Image of the United States has plunged under Trump, survey shows

[craigt3365]

Just now, MrPatrickThai said:

I think it has improved, Trump is better than the last few presidents.

 

He's not interested in starting wars, high-scale corruption like Bush. 

Many of my friends admire Trump for what he's doing keeping Muslims out the US. 

 

On a side note, CNN is unbearable to watch now  -  what total propaganda by misinformed idiots.

You might have missed the OP.  The image is down with Trump as president.  Not up.  As for corruption...he's WAY worse than Bush! LOL

 

If you watch only the news, CNN is fine.  And hardly idiots.

 

Sad your friends feel that way about Muslims.  The US has lots of great Muslim citizens.  Like every other religion, there are good ones and bad ones.

[MrPatrickThai]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

You might have missed the OP.  The image is down with Trump as president.  Not up.  As for corruption...he's WAY worse than Bush! LOL

 

If you watch only the news, CNN is fine.  And hardly idiots.

 

Sad your friends feel that way about Muslims.  The US has lots of great Muslim citizens.  Like every other religion, there are good ones and bad ones.

I mean my image of the US is up. Apart from the anti democracy movement witchhunting Trump. Sure there are good Muslims but look at the state of Europe. It is being overrun and they want to take over, ie have their own laws etc.

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

You might have missed the OP.  The image is down with Trump as president.  Not up.  As for corruption...he's WAY worse than Bush! LOL

 

If you watch only the news, CNN is fine.  And hardly idiots.

 

Sad your friends feel that way about Muslims.  The US has lots of great Muslim citizens.  Like every other religion, there are good ones and bad ones.

Yes, and banning people / discriminating against people only based on religion violates the U.S. CONSTITUTION! 

The entire fascist trumpist movement is a direct assault on American values. 

[PeterA]

Trump bring jobs? Where do you get your information? Fox news? You just can't educate some people, so why bother. When Trump falls on his face, his followers will fall blindly with him. It will take years, if even possible,  to undo the damage he has already done.

[MrPatrickThai]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, and banning people / discriminating against people only based on religion violates the U.S. CONSTITUTION! 

The entire fascist trumpist movement is a direct assault on American values. 

Better that he alternative Hilary, that's why Trump won.

 

All CNN are going on about all day is Trumps son, what about Hilary and the campaign money she got from selling guns to many countries? 

 

Time the US had a new constitution, well out of date, esp that STUPID right to bear arms, why nonsense.

[Jingthing]

Just now, MrPatrickThai said:

Better that he alternative Hilary, that's why Trump won.

 

All CNN are going on about all day is Trumps son, what about Hilary and the campaign money she got from selling guns to many countries? 

 

Time the US had a new constitution, well out of date, esp that STUPID right to bear arms, why nonsense.

Actually studies are conclusively saying that the main reasons trump won were related to racism (by whites) and sexism.

trump knew what he was doing with his opening gambit calling Mexicans rapists. Horrible con man clown. 

[MrPatrickThai]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Actually studies are conclusively saying that the main reasons trump won were related to racism (by whites) and sexism.

trump knew what he was doing with his opening gambit calling Mexicans rapists. Horrible con man clown. 

Do you actually believe there are more white sexist, racist men in the electorate than not? Come on man.

[PeterA]

1 minute ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Better that he alternative Hilary, that's why Trump won.

 

All CNN are going on about all day is Trumps son, what about Hilary and the campaign money she got from selling guns to many countries? 

 

Time the US had a new constitution, well out of date, esp that STUPID right to bear arms, why nonsense.

Every President climbs in the deep pockets of the arms manufactures, not just Hilliary. I agree 100% that it is time to get rid of the guns. It made me sad to return to Thailand after many years gone that they now can own guns. I hope they can do better than the US has done.

 

[PeterA]

Just now, MrPatrickThai said:

Do you actually believe there are more white sexist, racist men in the electorate than not? Come on man.

I guess you have never lived in any of the southern States.

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, MrPatrickThai said:

Do you actually believe there are more white sexist, racist men in the electorate than not? Come on man.

I didn't say any such thing.

Perhaps you don't understand the last election.

Clinton decidedly won the POPULAR vote. 

She lost the election based on the electoral college in only four states by very thin margins in those four states.

The USA is close to a 50 / 50 nation as far as democrats / republicans.

It's a matter of moving a SMALL PORTION of the electorate to win presidential elections.

trump did that and studies are showing the main factors were racism and sexism. Not the economy. And certainly not Obamacare either which is actually quite popular compared to the replacement garbage bill which has less than 20 percent national support. 

[MrPatrickThai]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I didn't say any such thing.

Perhaps you don't understand the last election.

Clinton decidedly won the POPULAR vote. 

She lost the election based on the electoral college in only four states by very thin margins in those four states.

The USA is close to a 50 / 50 nation as far as democrats / republicans.

It's a matter of moving a SMALL PORTION of the electorate to win presidential elections.

trump did that and studies are showing the main factors were racism and sexism. Not the economy. And certainly not Obamacare either which is actually quite popular compared to the replacement garbage bill which has less than 20 percent national support. 

Are you saying he moved people to different states to win the election?

 

No, I know little of the way they do their election but whatever they do was surely democratically decided. Did Bush win the Popular vote? He is a lot worse than Trump. Why do Americans ignore what he did by invading Iraq for money?

[dutchisaan]

Want to copy a picture, but doesn't work, sorry

Edited July 14, 2017 by dutchisaan

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Are you saying he moved people to different states to win the election?

 

No, I know little of the way they do their election but whatever they do was surely democratically decided. Did Bush win the Popular vote? He is a lot worse than Trump. Why do Americans ignore what he did by invading Iraq for money?

No said no such thing.

Maybe read a Wiki page on U.S. election process and you can learn. 

Yes Bush also lost the popular vote but the election was stolen for him by the supreme court.

The topic doesn't concern Bush at all. 

[iReason]

2 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

And a quote from another source.....

 

I don't see any source.

 

Just seven unsupported sentences.

With no link.

 

 

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals:

 

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise

to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

 

Precedent:

U.S. V. MARMOLEJO

SUMMARIES FROM SUBSEQUENT CASES (15)

“Holding that the plain meaning of 18 U.S.C. § 666(a)(1)(B) includes transactions involving intangibles within

the term "any thing of value" and collecting cases construing "any thing of value" in other criminal statutes to include intangibles”

 

“The term "anything of value" in § 666(a)(1)(B) is broad in scope and contains no language restricting its application to transactions involving money, goods, or services.” (Quoted 6 times)

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-marmolejo-4

 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2017 by iReason

[Scott]

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[Andaman Al]

59 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

I don't see any source.

 

Just seven unsupported sentences.

With no link.

 

 

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals:

 

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

(A)a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise

to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

 

Precedent:

U.S. V. MARMOLEJO

SUMMARIES FROM SUBSEQUENT CASES (15)

“Holding that the plain meaning of 18 U.S.C. § 666(a)(1)(B) includes transactions involving intangibles within

the term "any thing of value" and collecting cases construing "any thing of value" in other criminal statutes to include intangibles”

 

“The term "anything of value" in § 666(a)(1)(B) is broad in scope and contains no language restricting its application to transactions involving money, goods, or services.” (Quoted 6 times)

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-marmolejo-4

 

 

 

Yup!

 

For the nay sayers, there are people out there who are paid a lot more than those on TV, who have spent their careers in this area of law saying that there are strong grounds under various laws and acts to ensure that Donald Jr gets to wear some stripey pyjama's for a few years. So who shall we believe? The specialists in this area of law or the Trump armchair lawyers on TV who say 'no', 'but but can't', 'but but Obama' to everything. Give me a nano second to consider this dichotomy!

[bushdoctor]

2 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

Yup!

 

For the nay sayers, there are people out there who are paid a lot more than those on TV, who have spent their careers in this area of law saying that there are strong grounds under various laws and acts to ensure that Donald Jr gets to wear some stripey pyjama's for a few years. So who shall we believe? The specialists in this area of law or the Trump armchair lawyers on TV who say 'no', 'but but can't', 'but but Obama' to everything. Give me a nano second to consider this dichotomy!

Unless your a criminal attorney, we're all armchair attorneys.

Would you be sure enough to bet on that? ?

[Andaman Al]

5 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Unless your a criminal attorney, we're all armchair attorneys.

Would you be sure enough to bet on that? ?

What would you like me to bet on?

[A1Str8]

16 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

The global image of the US was at 64% favorable after the end of Obama's term.  Way down now.  But still at 49%.  So some must still have a positive image of the US.  And a still a long way to plunge if Trump keeps up his antics.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/global-image-us-has-plummeted-donald-trump-not-russia/

“I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself”

― Winston S. Churchill

[iReason]

22 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Unless your a criminal attorney, we're all armchair attorneys.

Would you be sure enough to bet on that? ?

 

Tell it to the Judge. 

 

You have the statute.

You have the precedent.

In black in white.

 

And that's just for starters.

 

It's a certainty that the Special Counsel will have his crack team on all of the charges.

 

 

Stand by.

True patriots are working on eradicating the rats from the White House.

All of them.  

 

Then, America will be great again.

[bushdoctor]

It's the desperation of the ill-informed left and wishful thinking. It will never happen. 

[bushdoctor]

37 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

What would you like me to bet on?

The stripey pajamas comment. 

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

It's the desperation of the ill-informed left and wishful thinking. It will never happen. 

Given the lack of verifiable facts leading up to this judgement, do you believe that you are among the well-informed?

[bushdoctor]

8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Given the lack of verifiable facts leading up to this judgement, do you believe that you are among the well-informed?

Without question. You should do some honest fact checking, but your bias probably won't allow it. 

 

 

[Chou Anou]

[craigt3365]

7 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

“I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself”

― Winston S. Churchill

Ummm....the stats are from an independent polling organization.  Not from the government.  Keep up....

[Jingthing]

59 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Ummm....the stats are from an independent polling organization.  Not from the government.  Keep up....

Yeah, agree, but it's a funny quote. Is it real? 

[craigt3365]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, agree, but it's a funny quote. Is it real? 

https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/726/famous-statistical-quotations

Quote

 

This quote seems to be known only in Germany and there is doubt that it is authentic, see the link below where the State Office of Statistics in Baden-Württemberg show results of their research about this quote (sorry its only available in German). The Times, e.g., said that they never heard about it. statistik.baden-wuerttemberg.de/Veroeffentl/Monatshefte/… – psj Nov 7 '10 at 10:58

 

The alternative form is "I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself" sometimes claimed to have been put into Churchill's mouth by Goebbels during a propaganda dispute over wartime losses. – Henry Nov 23 '11 at 22:40

 

 

https://ingmarweber.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/the-only-statistics-you-can-trust-are-those-you-falsified-yourself/

Quote

That’s a German “proverb” [“Traue keiner Statistik, die du nicht selber gefälscht hast.”] attributed to Winston Churchill, though it is in fact Nazi propaganda trying to discredit the statesman, which also explains that there is not just one “normalized” English form of the original but about 100 different versions translated from German to English. Winston Churchill didn’t even say “Lies, damned lies and statistics“, which is also often attributed to him.

 

It's a fake quote.  And somebody fell for it.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/726/famous-statistical-quotations

 

https://ingmarweber.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/the-only-statistics-you-can-trust-are-those-you-falsified-yourself/

 

It's a fake quote.  And somebody fell for it.

I kind of guessed that but fake quotes can be funny too. 

 

In the case of THIS topic, I tend to agree with the conclusion that the image of the USA has declined greatly because of the election of trump. Based on my anecdotal experience of talking to non-Americans. 

Edited July 15, 2017 by Jingthing

[boomerangutang]

I just looked at photo of Trump's visit to Paris to meet Macron.  There's a photo of the 2 men and their wives strolling.  It looks odd.  The wives are aloof/bored, and ARE WALKING ON COBBLESTONES IN STACCATO HIGH HEELS.  That's as practical as drinking soup with chopsticks.

 

For their part, the men look ok, but they're stuck in stiff business suits.  It's Nixonian.  If they want to connect with real people, they'd do well to dress in real people-type clothes; comfortable trousers, plaid shirts, comfortable shoes, etc. 

 

npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/14/537210524/macrons-strategy-for-trump-in-paris-long-handshakes-and-military-spectacles