Just now, LannaGuy said:

You would jail British people who called Blair a murderer over Iraq?  and American's who called Bush a murderer over Afghanistan?  it's 'politico-speak' and people have used it for YEARS and that's what the two courts found. The defamation laws are used to shut the population down and anyone who supports this, no matter that this guy is an idiot, are totally wrong.

We are not in the UK or US, but in Thailand.. and here it was used to breed the hatred the redshirts display. Calling someone a murderer in 2009 (so has nothing to do with 2011). This speech was made around the time the red shirts attacked Abisith his car. These are the laws here I don't like them but for once they hit someone who deserves it.. i rather see him in jail for inciting the burning of BKK but that might come too. This guy his MO is to incite people to voilence. SO yea.. he deserves it. 

Just now, than said:

Lannaguy, Jatuporn was convict for a speech made in 2009 not for 2010 event.

Recheck your source you are so ridicules with your statements

See post 30

 

it's the principle that's at stake Thailand shuts down anyone who disagrees with the Amaart controlling everything and everyone from twerking to what they can say on FB

Just now, robblok said:

We are not in the UK or US, but in Thailand.. and here it was used to breed the hatred the redshirts display. Calling someone a murderer in 2009 (so has nothing to do with 2011). This speech was made around the time the red shirts attacked Abisith his car. These are the laws here I don't like them but for once they hit someone who deserves it.. i rather see him in jail for inciting the burning of BKK but that might come too. This guy his MO is to incite people to voilence. SO yea.. he deserves it. 

You should know better.... you cannot 'like' laws which you really hate just because they get one person you don't like. Either these laws are Ethical, Fair and True or they are not!

7 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

You should know better.... you cannot 'like' laws which you really hate just because they get one person you don't like. Either these laws are Ethical, Fair and True or they are not!

Your right its an unfair law, have called out against it many times but in this case I feel justice is served. He should be in jail for inciting the burning of BKK. That would be more just but for now this guy whos only job is to incite hatred.. look at his Abisith speech and his actions during the burning of BKK they show clearly what kind of person he is. He deserves to be in jail. Capone was taken out on tax fraud, this guy now on defamation a law used by all sides quite often. 

 

My main problem with the defamation law is more that it is used to suppress the truth and attack normal people.. In this case it did what it was made for, it punished a liar and a rebel rouser. I dislike it when the law is used against people like Andy Hall who told the truth. 

If anything, Abhisit,s major mistake was that he DID NOT take much stronger action against the redshirt thugs !  Prompan (aka Dogmouth) deserves everything he gets

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your right its an unfair law, have called out against it many times but in this case I feel justice is served. He should be in jail for inciting the burning of BKK. That would be more just but for now this guy whos only job is to incite hatred.. look at his Abisith speech and his actions during the burning of BKK they show clearly what kind of person he is. He deserves to be in jail. Capone was taken out on tax fraud, this guy now on defamation a law used by all sides quite often. 

 

My main problem with the defamation law is more that it is used to suppress the truth and attack normal people.. In this case it did what it was made for, it punished a liar and a rebel rouser. I dislike it when the law is used against people like Andy Hall who told the truth. 

You cannot have cake and eat it too. You either believe justice equal for all or justice just for enemy. How can have justice system if reason for law is just about what robblok feel is justice. Best way for no if justice system good or not is ask what if instead my enemy my mother or father or child be who subject to this justice. I see you hate jutaporn but this not good reason accept bad law. Because you accept bad law for jutaporn mean Andy hall now have problem bad law. Let go of the hate it is not healthy for you life.

4 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

If anything, Abhisit,s major mistake was that he DID NOT take much stronger action against the redshirt thugs !  Prompan (aka Dogmouth) deserves everything he gets

You are minority opinion.

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Don't let the fact that he blatantly committed an offense get in the way of your attempt to twist away from the seriousness of his blatant lies. 

Agreed this guy blatantly flaunted the law

Besides showing what a fool he is

17 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your right its an unfair law, have called out against it many times but in this case I feel justice is served. He should be in jail for inciting the burning of BKK. That would be more just but for now this guy whos only job is to incite hatred.. look at his Abisith speech and his actions during the burning of BKK they show clearly what kind of person he is. He deserves to be in jail. Capone was taken out on tax fraud, this guy now on defamation a law used by all sides quite often. 

 

My main problem with the defamation law is more that it is used to suppress the truth and attack normal people.. In this case it did what it was made for, it punished a liar and a rebel rouser. I dislike it when the law is used against people like Andy Hall who told the truth. 

But that is wrong thinking robblok. Law is supposed to be neutral and for all citizens. You cannot hate a virus but then say "oh but on this occasion it was right'.  The law is used to suppress the population. And, frankly, I see people calling people things all the time over politics.  Suthep was saying all sorts of terrible things yet he walks around freely - now why's that?

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

Plus, perhaps the UDD should think about it's image:

 

- Owner is a convicted absconded criminal.

- Chairperson now in jail.

 

But naah I guess they don't worry about their image getting in the way of their immoral activities.

 

But what do the rank and file think? Never mind, not their business, just put your mark where your told to on the ballot and everybody will be rich in six months. 

Interesting way to put it but I agree;

I would add that they have no idea what immoral is

11 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

If anything, Abhisit,s major mistake was that he DID NOT take much stronger action against the redshirt thugs !  Prompan (aka Dogmouth) deserves everything he gets

Like how they took out Khittiya and until today there's no investigation. 

1 minute ago, YetAnother said:

Interesting way to put it but I agree;

I would add that they have no idea what immoral is

Is coup immoral? Just asking. 

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

But that is wrong thinking robblok. Law is supposed to be neutral and for all citizens. You cannot hate a virus but then say "oh but on this occasion it was right'.  The law is used to suppress the population. And, frankly, I see people calling people things all the time over politics.  Suthep was saying all sorts of terrible things yet he walks around freely - now why's that?

I say it again its a bad law, but in this case it did its job. As for Suthep I am no fan of his and I would not mind him going to jail. But id like you to google a bit and see that the man from Dubai used this law often too. So I am not that bothered when it hits one of his minions. 

 

I am bothered when it helps to silence the truth, but in this case the law did exactly what it was made for. Stopping the spread of hatred and lies. Totally different case as when this same law is used to silence people like Andy Hall. So yea i dislike MISUSE of this law. This was no misuse this is just. 

 

I can't tell you why Suthep is in jail.. can you tell me why Jatupron is still not in jail for inciting people to burn BKK (plenty of video evidence for that) ? 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Is coup immoral? Just asking. 

Absolutely not applicable;

Morality is a code defined at the individual person's level, their own code of right and wrong; it cannot be superimposed on a group or what amounts to a political cause such as a coup

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I say it again its a bad law, but in this case it did its job. As for Suthep I am no fan of his and I would not mind him going to jail. But id like you to google a bit and see that the man from Dubai used this law often too. So I am not that bothered when it hits one of his minions. 

 

I am bothered when it helps to silence the truth, but in this case the law did exactly what it was made for. Stopping the spread of hatred and lies. Totally different case as when this same law is used to silence people like Andy Hall. So yea i dislike MISUSE of this law. This was no misuse this is just. 

 

I can't tell you why Suthep is in jail.. can you tell me why Jatupron is still not in jail for inciting people to burn BKK (plenty of video evidence for that) ? 

To make it simple:  one is free and one is going to jail

 

but it's not politics right?

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I say it again its a bad law, but in this case it did its job. As for Suthep I am no fan of his and I would not mind him going to jail. But id like you to google a bit and see that the man from Dubai used this law often too. So I am not that bothered when it hits one of his minions. 

 

I am bothered when it helps to silence the truth, but in this case the law did exactly what it was made for. Stopping the spread of hatred and lies. Totally different case as when this same law is used to silence people like Andy Hall. So yea i dislike MISUSE of this law. This was no misuse this is just. 

 

I can't tell you why Suthep is in jail.. can you tell me why Jatupron is still not in jail for inciting people to burn BKK (plenty of video evidence for that) ? 

Well we can hope that suthep's Antics and Jatuporn's other Antics will catch up with them

I honestly hope that no one doubts why suthep is still walking around free

20 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

You cannot have cake and eat it too. You either believe justice equal for all or justice just for enemy. How can have justice system if reason for law is just about what robblok feel is justice. Best way for no if justice system good or not is ask what if instead my enemy my mother or father or child be who subject to this justice. I see you hate jutaporn but this not good reason accept bad law. Because you accept bad law for jutaporn mean Andy hall now have problem bad law. Let go of the hate it is not healthy for you life.

The problem with the Andy Hall situation is the criminalisation of defamation;

A remarkably bad part of Thai Law;

Just look who uses it and why

6 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

Absolutely not applicable;

Morality is a code defined at the individual person's level, their own code of right and wrong; it cannot be superimposed on a group or what amounts to a political cause such as a coup

Interesting definition. Have heard many times that ISIL is immoral and sure they are a group. Staging a coup is beyond standard of morality by disregarding the people's mandate and seizing power by brute force. Wicked and evil methods to subjugate the people by intimidation and arrests are immoral. Not holding election against the wishes of the people is immoral. Forcing acceptance of a constitution is immoral. Coup is certainly immoral. 

38 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

You cannot have cake and eat it too. You either believe justice equal for all or justice just for enemy. How can have justice system if reason for law is just about what robblok feel is justice. Best way for no if justice system good or not is ask what if instead my enemy my mother or father or child be who subject to this justice. I see you hate jutaporn but this not good reason accept bad law. Because you accept bad law for jutaporn mean Andy hall now have problem bad law. Let go of the hate it is not healthy for you life.

The problem with the Andy Hall situation is the criminalisation of defamation;

A remarkably bad part of Thai Law;

Just look who uses it and why

Overlooked in this is the idiocy of the logic in the two lower Court's rulings

To me ,that is the scary part

40 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

To make it simple:  one is free and one is going to jail

 

but it's not politics right?

Why is he still walking while there are charges against him for inciting the burning of BKK... but its not politics right..

 

You don't know how the Thai justice system functions (or dis-functions ) and neither do I but Jaturporn is a dangerous individual who's job is to incite hatred. He has demonstrated it and now is caught by a law exactly for that purpose. The law has not been misused like in the case of Andy Hall or me if I were to take pictures of a famous supermarket with rats walking and i posted it (not that I have such pictures) but you get what I mean.

 

At one side its used to suppress the truth and freedom of information.. and I am against that, but punishment for lies and inciting of hatred is good. 

Free speech not allowed. Big Brother is stalking you. Abisihit is no saint either.

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Now that the court has ruled a less important case of defamation, they should move on to the more serious charges of who ordered the shooting of the people in the Wat. 

To respect the chronology of events, shouldn't the Court first rule about the charges against the UDD leaders...?

It was 2 out of 3. He's innocent.

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2 hours ago, robblok said:

I don't like the defamation laws here, but in this case I make an exception. 

I don't like the highway police shakedowns either but when I am in a hurry to get home, it's OK.

18 minutes ago, bangrak said:

To respect the chronology of events, shouldn't the Court first rule about the charges against the the UDD leaders...?

If the chronological events to be respected, shouldn't the court be ruling on the 2008 government house blockade charges by the PAD before the charge against Jatuporn. 

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28 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why is he still walking while there are charges against him for inciting the burning of BKK... but its not politics right..

 

You don't know how the Thai justice system functions (or dis-functions ) and neither do I but Jaturporn is a dangerous individual who's job is to incite hatred. He has demonstrated it and now is caught by a law exactly for that purpose. The law has not been misused like in the case of Andy Hall or me if I were to take pictures of a famous supermarket with rats walking and i posted it (not that I have such pictures) but you get what I mean.

 

At one side its used to suppress the truth and freedom of information.. and I am against that, but punishment for lies and inciting of hatred is good. 

And Suthep taking over BKK?  mobsters on the streets?  elections disrupted?  let alone the airport take-over.  I'd call that 'inciting hatred' and action and FAR FAR WORSE than this guy yet he walks free with that stupid grin on his face?  cummon...

3 hours ago, Pridilives said:

Not live fire zone

Designate safe zone for women children elderly and infirm.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/troops-killed-red-shirts-hiding-in-temple-official-report-admits-2157436.html

That figures, that why the supper hero red thugs bolted in there like rats down the drain. 

Discuss debate the topic but DONT get personal please.