 day visa arrival you paid for after doing an application for it.

Normally not a problem to have a 1 or 2 day overstay. The fine is 500 baht per day.

You could get a 30 day extension of your visa exempt entry for a fee of 1900 baht. Or you could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife for a fee of 1900 baht. 

[kurtmartens]

Hey Joe.

 

Yeah was a 30 visa exempt (US passport) and then a 30 day extension at the Chiang Mai office in the mall up here - which they refused to do a 60 day extension and only gave a 30 day one.  And I wasn't in the mood to argue, no point really.

 

We called Friday and they said only 1 extension is allowed.  

 

Have done the "O" visa before, so know the drill.  My wife - not me - was worried about a overstay though.

 

Cheers.

[lopburi3]

Even with the one extension only if you apply for an extension believe they will allow 7 days to exit as is the normal case of a non-approval.  That would avoid overstay and not cost much more.

[TerryLH]

Wasn't Laos denying entry via air for persons with overstays?

Were they also doing that at land borders?

[kurtmartens]

1 minute ago, TerryLH said:

Wasn't Laos denying entry via air for persons with overstays?

Were they also doing that at land borders?

Laos Immigration was denying entry for folks with a Thai overstay?

[ubonjoe]

25 minutes ago, TerryLH said:

Wasn't Laos denying entry via air for persons with overstays?

Were they also doing that at land borders?

That was some time ago and it was only by air and only for long overstays.

[ubonjoe]

26 minutes ago, kurtmartens said:

Laos Immigration was denying entry for folks with a Thai overstay?

Never at a border crossings and  by air it was only at Vientiane for long overstays.

[howard ashoul]

First day is free. Since second day you are paying 500 baht per day (including first day).  Maximum is 20 000 Baht fine.

 

Overstaying more than 90 days = banned for some time from Thailand.

 

Overstaying isn't a big deal (if only a few days). They even have a dedicated window to pay overstay fine at every border. It is so common.

[merijn]

12 hours ago, howard ashoul said:

First day is free. Since second day you are paying 500 baht per day (including first day).  Maximum is 20 000 Baht fine.

 

Overstaying more than 90 days = banned for some time from Thailand.

 

Overstaying isn't a big deal (if only a few days). They even have a dedicated window to pay overstay fine at every border. It is so common.

Overstay is a big deal and getting worse by the year.

Even a few days sounds innocent it is still a offence and can cause problems if caught on the street by police etc. 

Some countries (USA for example) will create a lot of problems if you have a overstay stamp in your passport and you are traveling to the USA.

After your 30 days extension you can get a extra 7 days (max) as long you can prove that you need the extra days by showing a airline ticket.

(i have to admit that some immigration offices are reluctant to provide the 7 days extension)

Basically overstaying should be avoided at all cost.

[ubonjoe]

12 hours ago, howard ashoul said:

First day is free. Since second day you are paying 500 baht per day (including first day).

That is only correct when leaving from either airport in Bangkok. At border crossings and other airports it will be a 500 baht fine for the first day.

[PJPom]

I can personally vouch that Krabi hits you for 500  baht for six hours.

[BEVUP]

On 4/30/2017 at 10:57 AM, kurtmartens said:

Hey Joe.

 

Yeah was a 30 visa exempt (US passport) and then a 30 day extension at the Chiang Mai office in the mall up here - which they refused to do a 60 day extension and only gave a 30 day one.  And I wasn't in the mood to argue, no point really.

 

We called Friday and they said only 1 extension is allowed.  

 

Have done the "O" visa before, so know the drill.  My wife - not me - was worried about a overstay though.

 

Cheers.

That's not right were they say only one extension per entry 

I have just done that process in korat 

Visa exempt then 30 day TV extension then 60 day Extension for visiting wife then will go to Loa mid June

[kurtmartens]

1 hour ago, BEVUP said:

That's not right were they say only one extension per entry 

I have just done that process in korat 

Visa exempt then 30 day TV extension then 60 day Extension for visiting wife then will go to Loa mid June

Yeah well.  No point in arguing with Immigration, won't really get me anywhere.

[Suradit69]

7 hours ago, merijn said:

After your 30 days extension you can get a extra 7 days (max) as long you can prove that you need the extra days by showing a airline ticket.

The 7 days isn't an extension per se. You apply for an extension, the application is denied and you're given 7 days to leave the country. Needing the extra days isn't really a factor.

[Suradit69]

7 minutes ago, kurtmartens said:

Visa exempt then 30 day TV extension

If you're in the country on a visa exempt entry, you're not getting a (TV) tourist visa extension since you wouldn't have a tourist visa ( a visa exempt entry, as the name implies, means you were granted entry without any visa) and. in any event, visas are never extended. The extension would be an extension of your permission to stay.

[Get Real]

Just another person that planned a little bit bad. How many do we have per year?

Can Thai Visa make a poll about that?

[kurtmartens]

10 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Just another person that planned a little bit bad. How many do we have per year?

Can Thai Visa make a poll about that?

LOL - I don't think 1 day overstay really counts.  Considering for the past 5 years I have managed just fine without 1 overstay.  1 or 2 or 3 day overstays aren't really the issue ... compared to the folks who stay for years without a visa.

 

But hey.  Thanks for the input!

[merijn]

7 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

The 7 days isn't an extension per se. You apply for an extension, the application is denied and you're given 7 days to leave the country. Needing the extra days isn't really a factor.

YesYesYes your are technically correct of course but most people called at a extension. You also use the TM7 (application for extension...) form.

And get the normal extension stamp in your passport.

Most immigration offices (Phuket for curtain) will require a proof of the need for the extra days.

[wrazoru]

Just curiously, is the 1 day free overstay still in place when leaving from either of the BANGKOK airports? 

Many Thanks for any replies... 

[Maestro]

Yes, it is. It gets recorded as an overstay, but no fine is levied.

[jeab1980]

Would worry to much about 2 days overstay not the end of the world. I suspect a 500bht fine for one day and the customary frown from IO. 

 

[Upnotover]

Would worry to much about 2 days overstay not the end of the world. I suspect a 500bht fine for one day and the customary frown from IO. 
 

2 days over will get you 2 days fine, i e., 1000thb. I just went out 2 days over through BKK. Not even a hint of a frown from the IO, I think he was glad to have something slightly different to deal with.

[sanemax]

Anyone knows what would happen if you got caught on a few days overstay ?

[merijn]

25 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Anyone knows what would happen if you got caught on a few days overstay ?

If you are stopped by the police on the street you will be arrested (unless you can make a arrangement!! ) for overstay and brought to court.

You don't want to do this.

 

[BritTim]

8 hours ago, sanemax said:

Anyone knows what would happen if you got caught on a few days overstay ?

It is completely unpredictable, being up to the police who caught you. The overstay tends to be discovered when you are stopped for other reasons. There have been cases where people caught with long overstays have been sternly advised to get it resolved, and left at that. In some cases, your nationality and how you are dressed can be factors. If thinking of risking it, don't!

[jeab1980]

37 minutes ago, BritTim said:

It is completely unpredictable, being up to the police who caught you. The overstay tends to be discovered when you are stopped for other reasons. There have been cases where people caught with long overstays have been sternly advised to get it resolved, and left at that. In some cases, your nationality and how you are dressed can be factors. If thinking of risking it, don't!

Oh come on please not again how your dressed has sod all to do with anything. Its been discussed a thousand times and no doubt will be again.

The only place if your stopped they will ask for your passport is close to the border crossings themselfs and then only if its army or actual immigration police in attendance. I went to Nong Khai last week as you turn of the Highway to continue on highway2 to the border theres always a police stop there. They pulled me asked for driving licence. Asked where i was going told them need another 90 days in passport. Never asked to look at passport and smiled sent me on my way. Mukdahan never yet seen a police block.

[PunkRockerGuy]

On 5/1/2017 at 4:05 PM, kurtmartens said:

Yeah well.  No point in arguing with Immigration, won't really get me anywhere.

It's quite straightforward.  Every day you overstay is 500 baht/day.  As long is it is only for 1-4 or a few days and you did not purposely try to overstay, they just ask you to sign 3 places that depending upon the Immigration Office, states you did it accidentally,  etc., and the local office gets to pocket the fine money.  It has happened to me 2x when I miscalculated the 90-days vs. 3-months time period to make sure my "Retirement Visa" bankbook has at least 800,000 baht in it.  They now go by 3-months (i.e., if you put money into your bank account to ensure 800,000 baht for renewal of Retirement Visa on 02 March, they calculate your renewal date valid beginning 02 June, etc.) and not 90 consecutive days.  If you are on decent terms with your Immigration Office, they classify it as a clerical error and you sign your name when you hand over the fine.  No big deal.  I believe I have overstayed by accident or emergency 3x in 16-years and my record is in good standing with the MOI. 

 

You might ask me why I don't keep 800K year round in the account .... well, with the prevailing interest rates, I like to make that money work for me either in US stocks, cryptocurrency swing trades, or invested into capital in one of my companies.  So, I had previously counted 90-days backward from my Visa renewal date, but when getting close to renewal time, I went into ask a few questions and they told me, whooops .... add 2,3 more days due to the 3-month timing.  So, no harm, no foul.  And, as mentioned before, if you go over 90-days, you are banned from the Kingdom for 1-year.  If arrested and charged, 3-years, I believe.  As you can imagine, everything higher than 90-days, it gets increasingly worse.    

 

Don't fret over a couple of days if you've talked to your local office and cleared the overstay with them. 

[PunkRockerGuy]

On 8/17/2017 at 7:42 AM, jeab1980 said:

Oh come on please not again how your dressed has sod all to do with anything. Its been discussed a thousand times and no doubt will be again.

The only place if your stopped they will ask for your passport is close to the border crossings themselfs and then only if its army or actual immigration police in attendance. I went to Nong Khai last week as you turn of the Highway to continue on highway2 to the border theres always a police stop there. They pulled me asked for driving licence. Asked where i was going told them need another 90 days in passport. Never asked to look at passport and smiled sent me on my way. Mukdahan never yet seen a police block.

 

Quite true, for the most part.  Again, I have ZERO experience with border runs or tourist visas in most of Asia as I have business in a few countries, but when my wife called our local Immigration office the Captain clearly stated a few days to a week of overstay for Japanese, Americans, British, etc., was NO PROBLEM, BUT, had I been of Indian, SE Asian, African, et al. persuasion, she said they do indeed take those overstays seriously.  We are, unfortunately, still living in a racist and prejudiced world.  And, I'm a white guy, but Immigration knows my education background and degrees, my jobs within the Thai government, and I admit, I am unfairly privileged.  I have some African friends from Rwanda who also have Doctoral degrees, but they had a hefty amount of difficulty with Thai Immigration and Institutions who were supposed to help them extend their visas since they worked for said educational institutions.  Sad, but true. 

[PunkRockerGuy]

On 8/16/2017 at 10:56 PM, sanemax said:

Anyone knows what would happen if you got caught on a few days overstay ?

Nothing except a 500 baht/day fine, as long as you have discussed this with your local Immigration office and they said "no problem".  I just did it with Lopburi for 3 days and they were happy for the bonus money :).

 

I signed documents that I made a miscalculation regarding money timeframe in the bank, etc., and it was recorded but no record of infraction to Bkk.