Tabien baan or Thai house book for marriage

[Mucalinda]

I will be getting married to my Thai fiance next month.  Some of the information I am reading about the requirements/documents needed include the Tabien baan or Thai house book.  Supposedly, my fiance needs this??? 

 

We do not have one. We currently rent a house.

 

Does anyone know if we really NEED this? 

Thanks for your help 

 

[ubonjoe]

Moved to here.

Only a copy of the tabien ban  (house book) she is registered in is needed.

I would guess she is registered in a house book that is her parents or another family member which is very common.

[Mucalinda]

Thank You for moving this topic.  I will check with her and our landlords to see if she is registered in any book :-) 

Thank You for the info 

[happylarry]

Every Thai in the country is registered in a house book somewhere or they would not be able to get an I'd card or anything else. Your wife to be MUST know whose book she is registered in, but it certainly would not be your landlords....lol

HL

[drtreelove]

My wife's Thai friend was orphaned as an infant but grew up with adoptive family whose Tabien Baan she was on until last family member died and property was sold off.  She has a Thai ID and passport, but worrried about not having a current TB for renewals. Besides begging or buying her way on to someone's Tabien Baan, is there an alternative legal path for her to prove citizenship?

[melvinmelvin]

I do hope somebody knowledgable picks up on this thread.

 

One (of many) things i don't understand in Thailand is this need for Tabien Baan and the obsession all sorts

of authorities have for Tabien Baan.

 

[happylarry]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

I do hope somebody knowledgable picks up on this thread.

 

One (of many) things i don't understand in Thailand is this need for Tabien Baan and the obsession all sorts

of authorities have for Tabien Baan.

 

In England everybody has a national insurance number which is  needed whenever you need to do anything official like voting, applying for passport etc.....I'm sure you know this.....well the tabien Baan is the Thai equivalent, it's just their way of keeping a register of all the Thai people.

Hope this helps a bit.

HL

[drtreelove]

23 hours ago, happylarry said:

In England everybody has a national insurance number which is  needed whenever you need to do anything official like voting, applying for passport etc.....I'm sure you know this.....well the tabien Baan is the Thai equivalent, it's just their way of keeping a register of all the Thai people.

Hope this helps a bit.

HL

Not exactly in my opinion. I believe a Thai ID  card is more equivalent to a national insurance card/number in England, or a US Social Security card/number.  These are issued in teenage years, primarily as a right to work permit and benefit from social programs.  The Tabien Baan seems to be regarded as proof of relationship to a Thai family and that family's property ownership. A newborn is listed on the family Tabien Baan. Maybe more equivalent to a birth certificate.  Birth certificates exist, more so in modern society where hospital births are more common. But the Tabien Baan is the universal family registry tied to the family property.  Just my take on it. 

[happylarry]

27 minutes ago, drtreelove said:

Not exactly in my opinion. I believe a Thai ID  card is more equivalent to a national insurance card/number in England, or a US Social Security card/number.  These are issued in teenage years, primarily as a right to work permit and benefit from social programs.  The Tabien Baan seems to be regarded as proof of relationship to a Thai family and that family's property ownership. A newborn is listed on the family Tabien Baan. Maybe more equivalent to a birth certificate.  Birth certificates exist, more so in modern society where hospital births are more common. But the Tabien Baan is the universal family registry tied to the family property.  Just my take on it. 

Sorry my friend but you are wrong, anyone can be added to any tabien baan, it doesn't have to be family. And the reason I likened it to the national insurance number was because you have to be registered on a tabien Baan from birth, as with the nat. Ins. No. , but the Thai I'd card does not get issued until the age of seven and therefore does not cover every person in the land.

just my take on it....lol

HL

[oxo1947]

 

12 minutes ago, happylarry said:

I likened it to the national insurance number was because you have to be registered on a tabien Baan from birth, as with the nat. Ins. No. ,

You get your national insurance number when your born.....?????--things have changed,,,,,,

 

https://www.gov.uk/apply-national-insurance-number  You should be sent a National Insurance number automatically just before your 16th birthday if you live in the UK. Call the National Insurance numbers helpline if you didn't get one and you're under 20.

 

[happylarry]

I must be mistaken then, apologies drtreelove, so what is the number called on the little card that I remember my mother having when I was really small. Oh well can't be right all the time....lol ...but that still doesn't alter the fact that tabien baans are open to anybody's name not just family. But every Thai has to be registered somewhere.

HL

[melvinmelvin]

On 22.5.2017 at 4:33 PM, happylarry said:

In England everybody has a national insurance number which is  needed whenever you need to do anything official like voting, applying for passport etc.....I'm sure you know this.....well the tabien Baan is the Thai equivalent, it's just their way of keeping a register of all the Thai people.

Hope this helps a bit.

HL

 

if that is the case then the "obsession" makes sense

 

I thought that the number on the ID cards were the "keep track" handle

but maybe the tabian baan is the basis for issuing id cards

 

[Moonlover]

I do not think that the UK's National Insurance number is a good analogy.

 

Personally, I would consider the ''Electoral Register'' as being a better comparison. The reason I go for this is because when the referendum was called last year, my wife had to travel from Udon Thani, where we live, to Sakon Nakhon to cast her vote.

 

But it is a bit more than that because she also had to go there to replace her ID card when she changed her name when we married.

 

As others have commented, it seems that every Thai must be registered on a  tabien baan somewhere. My wife is on her sister-in-law's in her home village. But she mentioned to me recently that our landlord has offered to put her on the  tabien baan of our rental property, so there does seem to be a degree of flexibility.

 

Back to the OP's original enquiry, If I recall correctly, my wife had to present a signed copy when we got married and she will also need if you plan to apply for an extension of stay based on marriage, 

 

Good luck with your marriage. I wish you many happy years.

[DEEWAYNE]

1. Our ambition is to live mainly in Thailand and holiday back in NZ where we rent a house and have two grown families.
2. We are 76 and 66 and my wife is developing alzheimer's, and because she won't wear her earbuds now pretty bloody deaf as well. 
3. We want to get my wife a Thai ID card and then a Thai passport as her old one lapsed in 1976.  This is avoidance of her doing only one border run to validate her kiwi passport visa completed and evidence her being resident in Thailand from the stamp on her new Thai passport,
4. My Thai wife from Phayao and I, were married in NZ while she was studying there in 1972.  On average we have probably visited her family in Thailand every 2 - 3 years.  Most recent arrival was on Sept 26 when I was made awar as well and I;e of the need to register our "alien status" at the brothers house when we arrived there after a brief two week hiatus in a bkk hotel.
5. Her single name is still on the original tabien baan but her brother (Now head of the household) refuses to confirm and identify her as a sister by signing a transfer document form his house to my house in New Zealand.  (Don't have house books in NZ but we have the married property Act, and a separate census and drivers licence and firearm licence and passports)
6. )We have been to Thai Embassy BKK had marriage certificate and letters confirming Social Welfare NZ to continue paying our pensions while we live overseas.  We then had the documents translated and validated with the Thai Ministry of Foreign affairs in Bangkok - by the translation service.
7. Went to Amphur in Phayao who issued us with a name change certificate from her maiden name to her New Zealand surname.  Then sent to Tay Sabaan.  But the officers there said she must get her brother to sign transfer from his tabien baan.  They suggested we get her current name changed to a willing relatives blue book and at the same time sign off as a guarantor for her to obtain a Thai blue ID card.
8. Obviously I'm pretty relaxed about all this and trying to get my head around why she is still in the brother blue book as she left there for overseas in 1970, got married in 72 and have had occasional visits to them in the intervening years.
9. As well a s alzheimer's and deafness she is often confused even when speaking Thai.  Because alzheimer's affects recent memory first I'll have to explain all this to her again several times over the weekend.  
10. My question fellows is this: Are we stuffed or there is a good solution.  Namely adding her name to any willing family members book, and them signing off as guarantor for us while in Thailand.

WAYNEDEEDAZEDANDBEDAZZLED

 

[Farma]

If still in NZ getting her a Thai passport should be relatively easy. Your wife has already held a passport. Adding her to a relatives Tabien Barn would be the way to go for her I.D.

 

My son got his first Thai passport in Oz last week. All he needed was his Thai I.D. number plus Oz birth cert & drivers licence.

 

They wouldn't issue a Thai I.D. as they needed original Thai documents. They told him to get that in Thailand. 

 

He was registered by his mother on his uncles Tabien Barn nearly 20 years ago even though he was born in Oz. To our surprise is still listed even though he stayed in Thailand a few months then spent the rest of his life in Oz.

[DEEWAYNE]

Thanks Farma ,  We are already i n Thailand, Phayao, have extended our NZ passport 60-day tourist visas through to Dec 24th.,  BUT, we have managed to get her a Thai ID (BLUE) with her 13-digit pin.  

 

Now we are planning to get her a thai passport to replace her original which expired in 1976.

 

MFA Thailand advises that ID card without 13 digit PIN, requires Tabien Baan as well as other supporting docs.

 

It also advises a Thai ID with a 13 digit PIN, and a completed application form, plus 1000bt and 30bt for EMS delivery - is all that is required.  However we also have her actual thai birth certificates (original) and certified copies from NZ embassies of our NZ Marriage certificate, plus her expired thai passport, validated and translated proof of her superannuation being paid, clear medical and clear judicial report.  DO WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE>

 

Heading to Chiang Rai next Friday 8th Dec to apply.. Urgent advise please.