Bluespunk Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Never forget rule number 1 Thou shalt not have, nor voice, nor like an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, irwinfc said: just block facebook and be done with it. that would be an even greater service to those living in thailand. While I loath fb and it's insidious exploitation of it's users, I cannot agree with your solution. People have the right to be banal and, yes, even obnoxious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamBeast Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, WhizBang said: If I was in charge of FB, I would immediately close down all FB offices in Thailand and assist any employees who wished to leave. Then I would tell the junta to go <deleted> themselves. That would put the whole thing in the junta's court. So whatever were to happen next, the junta would have to take full responsibility. They could try pulling the plug on FB, but that would likely result in a backlash they couldn't deal with. It could be enough to topple them, which is why they wouldn't dare. So it would really just show them to be a toothless tiger. Closing Facebook would definitely benefit the community and help anyone. It would get rid of phone addiction, attention whoring, and help preserve people's intelligence. However, cutting out the addiction cold turkey would cause uproar - on the same principle, while we all agree that completely stopping the sale of tobacco is the right solution for the future, it will cause uproar - it's the same for Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 4 hours ago, wow64 said: The VPN is encrypted let me know they get around this even if it's going through a single gateway? If it's anything like China, using a vpn is a constant game of cat and mouse. Most vpns won't work or will get shut down immediately. A few will work, usually more expensive ones. For example, VyprVPN has to be used in Chameleon mode when in China. Standard use usually gets shut down fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 44 minutes ago, SiamBeast said: I solved the problem long ago by not having a Facebook. Except helping me better waste my time and allow them to follow me, and perhaps attention-whoring for likes, I don't see how Facebook can be beneficial to me while I have Whatsapp and Line to talk to my loved ones via encrypted chat. The recent CIA hack shows Whatsapp the likes are vulnerable. They not only can access them, but they currently monitor them. All of them. No such thing as privacy these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, RigPig said: You do realise that using a VPN in Thailand is illegal? Only when used to view illegal content or conduct illegal activity. The use of a vpn by itself is not illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Funny how authorities around the world, still like to try and control the internet How futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamBeast Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, dcnx said: The recent CIA hack shows Whatsapp the likes are vulnerable. They not only can access them, but they currently monitor them. All of them. No such thing as privacy these days. In that case, your best bet would be the Signal app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, wow64 said: The VPN is encrypted let me know they get around this even if it's going through a single gateway? Difficult. Not impossible. I'm pretty sure the NSA and GCHQ and the like have the means to crack SSL. Then there is the metadata in the various layers of the OSI implementation which means you don't necessarily have to crack the SSL encapsulation to glean information from the network packet. So yeah, one gateway would allow deep-packet inspection, but at what costs to the global reputation of the government? I like the saying, "What good is power if you can't wield it.", but on the other-hand, a relatively small, developing nation like Thailand is under the scrutiny of larger global players. If one of these larger global players one day decides that resources in Thailand would be more accessible under a different government, then these players would be looking for an excuse to justify 'regime change.' Usually those justifications come in the form of the target government being labelled 'undemocratic' or a 'dictatorship' which engages in the suppression of 'freedoms', such as censoring their Internet. I'm not saying that the larger global players don't engage in the same nonsense <they do>, but in the court of world opinion, the larger players control the communication channels. If those channels are blocked (censored), that could becomes the casus belli to promote instability in a nation that may ultimately lead to regime change. So regardless of what agenda the Thai government promotes, the leaders are no doubt acutely aware that they are only small fish in an ocean where sharks roam. So regardless of what they say their intent may be, their actions are limited by larger global interests. And on the day when hubris outstrips reason, logic, and risk mitigation - well, that's the day that things will get very interesting again. Edited May 13, 2017 by connda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bench499d Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, dcnx said: The recent CIA hack shows Whatsapp the likes are vulnerable. They not only can access them, but they currently monitor them. All of them. No such thing as privacy these days. WhatsApp now uses end to end encryption which means that only the sender and recipient can read the messages. So the CIA or whoever can't read the messages on the server. Of course, they could install malware on your device which could read the messages in plain text... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Bench499d said: WhatsApp now uses end to end encryption which means that only the sender and recipient can read the messages. So the CIA or whoever can't read the messages on the server. Of course, they could install malware on your device which could read the messages in plain text... End-to-end encryption is only as good as the weakest link in the system, and that weakest link may have nothing to do with the actual encryption being implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Really is amazing the new Thailand How far they have sunk and how fast And still going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William C F Pierce Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Why do they bother. Everyone knows it's the #1 fake news site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowny77 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I say to facebook. Ban Thailand from using your service. I think within a week there will be Anarchy and the government will topple because the people will finally grow some balls and do what they should have done in the first place. Which is to stand up and be heard, not addressed to every Friday night by a un-elected official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 14 hours ago, RigPig said: You do realise that using a VPN in Thailand is illegal? And they can tell if you are using one, they just can't see what you are doing... Yes it may be but speeding on the roads is also illegal. All they can see is something happening but do not know what and with so much more to watch will be brushed aside from what I have learned having spoken to their best they are light years behind and use bullS>>> to scare you into submission. This is how they get your pass words. Not one of the guys working in MDC would get a job with a top company outside that neck of the woods. If you know anything about the web look at any of the sites there and you know just how bad they are constructed and coded. When one of the guys started talking to me I had to smile and say you need to go back to school then lost him in java script and php even asking me what jquery was. one think I found was you log to the web on one IP address log off thenlog on again you get another address and its day in day out, hardly ever the same ip address. found that out by accident but its a fact But this is not the question, the question is why do they have to censor the web in this way with thousands of guys watching you live on line 24/7, the more you censor the more you must be guilty of something nasty. Other governments ignore it just censor racial hate, porn and scams. Next thing they will cut your access, but then trade and tourism will fail. What the hell are they so scared of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Go team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 The current Thai authorities, I won't use the word government can do whatever they want. The military took over and that is that. I am pretty sure the authorities are going to be monitoring other types of conversations besides Les Majeste related things. Political party discussions, elections, etc. going on 3 years since this military took over. What will the future bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 7 hours ago, chowny77 said: I say to facebook. Ban Thailand from using your service. I think within a week there will be Anarchy and the government will topple because the people will finally grow some balls and do what they should have done in the first place. Which is to stand up and be heard, not addressed to every Friday night by a un-elected official. I was going to say, the loss of democracy (or the quasi version of it that previously existed), the loss of quasi freedom of the press, the loss of freedom of expression, etc etc have all gone on without much major unheaval in society -- in part because the average Thai person probably wanted an end to the ongoing shootings and bombings and conflicts that had been occurring before. But trying taking away Facebook from Thai society either by the government or by Facebook itself because of perceived excessive local censorship, and that likely would provoke a reaction and protest like nothing else that's occurred in recent years. But I doubt it's going to come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 does anything symbolize thailand's current state better than this foolish computer law ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 us old farts call it facebook the young call it just ...''FACE''...if I accept a friend request from a younger woman ..,is ok to ask her if I can, ''come on her face''..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorristheRunt Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Let them block facebook, twatter or whatever, then the people will take to the streets in minutes and bring these idiots to their knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 VPNs in thailand are illegal ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) Never mind Facebook and buying submarines .You should be more concerned about saving lives,bus accidents,cars and motorbikes driving on the wrong side of the street to avoid U Turns.Enforcing strict measures like taking away their license,motorbikes, cars and using heavy fines. Transportation companies,taxi,bus ,trucking and limo's should be heavily fined and their companies closed down for not adhering to safety rules and keeping up with quality .Take a lesson from the western countries. Edited May 14, 2017 by riclag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, YetAnother said: VPNs in thailand are illegal ?? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 22 hours ago, dcnx said: Only when used to view illegal content or conduct illegal activity. The use of a vpn by itself is not illegal. Oh yes it is... in this country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 20 hours ago, Bench499d said: WhatsApp now uses end to end encryption which means that only the sender and recipient can read the messages. So the CIA or whoever can't read the messages on the server. Of course, they could install malware on your device which could read the messages in plain text... Yeah right oh nieve one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 JAP look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 There is only one country in the world that has the ability to take a "snapshot" of the entire internet, guess who..... What goes in must come out, encryption is built on algorythms, and can be undone the same way, we are not talking about the enigma machine here.... and they broke that, until they added another wheel, then they broke that! The resources available to them now is mind blowing, but generally they need to want to know. However, blocking VPN's, sites, IP addresses... through a single gateway, childs play, especially if you have the co-operation of the ISP's..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricku Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) On 5/13/2017 at 10:53 AM, RigPig said: You do realise that using a VPN in Thailand is illegal? And they can tell if you are using one, they just can't see what you are doing... On 5/14/2017 at 10:59 AM, YetAnother said: VPNs in thailand are illegal ?? On 5/14/2017 at 11:20 AM, RigPig said: yep On 5/14/2017 at 11:24 AM, RigPig said: Oh yes it is... in this country! No. As stated earlier in this thread, it is only illegal when used to hide your "illegal" web-browsing. VPN itself is not illegal. In Thailand, there are hundreds of thousands using VPN to watch porn and access websites that are blocked in Thailand, and many (esp expats) are just using it to access certain region locked services like Netflix. Edited May 15, 2017 by ricku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotsak Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) Deadline is today @ 10:00am. Let's see how it unfolds.. Edited May 16, 2017 by kotsak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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