Pheu Thai opens fire at submarine deal

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Pheu Thai opens fire at submarine deal
By The Nation

 

 

BANGKOK: -- Key figures from the Pheu Thai Party have voiced their opposition against the Cabinet’s approval of the Chinese submarine purchase, saying they saw a potential burden that the multi-billion-baht deal would leave for future governments.

 

Pheu Thai’s acting secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai, former education minister Chaturon Chaisang and former energy minister Pichai Natipthaphan joined in opposition against the deal a couple of days after former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra expressed her own disagreement. 

 

Via Twitter, Chaturon said the procurement should be cancelled by the government to prevent future damage. 

 

While the Royal Thai Navy planned to hold a press briefing on the deal today, Chaturon said he viewed the matter as multidimensional, which should be thoroughly explained by the prime minister, defence minister, finance minister and officers from the Budget Bureau.

 

Phumtham said authorities should seriously reconsider the deal. “This is not political bias. Even supporters of this government do not agree with this procurement,” he said. “It’s as if the government wants to conceal the matter, which would be bound to the national budget for the next 11 years.”

 

Meanwhile, Pichai expressed doubts that the submarine deal could actually boost the economy as the junta government has claimed. “People could have believed that if they had enough money in their pockets now,” he said.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30313843

 

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[PatOngo]

Via Twitter, Chaturon said the (submarine) procurement should be cancelled by the government to prevent future damage.

 

Past, present, future........There's always swill in the trough!

[leeneeds]

I think there around 20 odd countries who do not have a military force,

being able to spend monies on health, education and infrastructure,

North Korea being at the other end of military spending,

 

How communication, continued dialogue and  respect for ones own borders and sovereignty with neighbors,

somehow gets twisted and abandoned  into being frivolous with wants and needs that make no sense 

as this deal with China is on the submarines.

 

Educated forward looking, conservative spending?

 

This current government has implemented some very good policies, 

then to  go and undermine all the positives with one very large 

Negative.

 

 

 

 

[wakeupplease]

5 minutes ago, leeneeds said:

I think there around 20 odd countries who do not have a military force,

being able to spend monies on health, education and infrastructure,

North Korea being at the other end of military spending,

 

How communication, continued dialogue and  respect for ones own borders and sovereignty with neighbors,

somehow gets twisted and abandoned  into being frivolous with wants and needs that make no sense 

as this deal with China is on the submarines.

 

Educated forward looking, conservative spending?

 

This current government has implemented some very good policies, 

then to  go and undermine all the positives with one very large 

Negative.

 

 

 

 

Apart from locking up everyone in jail who disagree with them and telling you who you can read and share on FB and cut the power of the much needed newspaper criticism, there seems to be a lot of neg and none of the other

[colinneil]

Pheu Thai have voiced their opposition to the submarine deal.

Why bother, nobody is listening.

The boys want the subs, dont give a rats a..e what anybody says.

They are not concerned about the financial burden they are placing Thailand in.

 

[cornishcarlos]

Whilst I don't agree that buying Chinese subs is a great idea, what makes these Pheu Thai clowns think they should be dishing out spending advice !!

[wayned]

Their afraid that they will be used to look for the bodies of the Royingya Boat People that Abhisit ordered to be towed out to sea and set adrift with no power, food or water!  I don't think that there is a statute of limitations on genocide?

[Mosha]

Their afraid that they will be used to look for the bodies of the Royingya Boat People that Abhisit ordered to be towed out to sea and set adrift with no power, food or water!  I don't think that there is a statute of limitations on genocide?

Why should PTP be worried about the sub's finding something that was carried out under A Democrat PM?

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[Ricardo]

" Phumtham said authorities should seriously reconsider the deal. “This is not political bias. Even supporters of this government do not agree with this procurement,” he said. “It’s as if the government wants to conceal the matter, which would be bound to the national budget for the next 11 years.” "

 

That's just to buy them, then there will surely be the ongoing-cost of maintaining & operating & re-arming them, betond 11-years ? 

[Ricardo]

17 minutes ago, Mosha said:

Why should PTP be worried about the sub's finding something that was carried out under A Democrat PM?

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The practice of waving-off/towing-back-to-seas Rohingya migrants has been going on for decades, under several governments, so not just "under A Democrat PM" as you suggest.

[Wilsonandson]

Indonesia - 4 submarines
Vietnam - 6 submarines
Malaysia - 2 submarines
Singapore - 6 submarines
Thailand - orders 3 submarines

Why can't Thailand have submarines?

Current Military Strength Rankings

1 - Indonesia
2 - Thailand
3 - Vietnam
4 - Malaysia
5 - Singapore

[Mosha]

 
The practice of waving-off/towing-back-to-seas Rohingya migrants has been going on for decades, under several governments, so not just "under A Democrat PM" as you suggest.

I know but he mentioned Abhisit.

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[worgeordie]

They wont sink the deal, there's money to be made.

regards worgeordie

[ksamuiguy]

Where is the enemy?  Everyone must have an enemy to justify toys for the military. Social issues are more pressing, education for example.

 

[jesimps]

3 hours ago, leeneeds said:

I think there around 20 odd countries who do not have a military force,

being able to spend monies on health, education and infrastructure,

North Korea being at the other end of military spending,

 

How communication, continued dialogue and  respect for ones own borders and sovereignty with neighbors,

somehow gets twisted and abandoned  into being frivolous with wants and needs that make no sense 

as this deal with China is on the submarines.

 

Educated forward looking, conservative spending?

 

This current government has implemented some very good policies, 

then to  go and undermine all the positives with one very large 

Negative.

 

 

 

 

Name one positive with regards to this govt. Lottery tickets? Beach umbrellas?

 

 

[jesimps]

2 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

Whilst I don't agree that buying Chinese subs is a great idea, what makes these Pheu Thai clowns think they should be dishing out spending advice !!

Maybe not such clowns after all. They seem to be in complete agreement with you that buying Chinese subs is not a great idea.

 

 

[GBK]

1 hour ago, Wilsonandson said:

Why can't Thailand have submarines?
 

 

No water deep enough to operate them in.

 

In a conflict, they'd be on the bottom in a heartbeat because they'll be visible from the air for hours before they could dive - this assumes they magically pull a competent sub driver out of a hat.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Name one positive with regards to this govt. Lottery tickets? Beach umbrellas?

 

 

Anti corruption court that seem to be doing a fine job. (could mention more but you asked one), can only hope they will add more of those courts.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Maybe not such clowns after all. They seem to be in complete agreement with you that buying Chinese subs is not a great idea.

 

 

Even a broken clock is right twice a day..  comes to mind.

[JAG]

" Phumtham said authorities should seriously reconsider the deal. “This is not political bias. Even supporters of this government do not agree with this procurement,” he said. “It’s as if the government wants to conceal the matter, which would be bound to the national budget for the next 11 years.” "
 
That's just to buy them, then there will surely be the ongoing-cost of maintaining & operating & re-arming them, betond 11-years ? 

11 years? I'll be surprised if they still work after 11 months.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, JAG said:

11 years? I'll be surprised if they still work after 11 months.

 

Come on they will make a good tourist attraction.. just like the aircraft carrier. 

[AhFarangJa]

35 minutes ago, ksamuiguy said:

Where is the enemy?  Everyone must have an enemy to justify toys for the military. Social issues are more pressing, education for example.

 

The people at the top do not want education. Keep the people ignorant, they do not ask questions, and it is easier to continue the rapacious gorging from the trough.

[AGareth2]

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Come on they will make a good tourist attraction.. just like the aircraft carrier. 

Don't forget Children's day

[geriatrickid]

2 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

Whilst I don't agree that buying Chinese subs is a great idea, what makes these Pheu Thai clowns think they should be dishing out spending advice !!

Whether  you like it or not, the Pheu Thai still represents the views of millions of Thais.

 

[geriatrickid]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Come on they will make a good tourist attraction.. just like the aircraft carrier. 

The helicopter carrier does not  draw too many tourists. A large part of the tourist market is  not allowed to  visit military bases anyway as Thailand excludes all  "foreigners" from visiting.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

Don't forget Children's day

Indeed.. its a really wise investment.. nice toys for Children's days. 

[mtls2005]

People representing one of the largest segments of the population voicing their opinions. 

 

OMG, what's this country coming to?

 

Time for the yellow and orange hoards to mobilize.

[robblok]

Just now, geriatrickid said:

The helicopter carrier does not  draw too many tourists. A large part of the tourist market is  not allowed to  visit military bases anyway as Thailand excludes all  "foreigners" from visiting.

Put your sarcasm alert on.. and there is a lot of domestic tourism. 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Whether  you like it or not, the Pheu Thai still represents the views of millions of Thais.

 

Your right they do.. but for them to give spending advice after running a 500 billion off book scheme... sounds a bit hypocritical. 

[hansnl]

3 hours ago, wakeupplease said:

Apart from locking up everyone in jail who disagree with them and telling you who you can read and share on FB and cut the power of the much needed newspaper criticism, there seems to be a lot of neg and none of the other

Please explain how many are in prison?

Newspaper critics, so called independent journalists are a thing op the past, worldwide.

Most, if not all, just repeat the news feeds from Reuters cs.

While most news is then presented as 3-minute infotainment flashes, or less.

Although I really wonder if Chinese subs can do some good for the Thai military, as China is in fact the problem in Asia, I think The Thaksin Club should find something else to nag about, or even better contemplate what went wrong during their governmental periods.

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by hansnl