Overstay

[GuiseppeD]

Go to bed Ronnie.  

[ratcatcher]

20 minutes ago, GuiseppeD said:

Go to bed Ronnie.  

Now he's off to the Philippines to see the pinays if he can escape IDC. Watch out for Duterte ronnie boy.

[Bastos60]

45 minutes ago, ronnieadurante said:

Anyways guys, thanks for the answers. The answer I didn't want to hear, but oh well. I was hoping I could stiff them on the way out the door because I'm switching flavors anyway. Time to satisfy that pinay fever.

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So he has the money to pay the overstay fine, he just wants a backdoor to avoid paying it. 

[GuiseppeD]

Just now, Bastos60 said:

So he has the money to pay the overstay fine, he just wants a backdoor to avoid paying it. 

He'll have backdoor in IDC.  Don't bend over for the soap my old friend always told me.

[PoorSucker]

Bring a rice mattress, the concrete floor in IDC is not comfortable.

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[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.  

[anto]

He wont get a ban if overstay is less than 3 months and he hands himself in .If overstay 3 months to one year and he hands himself in its a one year ban .

 

Alien Surrendered to Authorities:

Alien Being Arrested and Prosecuted:

1. An alien who overstays more than 90 days beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 1 year, starting from the departure date.
2. An alien who overstays more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 3 years, starting from the departure date.
3. An alien who overstays more than 3 years beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 5 years, starting from the departure date.
4. An alien who overstays more than 5 years beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 10 years, starting from the departure date.
   1. An alien who is caught overstaying less than or exactly 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 5 years, starting from the departure date.
   2. An alien who is caught overstaying more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 10 years, starting from the departure date.

Edited June 3, 2017 by anto

[Bastos60]

1 hour ago, anto said:

He wont get a ban if overstay is less than 3 months and he hands himself in .If overstay 3 months to one year and he hands himself in its a one year ban .

 

Alien Surrendered to Authorities:

Alien Being Arrested and Prosecuted:

1. An alien who overstays more than 90 days beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 1 year, starting from the departure date.
2. An alien who overstays more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 3 years, starting from the departure date.
3. An alien who overstays more than 3 years beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 5 years, starting from the departure date.
4. An alien who overstays more than 5 years beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 10 years, starting from the departure date.
   1. An alien who is caught overstaying less than or exactly 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 5 years, starting from the departure date.
   2. An alien who is caught overstaying more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 10 years, starting from the departure date.

That was also suggested but he doesn't want to cough up the money for the fine.

[jeab1980]

He will be sat looking at an empty bar about now in soi wherever. Thinking ha look at all the people i took in (i include myself).

[BritTim]

13 hours ago, Bastos60 said:

 

What if he just goes to immigration and surrenders, he might be able to just leave or not? 
The ban is only if he is caught overstaying, not when he voluntarely surrenders to immigration.

If he surrenders to immigration (typically at the airport) pays the fine and leaves voluntarily, he avoids the blacklisting. That is not what the OP wants to do. Going to immigration and saying you do not want to pay the fine and leave will get you arrested.

[anto]

>> Going to immigration and saying you do not want to pay the fine and leave will get you arrested.<<

 

What if he says that he can not pay /does not have the money ,and will take a one year ban instead ?He has the ticket out at the Airport ,would they let him fly out ?

Edited June 4, 2017 by anto

[Jdietz]

2 hours ago, anto said:

 

What if he says that he can not pay /does not have the money ,and will take a one year ban instead ?He has the ticket out at the Airport ,would they let him fly out ?

 

- No they won't let him fly out.

- He will be detained, brought in front of a judge, get sentenced to a (usually smaller) fine.

- Then he will have to do the time instead in IDC and

-- Pay for a new ticket on his National Airline straight home. Not to a 3rd country.

-- Arrange (pay for) transport to the airport for him and a couple officers

-- Get escorted to the gate, passport handed to Captain.

-- Enjoy Blighty

[ronnieadurante]

-- Pay for a new ticket on his National Airline straight home. Not to a 3rd country.
I haven't researched this but unless an arbitrary stamp has been put into your passport, once you clear immigration, thai authorities have no say in where you go.
Unless there is an international law/agreement that states such.

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[Jdietz]

You won't clear immigration without being escorted back on the plane home.

 

Have fun.

 

[GuiseppeD]

2 minutes ago, ronnieadurante said:

-- Pay for a new ticket on his National Airline straight home. Not to a 3rd country.
I haven't researched this but unless an arbitrary stamp has been put into your passport, once you clear immigration, thai authorities have no say in where you go.
Unless there is an international law/agreement that states such.

You will be frog marched to the flight that takes you directly back to your home country.  End of.

[ronnieadurante]

You won't clear immigration without being escorted back on the plane home.
 
Have fun.
 

Yea but they have no say in where that plane is going..their responsibility is their border, thats it.

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[GuiseppeD]

Just now, ronnieadurante said:

Yea but they have no say in where that plane is going..their responsibility is their border, thats it.

Good luck with that and something to contemplate when you are flown directly back to your home country.

[Jdietz]

Please let us know how that idea went.

As stated you will have to buy a ticket straight home, your passport confiscated and you will be escorted to and put on that particular plane, without ever touching your passport until the Captain decides it is safe to hand it to you again.

 

But have fun trying. 

[ronnieadurante]

Please let us know how that idea went.
As stated you will have to buy a ticket straight home, your passport confiscated and you will be escorted to and put on that particular plane, without ever touching your passport until the Captain decides it is safe to hand it to you again.
 
But have fun trying. 

So if you are voluntary, show up at airport with ticket and fine money you can fly anywhere..but if you don't have fine money your detained and then when your ready to go, they can make you fly straight home..interesting

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[JackThompson]

14 minutes ago, ronnieadurante said:

So if you are voluntary, show up at airport with ticket and fine money you can fly anywhere..but if you don't have fine money your detained and then when your ready to go, they can make you fly straight home..interesting

Yes, in the latter case, you are being deported - which is Always Straight Home (expensive flight, taken to plane in handcuffs, etc). 
In the first case, you are leaving voluntarily, having paid a fine for your overstay, and can go anywhere you have legal permission to enter.  Note that Laos won't allow boarding of Thai-overstayers, but Malaysia and others will.

[FritsSikkink]

30 minutes ago, ronnieadurante said:

Yea but they have no say in where that plane is going..their responsibility is their border, thats it.

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You are detained and you have no say in were you will go. If you can't pay for a ticket to your home country you will be detained a very long time.

[james1995]

No friends or family to help you out?  Come'on.  What ever happened to old fashioned support networks???

[ronnieadurante]

Yes, in the latter case, you are being deported - which is Always Straight Home (expensive flight, taken to plane in handcuffs, etc). 
In the first case, you are leaving voluntarily, having paid a fine for your overstay, and can go anywhere you have legal permission to enter.  Note that Laos won't allow boarding of Thai-overstayers, but Malaysia and others will.

Ok..that makes it clearer now, your a deportation and I'm sure there are international laws that cover this

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[anto]

Cash in your ticket home .Use the money to pay your overstay and fly to Malaysia or similar .From there you have some time to  work out your next move .

Get out of Thailand though pronto ,one way or another .If desperate there are unmarked trails out of the Country . Prison here could kill you .

Edited June 4, 2017 by anto

[ronnieadurante]

To all expats, I hereby vow to be a more responsible visitor when I come back in september...thanks for all the comments and conversation.

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[dutchisaan]

9 minutes ago, ronnieadurante said:

To all expats, I hereby vow to be a more responsible visitor when I come back in september...thanks for all the comments and conversation.

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Well, from the way you handle this problem, what you created, I don't think we will see you in September.

but anyway have a good flight.

[BritTim]

Actually, when you are being deported, you can go to any country that will accept you on any airline that will accept you as a passenger. The problem is that, with virtually never any exceptions, no country or airline wants to accepts a deportee. Under international law, your home country is obliged to receive you, and the national carrier has no choice but to accept you as a passenger. 

[Sailor42]

Am I being unreasonable, but I wonder why we are wasting time, space on our website, and the guidance of the more experienced and helpful members on trying to help someone who is either a troll or, sadly, mentally deranged? We may not always agree with the laws and regulations in our " adopted " Paradise, but when someone seeks guidance on a regulation that is pretty well standard and applies to all us who are effectively guests in the country we choose to call home, and then goes on for six pages querying and arguing with the sensible opinions and freely-offered advice, I think our honourable Moderator should, as it were, call " Time, gentlemen, please!" Enough, surely?!!

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[howard ashoul]

You can pay a fine (500 baht/ per day of overstay; max is 20k). And you won't be banned from country.

 

If you refuse, you will be arrested. And release only after you pay your overstay fine + new ticket + acommodation in jail.

 

And don't forget, that it will be very hard to find an airlines, that will sell you ticket. Most of the airlines refuse to sell tickets to deported people.  Only airline I know of, which is flying deported people out of country, are Thai airlines?

 

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Your cocky attitude doesn't irritate me at all. I'm staying her long enought to know, how people with this attitude will end up here. This kind of attitude might work for you at home or maybe with other people.

 

But once you hit some officer with this behaviour, you will meet karma.

 

Its very easy to bend rules in this country. And every office and every officer can bend the rules how he wants. If you're nice to him (or preferably give him tip). But these rules are also bended in opossite way to <deleted>.

[ronnieadurante]

Well, from the way you handle this problem, what you created, I don't think we will see you in September.
but anyway have a good flight.

With all due respect sir you act like I created a monster..there are over 60,000 illegals in thailand.
I'm a g7 tourist and about a .5 on the 1-10 scale of illegal immigration in thailand.
I maintain an apartment here and live here 6 months a year.
See you in september.

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