New Immigration Rule???

[Tanoshi]

7 minutes ago, Rama said:

 If you are staying in a private home with no regular reporting, then the owner has to report it. The onus is on the owner of the property as they can be fined. In practice, most of the larger offices with many foreigners do not do; smaller offices will periodically enforce as they are following the rules more rigorously. 

I disagree.

Many owners are not available to file a TM30 or pay a fine.

The responsibility in these situations can fall on the foreigner, as the tenant and occupier of the private home.

 

Of course you could stand your ground and argue the point, refuse to pay any fine, but I think you'll find until the law has been complied with Immigration can be just as awkward and refuse your next 90 day report or extension application.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

I disagree.

Many owners are not available to file a TM30 or pay a fine.

The responsibility in these situations can fall on the foreigner, as the tenant and occupier of the private home.

 

Of course you could stand your ground and argue the point, refuse to pay any fine, but I think you'll find until the law has been complied with Immigration can be just as awkward and refuse your next 90 day report or extension application.

 

 

TM 30 is all about the HouseMaster/owner and is nothing to do with an alien tenant/occupier.

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, DavisH said:

I think the same applies if you go to another province for more than 24 hours (and stay with friends/family and not in a hotel). Personally, I've never bothered with that and not sure how it could be enforced. As for hotels, my wife usually books it and they have never asked for my name to do the TM30. 

Same applies to us as well. I cannot recall any hotel asking for my passport. And I certainly don't bother 'reporting in' after staying with relatives.

 

The 90 day report is irksome enough without complying with this nonsense.

[JackThompson]

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

TM 30 is all about the HouseMaster/owner and is nothing to do with an alien tenant/occupier.

That's what the people I saw complaining about paying fines said.  They got to go upstairs and talk with the boss, then came back down and paid the fine.  One person reported (in this forum) being shown every hotel he had stayed at in Thailand, and was told they could fine him for each of those domestic trips for which he did not file a TM-30 upon his return.  He opted to pay the single fine. 

 

I'm not saying this is "right" - I am just saying it is what someone who wants something from Immigration may end up having to do, depending on the polices at their particular office.

 

If planning to stay here long-term, it is my opinion that it is best to stay on the "good side" of your local immigration office, even if it is a PITA to make special trips, sometimes.

[Jip99]

Just now, JackThompson said:

That's what the people I saw complaining about paying fines said.  They got to go upstairs and talk with the boss, then came back down and paid the fine.  One person reported (in this forum) being shown every hotel he had stayed at in Thailand, and was told they could fine him for each of those domestic trips for which he did not file a TM-30 upon his return.  He opted to pay the single fine. 

 

I'm not saying this is "right" - I am just saying it is what someone who wants something from Immigration may end up having to do, depending on the polices at their particular office.

 

If I ever have to suffer that load of <deleted> Jack, I will get married and go back to having a Non Immigrant 'O' visa.

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

TM 30 is all about the HouseMaster/owner and is nothing to do with an alien tenant/occupier.

That's not what the Act states Jip.

 

The House Master is defined as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of
owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.
Immigration Act BE 2522.pdf

 

I've lived in two privately rented houses, in two separate Provinces where the owners were not available to file TM30's.

In both cases I filed as the 'tenant' with no issues whatsoever.

[Jip99]

Just now, Tanoshi said:

That's not what the Act states Jip.

 

The House Master is defined as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of
owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.
Immigration Act BE 2522.pdf

 

I've lived in two privately rented houses, in two separate Provinces where the owners were not available to file TM30's.

In both cases I filed as the 'tenant' with no issues whatsoever.

 

 

Thank you Tanoshi, I stand corrected.

 

I have the same issue as you and I plan to spend 2 weeks at a time at each location......................... Immigration could get fed up with me if I follow the rules to the letter.

[JackThompson]

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

If I ever have to suffer that load of <deleted> Jack, I will get married and go back to having a Non Immigrant 'O' visa.

I think this sort of thing, and requirements for odd-documentation (often from absent-landlords), is driving many to use Non-O 1-year Multi-Entry Visas obtained at consulates abroad.  I considered it myself, but for the time-being, am trying to do things through Immigration, rather than the MFA.

 

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

I have the same issue as you and I plan to spend 2 weeks at a time at each location......................... Immigration could get fed up with me if I follow the rules to the letter.

The same poster who reported the issue I cited above (being shown all his out-of-province hotel-stays) did exactly that.  He travels a lot, evidently, so they got fed-up and told him not to bother reporting unless he was gone for longer-stays or returned to a different address.  

 

I, on the other hand, have reported to the same office after a few short-trips, back to the same residence, and been given a new TM-30 receipt each time.  As they say in car-commercials, "Your Mileage May Vary."

[007 RED]

Ms MoneyBaht and I regularly travel to various parts of Thailand for holidays (as though life as a retiree isn’t already one long holiday).  These trips last anything from a couple of days to a couple of weeks.  We have stayed in a mix of guest houses and hotels.  Ms MoneyBaht always checks us in using her Thai ID and the guesthouse/hotel has never asked for my passport.  As a result, I doubt immigration have any record of my travels. 

Question 1….. How do I stand if the guesthouse/hotel has not registered me?  Should I inform my local IO when I go on ‘walkabouts’?

Ms MoneyBaht and I live in Phutthamonthon (house in Ms MoneyBaht’s name) which I consider to be my main place of residence.  I have a yellow book linked to the house and I’m registered with the Nakhon Pathom IO.  I also I have a condo (in my name) in BKK which Ms MoneyBaht and I use on a regular basis when we come into BKK shopping or need to visit the hospital etc. Stays at the condo are usually only a couple of nights at most.

Question 2… Should I also be registered with the local IO in BKK?

 

Many thanks in advance for any constructive comments.

[perthperson]

43 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

If I ever have to suffer that load of <deleted> Jack, I will get married and go back to having a Non Immigrant 'O' visa.

Brilliant idea !  Getting married will show em "  

 

Then your problems will begin but nothing to do with immigration  

[Jip99]

34 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

I think this sort of thing, and requirements for odd-documentation (often from absent-landlords), is driving many to use Non-O 1-year Multi-Entry Visas obtained at consulates abroad.  I considered it myself, but for the time-being, am trying to do things through Immigration, rather than the MFA.

 

The same poster who reported the issue I cited above (being shown all his out-of-province hotel-stays) did exactly that.  He travels a lot, evidently, so they got fed-up and told him not to bother reporting unless he was gone for longer-stays or returned to a different address.  

 

I, on the other hand, have reported to the same office after a few short-trips, back to the same residence, and been given a new TM-30 receipt each time.  As they say in car-commercials, "Your Mileage May Vary."

 

 

The Non Imm 'O' multi-entry will always remain an option held in reserve.

 

Jack, you are probably aware that Savannaket is the only place in the region that still does multi-entry Non-O's.

[Tanoshi]

34 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Thank you Tanoshi, I stand corrected.

 

I have the same issue as you and I plan to spend 2 weeks at a time at each location......................... Immigration could get fed up with me if I follow the rules to the letter.

I assume one of these addresses is already registered with your local Immigration office as your permanent place of residence?

 

If the other accommodation is a private address, do nothing else. Immigration won't have a clue you spent two weeks elsewhere in a private dwelling if you don't tell them.

My own office does not enforce any requirement to file a TM30 unless I move to a new permanent address, or leave Thailand and re-enter to take up my registered residence again. They are not interested in what they call 'short term temporary' accommodation staying elsewhere within Thailand's borders.

[Jip99]

Just now, Tanoshi said:

I assume one of these addresses is already registered with your local Immigration office as your permanent place of residence?

 

If the other accommodation is a private address, do nothing else. Immigration won't have a clue you spent two weeks elsewhere in a private dwelling if you don't tell them.

My own office does not enforce any requirement to file a TM30 unless I move to a new permanent address, or leave Thailand and re-enter to take up my registered residence again. They are not interested in what they call 'short term temporary' accommodation staying elsewhere within Thailand's borders.

 

Thanks..... bur the condo owner in Jomtien already submitted a TM30.

 

 

In all logic I would like to go to immigration and say "Look, you can find me anytime at either address 1 or address 2 (unless I am traveling around Thailand then the hotel will advise you where I am)"

[YetAnother]

3 hours ago, perthperson said:

Not true !   All hotels and guest houses are required to notify immigration of their foreign guests arrival - 

Okay thanks ;in this particular case my friend ,it really is my friend ,)has been gone for 5 months but he has retained his room in his guest house where he has stayed for six months before that

when he returns to that very same room in that very same Guest House does he have to re report ?

[perthperson]

Just now, YetAnother said:

Okay thanks ;in this particular case my friend ,it really is my friend ,)has been gone for 5 months but he has retained his room in his guest house where he has stayed for six months before that

when he returns to that very same room in that very same Guest House does he have to re report ?

If there is any reporting to be done it is the guest house's responsibility to do it. ...  As your friend will be arriving I expect they will.

[1SteveC]

20 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The Non Imm 'O' multi-entry will always remain an option held in reserve.

 

Jack, you are probably aware that Savannaket is the only place in the region that still does multi-entry Non-O's.

 

No, Savannakhet is the only place in the region that does Multi Non-O for marriage without any financial proof. Others will issue, but you need to show funds.

[Leonhard]

My wife was fined 300 baht at Buriram Office for not doing a TM30 when I returned from overseas. That was 3 weeks ago.

[YetAnother]

4 hours ago, DavisH said:

I think the same applies if you go to another province for more than 24 hours (and stay with friends/family and not in a hotel). Personally, I've never bothered with that and not sure how it could be enforced. As for hotels, my wife usually books it and they have never asked for my name to do the TM30. 

maybe, maybe that is why they are happier to receive the thai id than the farang's passport; my wife and i use that same technique

[YetAnother]

6 minutes ago, Leonhard said:

My wife was fined 300 baht at Buriram Office for not doing a TM30 when I returned from overseas. That was 3 weeks ago.

sounds like of those more 'friendly' offices

[brewsterbudgen]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

I think it's a fair assumption to state that almost every office requires a TM30 filing if you move to a new permanent address.

Some require a new TM30 filing if you leave and re-enter the Country.

Not seen any reports of refiling if you return home after staying in temporary residence within Thailand.

 

The law hasn't changed for a long time, it's just down to local offices what parts they choose to enforce.

Has Chaengwattana started requiring a TM30 if you change permanent address?  In the past, I've done annual extensions (based on work) and it's never been mentioned I use a new address.

[Leonhard]

My wife was fined 300 baht at Buriram Office for not doing TM30 when I returned from overseas. They threatened to fine her 3000 baht. This was 3 weeks ago.

[Jip99]

49 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

No, Savannakhet is the only place in the region that does Multi Non-O for marriage without any financial proof. Others will issue, but you need to show funds.

 

Steve, will others issue multi-entry............................I thought the others were only doing single entry.................once again, I am happy to stand corrected.

[DavisH]

41 minutes ago, Leonhard said:

My wife was fined 300 baht at Buriram Office for not doing a TM30 when I returned from overseas. That was 3 weeks ago.

How did that happen? Were you visiting immigration and they saw you had been overseas and the TM30 wasn't done?

 

[DavisH]

It seems immigration are really pushing for address reporting to be done. For the last two years, I have had to get housemaster forms filled to by my wife to report my residence at the time I got my non-B renewed. Immigration would not given the non-B without these forms. I'm at a loss as to why it was done the second time as my address didn't change and didn't go anywhere. This in the Nonthaburi office and all teachers at my school have to do this now. 

[perthperson]

Just now, DavisH said:

Immigration would not given the non-B

Immigration do not "renew" non-B Visas so what are you talking about ? 

[DavisH]

7 minutes ago, perthperson said:

Immigration do not "renew" non-B Visas so what are you talking about ? 

Extension of stay based on working (non-b). 

[hgma]

If i would do that,reporting to have a week in Korat Zoo, and reporting back, then immigration (NongKhai)would seriously have a second look at me and will ask if everything is and went well........

But up to the discretion of the officer in charge!

[qwertyuiop]

7 hours ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

They should be making it clear for everyone, same rules apply everywhere.

I wish for such a day to arrive. For now I would be happy with same application of rules & requirements by all IOs in the same office

[YetAnother]

59 minutes ago, hgma said:

But up to the discretion of the officer in charge!

this is where things could get fun; say there are two immigration officers at a small immigration office; one who is easier to work with; a local group gets together and agrees that that particular IO is the one to deal with; then they find out his/her schedule and all pile in only when that IO is there

[1SteveC]

5 hours ago, DavisH said:

Extension of stay based on working (non-b). 

 

Extension of stay based on working (non-b).