Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[dundas]

9 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Thats normal…everyone does it…..but spinbois like to pretend it's not.

Fabulous that Trump doesn't seem to have a bad word to say about Putin, but has tongue lashed leaders of traditional US allies. Or maybe more than a little suspicious? 

 

[CaptHaddock]

Long-time Trump business partner, Felix Sater, says he expects that both he and Trump will go to prison.  Sater is cooperating with both Mueller and Congressional investigations.  Manafort may also be cooperating.

 

The noose is tightening.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/longtime-trump-business-partner-told-family-he-knows-he-and-potus-are-going-to-prison-report/

[simple1]

12 hours ago, Opl said:

"This man is doing absolutely everything in his power to back us up and we need to have his back," Andrew Anglin wrote on the DailyStormer, a neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic website that acts as a hub of the extreme right. It's going to be really, really hard to have any bad feelings towards Trump for a long, long time after this," he said. Richard Spencer, the white nationalist organiser of the "Unite the Right" rally, hailed Trump's statement as "fair and down to earth. Trump cares about the truth," said Spencer, who added he was "proud of" the president.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/white-supremacists-neo-nazis-need-have-donald-trumps-back/

 

a new (?)  low 

 

 

Perhaps not a new low. Now repeating a myth from the far right about Pershing's actions in the Philippines in response to the Barcelona terror attack - the man is an appalling representative for the USA.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/17/donald-trump-barcelona-reaction-general-pershing-myth

 

EDIT:

 

In the past two days here in Oz the national newspaper "The Australian" ran two articles talking to why Trump's application for operating a casino in Sydney in the late 1980s, was rejected - guess why - police intelligence report of US mafia connections.

Edited August 18, 2017 by simple1

[Silurian]

Is it possible that Donald will resign and declare it a victory? Maybe a victory in his own mind.

 

"The circle is closing at blinding speed," Schwartz tweeted. "Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and congress leave him no choice."

 

'Art of the Deal' ghostwriter predicts Trump will resign

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/art-of-the-deal-author-trump-resignation-prediction/index.html

 

[iReason]

How Obama Is Owning Trump on Twitter

 

"And yet, there is one glaring difference between their profile pages: Obama has around three times as many followers as Trump."

 

"Even casual observers know that both can elicit worldwide reactions from their tweets, which is most lamentable with Trump’s proclivity for tweets on North Korea and nuclear war—and yet, Obama boasts 93.6 million followers on Twitter and has six of the 10 most-liked tweets of all time, while Trump has a comparatively paltry 36.1 million followers."

 

"These numbers, coupled with the fact that Trump’s first day in office inspired the single largest protest in U.S. history,

underlie one simple conclusion: People simply don’t like Trump."

http://fortune.com/2017/08/17/barack-obama-donald-trump-twitter/

 

3 to 1. 

[Silurian]

2 minutes ago, iReason said:

"And yet, there is one glaring difference between their profile pages: Obama has around three times as many followers as Trump."

 

And exactly how many of Donald's twitter followers are real people?

 

NEARLY HALF OF DONALD TRUMP'S TWITTER FOLLOWERS ARE FAKE ACCOUNTS AND BOTS

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-twitter-followers-fake-617873

 

[Thakkar]

And don't forget Obama and Trump's hands. This is why he really hates Obama ?

 

[Meljames]

9 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

Do you think McConnell, McCain, Cruz will permit a deal? They will want to see him publicly shamed and suffering.

 

A deal is best for the Republicans. The worse  things get for Trump the worse off the party is, thereby their jobs. 

[CaptHaddock]

10 minutes ago, Meljames said:

 

A deal is best for the Republicans. The worse  things get for Trump the worse off the party is, thereby their jobs. 

The Republican senators are unlikely to be involved in any decision to end the Trump presidency unless there is an actual impeachment trial with the Senate serving as the jury.  It will be up to the House Republicans to decide whether to pass an impeachment bill, but it needn't get that far.  A sitting president can be indicted and prosecuted for a crime including crimes committed prior to taking office, whether at the federal level or some other jurisdiction.   The precedent here is not Nixon, but Vice President Spiro Agnew, Nixon's VP, who was investigated by the DOJ for taking bribes.  Agnew and the DOJ worked out a deal where Agnew would resign, but avoid jail time.  The Congress was not involved.

 

Agnew later went on to make money happily selling uniforms to Saddam Hussein.  So, nothing was lost, save honor in that case.

[Briggsy]

17 minutes ago, Meljames said:

 

A deal is best for the Republicans. The worse  things get for Trump the worse off the party is, thereby their jobs. 

An exit stage left would suit the Republican Party and Trump.

 

Looking at Trump's previous behaviour when backed against a wall with his bankruptcies, lawsuits and casino money laundering investigations, he fights as hard as he can, throwing everything at his opponents, uses the dirtiest legal tactics,  demanding all sorts of concessions, launching multiple personal attacks and then makes a deal at the last minute which allows him to get off, limit the damage and live to fight another day.

 

This is how he will exit the presidency. It might even be by agreeing to not stand again in 2020.

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, iReason said:

Obama has around three times as many followers as Trump."

 

"Even casual observers know that both can elicit worldwide reactions from their tweets, which is most lamentable with Trump’s proclivity for tweets on North Korea and nuclear war—and yet, Obama boasts 93.6 million followers on Twitter and has six of the 10 most-liked tweets of all time, while Trump has a comparatively paltry 36.1 million followers."

 

 

shallow spinboi metrics. easy to get likes on social media….usually quoting mandela will do it.

[Thakkar]

18 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

shallow spinboi metrics. easy to get likes on social media….usually quoting mandela will do it.

Twitter metrics: shallow

 

Polls: fake news (unless they favor Trump)

 

Employment numbers: manipulated (except for the latest upbeat ones, because now it can, with a little spin, be attributed to Trump)

 

Rising Stock market (2010-2016): was independent of anything Obama did.

Rising stock market (2017): Trump! yay!

 

Popular vote favoring HRC: voter fraud

States where Trump won: the people have spoken

[iReason]

24 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

shallow spinboi metrics. easy to get likes on social media….usually quoting mandela will do it.

 

[RobFord]

Bill Moyers "An interactive time line " everything we know about Russia and President Trump". Mueller has lots to dig through.

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/


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[Skywalker69]

Fox's Shep Smith: We couldn't find a Republican willing to come on and defend Trump

 

Fox News host Shepard Smith said Wednesday that the network tried and failed to get a Republican on-air to defend President Trump's controversial comments on violence in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend

 

"Our booking team — and they're good — reached out to Republicans of all stripes across the country today," Smith said on his show "Shepard Smith Reporting." 

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346867-foxs-shepard-smith-we-couldnt-find-a-republican-willing-to-come

 

[thaihome]

As bad as I believe Trump is for America,  I tend to be even more worried what a potential Pence administration would be like and the long lasting damage to progressive accomplishments that it might be able to achieve by cooperation with the extreme right wing factions in Congress.

 

At least with Trump there is very good chance that after 4 painful years nothing will actually get done, though the federal judiciary is already <deleted> no  matter what happens.

TH 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, thaihome said:

As bad as I believe Trump is for America,  I tend to be even more worried what a potential Pence administration would be like and the long lasting damage to progressive accomplishments that it might be able to achieve by cooperation with the extreme right wing factions in Congress.

 

At least with Trump there is very good chance that after 4 painful years nothing will actually get done, though the federal judiciary is already <deleted> no  matter what happens.

TH 

Playing a devil's bargain there. I trust Pence much more with the nuclear codes. 

[thaihome]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Playing a devil's bargain there. I trust Pence much more with the nuclear codes. 

I consider expressing such sentiments as mostly hysterical hyperbole. 

 

This was throughly discussed during the campaign and the expert consensus is that it is unlikely Trump could successfully  "push the button " in an immature fit of rage.  There are just too many people in the chain of command for him to be able to do without some agreement. 

TH 

 

If Sen. Rubio, and his fellow worriers, thought about it for a minute, they would realize that president gives his approval (after a series of decisions works its way through the military command structure and the secretary of defense) and, then, another series of checks-and-balances clicks into motion before the actual missile is launched. It ends with two military officers simultaneously pushing buttons to fire a missile.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2016/11/07/dont-worry-about-trump-and-nuclear-codes/#addd9a715a54

[RobFord]

As bad as I believe Trump is for America,  I tend to be even more worried what a potential Pence administration would be like and the long lasting damage to progressive accomplishments that it might be able to achieve by cooperation with the extreme right wing factions in Congress.
 
At least with Trump there is very good chance that after 4 painful years nothing will actually get done, though the federal judiciary is already no  matter what happens.
TH 

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[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, thaihome said:

I consider expressing such sentiments as mostly hysterical hyperbole. 

 

This was throughly discussed during the campaign and the expert consensus is that it is unlikely Trump could successfully  "push the button " in an immature fit of rage.  There are just too many people in the chain of command for him to be able to do without some agreement. 

TH 

 

 

 

That's wrong. If any president decides to do it and orders it, he has total 100 percent authority to do so. Military are obligated to follow such orders. 

[rijb]

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's wrong. If any president decides to do it and orders it, he has total 100 percent authority to do so. Military are obligated to follow such orders. 

Michael Hayden, a former general and director of the CIA and of the NSA, publicly stated that if Trump governs the way he campaigns, the military may well be legally obligated to disobey his orders.

[CaptHaddock]

15 minutes ago, rijb said:

Michael Hayden, a former general and director of the CIA and of the NSA, publicly stated that if Trump governs the way he campaigns, the military may well be legally obligated to disobey his orders.

The US military has routinely obeyed illegal orders from My Lai to Abu Ghraib.  So, that's a thin reed to hold the fate of the world.

 

If civilization does ever end in nuclear winter, there is no more likely candidate to achieve it than a psychopath with dementia like Trump.

[RobFord]

Michael Hayden, a former general and director of the CIA and of the NSA, publicly stated that if Trump governs the way he campaigns, the military may well be legally obligated to disobey his orders.

 

"Only the President can direct the use of nuclear weapons by U.S. armed forces, including the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP). While the President does have unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to order that nuclear weapons be used for any reason at any time, the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule, as the President's order is subject to secondary confirmation by the Secretary of Defense. If the Secretary of Defense does not concur, then the President may in his sole discretion fire the Secretary. The Secretary of Defense has legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it.[1][2][3]"

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority

 

 

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So trump goes " Mattis, you're fired!"

 

[rijb]

1 minute ago, CaptHaddock said:

The US military has routinely obeyed illegal orders from My Lai to Abu Ghraib.  So, that's a thin reed to hold the fate of the world.

 

If civilization does ever end in nuclear winter, there is no more likely candidate to achieve it than a psychopath with dementia like Trump.

One of the first things we learned in basic training was to not blindly follow orders.

[tonray]

1 hour ago, thaihome said:

As bad as I believe Trump is for America,  I tend to be even more worried what a potential Pence administration would be like and the long lasting damage to progressive accomplishments that it might be able to achieve by cooperation with the extreme right wing factions in Congress.

 

At least with Trump there is very good chance that after 4 painful years nothing will actually get done, though the federal judiciary is already <deleted> no  matter what happens.

TH 

If we want a progressive agenda we need to win elections. The redistricting that took place after 2010 census was genius in the right and now even fewer districts up for grabs Pelosi has been  huge money raiser but an awful steward of electoral politics and House seats.  She needs to go immediately and new blood in the party before we can challenge anything 

Edited August 18, 2017 by tonray

[CaptHaddock]

5 minutes ago, rijb said:

One of the first things we learned in basic training was to not blindly follow orders.

Which was so impressively demonstrated by the war crimes committed by US soldiers at My Lai and Abu Ghraib, just to spell things out for you.

[rijb]

8 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

Which was so impressively demonstrated by the war crimes committed by US soldiers at My Lai and Abu Ghraib, just to spell things out for you.

Get real.

[CaptHaddock]

2 minutes ago, rijb said:

Get real.

Thinking critically was not exactly the order of the day for the mil, eh?

[RobFord]

One of the first things we learned in basic training was to not blindly follow orders.

Do you mean that someone at a switch whose sole purpose is to throw the switch upon orders isn't going to do it?

The US military realized after WW II that most soldiers couldn't pull the trigger when the enemy was in their sights. They've corrected that.
Welcome to the new world.


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[rijb]

35 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

Thinking critically was not exactly the order of the day for the mil, eh?

You were probably rejected from the military for a different reason.

 

I think Trump's directs will put up with his Twitter wars.  But, cooler heads will prevail if he tries to start WW3.