Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[Skywalker69]

14 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

The problem with addressing a comment is that you have no idea what I was addressing. The credibility of the USA declined during the Obama era. We remember him drawing lines in the sand and then backing up some more. Remember when the Chinese snubbed him when he arrived in China for the G20. He had to scurry out the back of the plane because the Chinese didn't even present him with stairs and the red carpet. And he just played it off. It's your right to see things through your own twisted view of things but don't insult others for not following suit. My view of Obama is that he was a joke to the rest of the world.

 

Have a nice day................I'm out of this little social circle.

Poll: Bush, Obama gaining popularity under Trump

 

Former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have seen their favorability ratings rise in retirement and since President Donald Trump took office, according to a Gallup Poll released Monday.

Both Obama and Bush are viewed favorably by about six in 10 adults, and both are more popular than Trump, who registered a favorability rating of 40 percent in the current poll.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/19/bush-obama-presidents-gallup-poll-239727

[Thakkar]

7 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

Yes, the far right was angry because they couldn't handle the election results. Many of them young who are brought up in such a way that they can't handle defeat. I

You are reframing the anger and opposition in the usual made-up right wing narrative. They were protesting his racism, his misogyny, his divisiveness, his failure to release tax returns...how do I know, because that's what they said to interviewers, that's what their placards said. You are ignoring that and making up your own reasons. It says more about you than them.

 

7 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

There was never a ban on all Muslims entering the US. Another lie. A ban for "people" entering from certain countries...yes.

During the campaign. Proposes it "total shutdown of all Muslims entering...":

 

Defends it on CNN:

 

 

 

 

And defends it again on Fox:

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

Women's right to choose would have been an issue no matter which Republican became president.

 

And women's rights supporters would've protested that candidate as well for that reason. It would've been a legitimate grievance.

 

8 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

Cut taxes for the wealthy....another lie. Cut taxes for businesses which some happen to be owned by the wealthy. Remember who pays a large percentage of taxes. Do you think the poor and middle class could handle the tax burden alone? Of course not.

When Republicans talk about cutting taxes AND reducing deficits. It means cutting support for the poor and reducing the responsibilities of the Rich. Everyone contributing a fair share is how successful societies work.

 

8 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

The "Wall" thing was just a propaganda tool. Anyone with any common sense would recognize that.

The call for The Wall was a racist call to arms, nothing less. Saying Mexico would pay for it was a calculated insult to Mexicans.

 

8 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

If such protests had taken place when Obama took office...What would have happened? That would have been racist,

 

Introducing a hypothetical is a deflection.

 

8 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

The folks you call Trump supporters aren't necessarily on board with all his antics, but we recognize the fact that he is better than "Crooked Hillary"

So, a candidate that doesn't release his taxes and is cagey about them is better than a candidate that releases decades of their taxes?

A candidate that openly insults women, Muslims, Mexicans, a disabled journalist is better than a candidate that shows respect for different sectors?

A candidate that babbles incoherently and realness vague proposals is better than one that is coherent and releases detailed policy proposals?

A candidate with no public service record, no experience in government is better than a candidate with decades of experience who has dedicated her life to public service?

 

I don't think you know what "better" means.

 

T

[simple1]

38 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

<snip> The credibility of the USA declined during the Obama era.

Have a nice day................I'm out of this little social circle.

Yes it's true the Obama Administration experienced some push back on foreign policy, but nowhere near the level of denigration Trump is experiencing across all spectrum of his Administration's policy.

 

From my experience on this forum your response above is obligatory when you cannot reasonably substantiate opinion.

Edited August 9, 2017 by simple1

[Skywalker69]

23 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Poll: Bush, Obama gaining popularity under Trump

 

Former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have seen their favorability ratings rise in retirement and since President Donald Trump took office, according to a Gallup Poll released Monday.

Both Obama and Bush are viewed favorably by about six in 10 adults, and both are more popular than Trump, who registered a favorability rating of 40 percent in the current poll.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/19/bush-obama-presidents-gallup-poll-239727

http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/poll-trump-approval-at-33-1018552387781?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_jy

 

[boomerangutang]

12 hours ago, mesquite said:

Oh yeah, any video that has the Young Turks guy is gonna be the real thing.  He and his pals came close to an on-air suicide the night Trump won.  Stable, real stable.

                  Well, it's nice to hear we both agree that "the Young Turks guy is gonna be the real thing."  Do you also agree that Cenk should run for office?  Actually, I think he's doing more than enough (to make America better) by broadcasting his insightful commentaries.   

 

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

12 hours ago, mesquite said:

Oh yeah, any video that has the Young Turks guy is gonna be the real thing.  He and his pals came close to an on-air suicide the night Trump won.  Stable, real stable.

trump winning was a national tragedy. Worthy of major grief.

                                To me, it was akin to the time I heard the Twin Towers had been bombed.  9-11 was more shocking, but Trump's harmful reign will have worse reverberations on the US than 9-11.

 

11 hours ago, mesquite said:

it's called the truth.  The swing state polls showed Hillary would win.  They were cooked and Trump won.

If you look squarely at the factors which assisted Trump in getting enough electoral votes to win, you'll see:

 

>>>>   giant donations from mega-rich conservatives, many of whom are under indictments for law-breaking

>>>>   mega manipulations by not only the Russian agents, but many internet shysters in the US and former E.Bloc state.

>>>>   Dirty tricks by Roger Stone, Manifort, Sessions, Carter Page, Trump's spawn, Trump himself, Flynn, and many others.  How many promises has Trump and his cohorts broken in the past year?   Thousands.  Unfortunately, for all Americans, there is a minority of Americans who are extremely gullible, and they're the people who voted for the Shyster.   Thus far, about 1/3 of former Trump fans are seeing the stupidity of their earlier votes, but Trump will always have a core base of supporters, no matter what he says and does.

 

                        Many of the dirty tricksters from Russia and the USA are being looked at by law enforcement, as we speak.  Unfortunately, US election laws allow dirty money and dirty tricks to a large extent, so there need to be congressional fixes to clean up the election process in the US.

[Morch]

On 8/8/2017 at 9:22 AM, Thakkar said:

 

To be fair, Trump still has plenty of supporters:

 

 

Trump's support rating are down. Fine. Can make different claims regarding figures, but essentially no arguments there. But even so, said base isn't small. It's smaller than those opposed to Trump, yes. But still a whole lot of people. And given how susceptible people are to manipulation (even disregarding previous held beliefs and views), how Trump & Co. have no compunctions playing these cards and how good Putin's Russia at dealing - this spells trouble for years to come. Regardless of how Trump's presidency ends.

 

The current system works out as long as people accept certain premises. When enough people don't, problems arise. Now, there are always those who don't, just that they are usually marginalized, separated, in a state of disarray. There is no voice channeling their dissatisfaction with the system.

 

Well, they do now. And even if he'll be legally and rightfully kicked out of office, it wouldn't change much as far as his base goes. More fuel for them conspiracy theories and feeling of disenfranchisement and resentment. To be clear, not talking about all those who voted for him. For many he was simply a default option, others were quickly disillusioned, and most of the GOP would love him to be out and Pence in.

 

Prior to the elections, there was talk that if defeated, Trump would start his own media outlet - serving to feed the flames and his own ego. This could happen either way, and with the benefit of hindsight, those not too blinkered can guess who'll lend a helping hand. As the likelihood of Trump publicly admitting to any wrongdoing (even if booted out of office) is virtually nil - this can go on for quite a while. And nothing better for zealots and their causes then a handy political martyr.

 

Earlier in the topic it was said that the anti-Trump demonstrators engaging in violence were Anarchists, rather than the main stream protestors. Wonder how things will go with a similar situation applied to Trump's base. My guess it could get ugly, or even uglier. And to head of some Trump's supporters expected complaints - again, not talking about anyone who voted for him.

[Thakkar]

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Trump's support rating are down. Fine. Can make different claims regarding figures, but essentially no arguments there. But even so, said base isn't small. It's smaller than those opposed to Trump, yes. But still a whole lot of people. And given how susceptible people are to manipulation (even disregarding previous held beliefs and views), how Trump & Co. have no compunctions playing these cards and how good Putin's Russia at dealing - this spells trouble for years to come. Regardless of how Trump's presidency ends.

 

The current system works out as long as people accept certain premises. When enough people don't, problems arise. Now, there are always those who don't, just that they are usually marginalized, separated, in a state of disarray. There is no voice channeling their dissatisfaction with the system.

 

Well, they do now. And even if he'll be legally and rightfully kicked out of office, it wouldn't change much as far as his base goes. More fuel for them conspiracy theories and feeling of disenfranchisement and resentment. To be clear, not talking about all those who voted for him. For many he was simply a default option, others were quickly disillusioned, and most of the GOP would love him to be out and Pence in.

 

Prior to the elections, there was talk that if defeated, Trump would start his own media outlet - serving to feed the flames and his own ego. This could happen either way, and with the benefit of hindsight, those not too blinkered can guess who'll lend a helping hand. As the likelihood of Trump publicly admitting to any wrongdoing (even if booted out of office) is virtually nil - this can go on for quite a while. And nothing better for zealots and their causes then a handy political martyr.

 

Earlier in the topic it was said that the anti-Trump demonstrators engaging in violence were Anarchists, rather than the main stream protestors. Wonder how things will go with a similar situation applied to Trump's base. My guess it could get ugly, or even uglier. And to head of some Trump's supporters expected complaints - again, not talking about anyone who voted for him.

 

Greg Sargent n an insightful column yesterday speaks to this, and it is scary:

 

Because Trump is undermining our democratic norms and processes in so many ways, it is often easy to focus on each of them in isolation, rather than as part of the same larger story. But, taken together, they point to a possible climax in which Trump, cornered by revelations unearthed by Robert S. Mueller III’s probe and by ongoing media scrutiny, seeks to rally his supporters behind the idea that this outcome represents not the imposition of accountability by functioning institutional safeguards, but rather an effort to steal the election from him — and from them.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/07/as-mueller-closes-in-trump-prepares-his-base-for-the-worst/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.10f9e8d2e9bf

[Skywalker69]

Secretive search for man behind Trump dossier reveals tension in Russia inquiry

 

 

Two US congressional staffers who travelled to London in July and tried to contact former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele were sent by a longstanding aide to Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House intelligence committee and a close ally of the White House.

The trip has brought back to the surface a continuing struggle for control of the committee’s investigation into Moscow’s role in the 2016 US election. The reliability of a dossier compiled by Steele, containing explosive allegations of extensive secret collusion between Trump and the Kremlin, is a key part of that investigation.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/07/donald-trump-russia-dossier-christopher-steele-devin-nunes?CMP=share_btn_fb

[simple1]

44 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

Greg Sargent n an insightful column yesterday speaks to this, and it is scary:

 

Because Trump is undermining our democratic norms and processes in so many ways, it is often easy to focus on each of them in isolation, rather than as part of the same larger story. But, taken together, they point to a possible climax in which Trump, cornered by revelations unearthed by Robert S. Mueller III’s probe and by ongoing media scrutiny, seeks to rally his supporters behind the idea that this outcome represents not the imposition of accountability by functioning institutional safeguards, but rather an effort to steal the election from him — and from them.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/07/as-mueller-closes-in-trump-prepares-his-base-for-the-worst/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.10f9e8d2e9bf

It's been in my thoughts that Trump will not be impeached, even if sufficient evidence emerges,  due to the anticipated volatility in US society.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

It's been in my thoughts that Trump will not be impeached, even if sufficient evidence emerges,  due to the anticipated volatility in US society.

 

Doubt this would be a foremost consideration for the folks voting on impeachment. Most will cast their votes according to perceived effects on them keeping their seats.

[Skywalker69]

 

[PattayaJames]

13 hours ago, iReason said:

This may be the final nail in the coffin.

Yeah, could be. LOL

[ilostmypassword]

5 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/poll-trump-approval-at-33-1018552387781?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_jy

 

To be fair, this happened in previous administrations with virtually every ex-President 

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

It's been in my thoughts that Trump will not be impeached, even if sufficient evidence emerges,  due to the anticipated volatility in US society.

And Trump is fuelling that. Just before the election he started fuelling the crowds with the "election is fixed' stories to cover his back, now he is fuelling his take down at the hands of Democrats on a witch hunt". The problem is his base actually buy that, failing to acknowledge that without any evidence of a crime there can be no impeachment. If there is evidence the crowd will somehow be persuaded that it is 'made up' by the Dems.

 

Trumps only way of surviving is now looming large. His pre-emptive strike on North Korea. It will cost millions of lives, but he doesn't give a crap, he will do it to improve his ratings. Time to open up a body bag business.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Andaman Al

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

And Trump is fuelling that. Just before the election he started fuelling the crowds with the "election is fixed' stories to cover his back, now he is fuelling his take down at the hands of Democrats on a witch hunt". The problem is his base actually buy that, failing to acknowledge that without any evidence of a crime there can be no impeachment. If there is evidence the crowd will somehow be persuaded that it is 'made up' by the Dems.

 

Trumps only way of surviving is now looming large. His pre-emptive strike on North Korea. It will cost millions of lives, but he doesn't give a crap, he will do it to improve his ratings. Time to open up a body bag business.

 

Making NK just about Trump is about as bogus as Trump's trying to ride on the NK issue.

[Andaman Al]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Making NK just about Trump is about as bogus as Trump's trying to ride on the NK issue.

NK has been no different for 30 years. They are trying it on with the new kid on the block (emphasis on the word Kid). Trump has no concept of a diplomatic approach. His diplomacy is to threaten. It plays into the hands of Kim Jong who is banking on China preventing Trump's plans for carnage. In the meantime Trump is feeding the Korean troll, and making plans for "his War' which will rally his core base of nut jobs.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

NK has been no different for 30 years. They are trying it on with the new kid on the block (emphasis on the word Kid). Trump has no concept of a diplomatic approach. His diplomacy is to threaten. It plays into the hands of Kim Jong who is banking on China preventing Trump's plans for carnage. In the meantime Trump is feeding the Korean troll, and making plans for "his War' which will rally his core base of nut jobs.

 

NK introduced new military means, which might change the previous rules. Chalking all the responsibility for the current conflagration on Trump's administration is one of them popular partisan things. NK is what it is, with or without Trump's input. 

[Andaman Al]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

NK introduced new military means, which might change the previous rules. Chalking all the responsibility for the current conflagration on Trump's administration is one of them popular partisan things. NK is what it is, with or without Trump's input. 

I am not chalking up all the woe's on Trumps administration. He happens to be the current POTUS and the only way he will stay in power is to have the war that he and his administration need. He WILL attempt to start a war in which millions will die, and he will do it as one of those 'popular partisan things'. Lets see how popular it is when people start being sent home in body bags.

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

I am not chalking up all the woe's on Trumps administration. He happens to be the current POTUS and the only way he will stay in power is to have the war that he and his administration need. He WILL attempt to start a war in which millions will die, and he will do it as one of those 'popular partisan things'. Lets see how popular it is when people start being sent home in body bags.

 

People sometimes say leaders start wars in order to stay in power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that there's a legal issue with investigating, prosecuting or impeaching a president at any time. If the claim is more to do with approval ratings, well...I don't know that war is that popular with voters. Doubt these sort of things always play out well in terms of  electoral and political support.

 

It's great that you are certain that there will be a war, and even more so that it will be started by Trump, and not by his NK counterpart. Not partisan, eh?

[ilostmypassword]

23 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

People sometimes say leaders start wars in order to stay in power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that there's a legal issue with investigating, prosecuting or impeaching a president at any time. If the claim is more to do with approval ratings, well...I don't know that war is that popular with voters. Doubt these sort of things always play out well in terms of  electoral and political support.

 

It's great that you are certain that there will be a war, and even more so that it will be started by Trump, and not by his NK counterpart. Not partisan, eh?

War is usually very popular with voters. At least at the outset. Trump's approval ratings got a bump after he launched missiles at the airbase in Syria. Bush got more than a bump in the 2002 mid-term elections on the way to war in Iraq. And another boost in the 2004 elections. And when your approval ratings are in the toilet, military action might seem like an inviting prospect. Whether that figures into Trump's thinking, who can say?

[inThailand]

7 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

War is usually very popular with voters. At least at the outset. Trump's approval ratings got a bump after he launched missiles at the airbase in Syria. Bush got more than a bump in the 2002 mid-term elections on the way to war in Iraq. And another boost in the 2004 elections. And when your approval ratings are in the toilet, military action might seem like an inviting prospect. Whether that figures into Trump's thinking, who can say?

Yup. A war with a country no one likes like NK could be a Trump savior. If NK starts it the US will be behind Trump. The pussies before him would ask for a meeting after being bombed. 

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, inThailand said:

Yup. A war with a country no one likes like NK could be a Trump savior. If NK starts it the US will be behind Trump. The pussies before him would ask for a meeting after being bombed. 

Salivating much?

[inThailand]

5 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Salivating much?

and foaming at the mouth!

 

It's in the US best interests that Trump is a successful president. He is his worst enemy, but all the ones who guessed the election wrong which is their job, are out to get him. He needs to get refocused on making decisions not playing daily defence. His failure will mean continuing the demise of the US.

[Jingthing]

and foaming at the mouth!
 
It's in the US best interests that Trump is a successful president. He is his worst enemy, but all the ones who guessed the election wrong which is their job, are out to get him. He needs to get refocused on making decisions not playing daily defence. His failure will mean continuing the demise of the US.

You don't get it. He does not change. He does not learn. The clown that was elected is the clown we're stuck with until he's removed.

[dutchisaan]

20 minutes ago, inThailand said:

and foaming at the mouth!

 

It's in the US best interests that Trump is a successful president. He is his worst enemy, but all the ones who guessed the election wrong which is their job, are out to get him. He needs to get refocused on making decisions not playing daily defence. His failure will mean continuing the demise of the US.

Trump getting refocused? Come on my friend, you are dreaming! The only thing this clown cares about is playing golf and screwing the American people, and btw, trowing his NY security detail out of his "beautiful" tower!

[Jingthing]

 
People sometimes say leaders start wars in order to stay in power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that there's a legal issue with investigating, prosecuting or impeaching a president at any time. If the claim is more to do with approval ratings, well...I don't know that war is that popular with voters. Doubt these sort of things always play out well in terms of  electoral and political support.
 
It's great that you are certain that there will be a war, and even more so that it will be started by Trump, and not by his NK counterpart. Not partisan, eh?

It's fair to assume if it happens it will because NK has crossed a red line and trump would react to save macho face. A not insane president would never have made the sick speech trump just made. He basically threatened a nuclear attack in response to threatening rhetoric from NK. NK will threaten again. If the clown doesn't follow through he looks weak. We all know how much the clown hates looking weak. In that sense if it plays out that way I would say yes trump started the war. Moronic dangerous man.

[inThailand]

Trump does have a clown mouth. But when its time to make a deision he makes rational good business decisons. They should cut off this twitter account and get him back on the pressing issues. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, inThailand said:

Trump does have a clown mouth. But when its time to make a deision he makes rational good business decisons. They should cut off this twitter account and get him back on the pressing issues. 

 

As president, what good decisions did he make relating to such "times"?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

War is usually very popular with voters. At least at the outset. Trump's approval ratings got a bump after he launched missiles at the airbase in Syria. Bush got more than a bump in the 2002 mid-term elections on the way to war in Iraq. And another boost in the 2004 elections. And when your approval ratings are in the toilet, military action might seem like an inviting prospect. Whether that figures into Trump's thinking, who can say?

 

I think that war is less popular with voters than it used to be. Sure, some segments will cheer, some will support as long as it's a limited proposition. But war as in another quagmire - nope. That's political suicide these days. If there's anything positive to be taken from the succession of quagmires, is that people are more suspicious of such interventions.

 

A bump in ratings? Possibly. How's that related to the ongoing investigations will remain a mystery. If the US was nearing elections time, it would have made more sense.

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, inThailand said:

Yup. A war with a country no one likes like NK could be a Trump savior. If NK starts it the US will be behind Trump. The pussies before him would ask for a meeting after being bombed. 

"A country...no one likes"

 

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