WP extenaion after expiry within country with same employer

[Xpat253]

19 minutes ago, Here2008 said:

Unless the 'sponsor' provides documentation you will be unable to obtain a "B" visa/extension of stay or a WP. 

I mean local sponsor want to send their agents with all docs required. They dont want to give their docs to  me, this is fishy.

They said they will do all in one day, visa extension and then wp.

So my fear is because all docs and forms are in thai language, they may take my signatures on all forms and they would definately ask my original docs on the day. So they can go cancel the visa first then stamp a new extension on passport and then after they would apply wp. If this happened, In this case overstay would apply. 

Why i doubt they would do this because when i said i want new wp first and then visa laters they refused to handover docs to me instead want to send docs with agents because they know i want to apply new wp first, they may want to do otherway and they kept saying this is process. Which i highly doubt. Thats why i am asking here to know is it the process??? If not then on the day in onestop how can deal with agents of local sponsor to push the wp first. 

[Xpat253]

47 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

If it looks like your sponsor is going to cancel your current permission-of-stay, then I would leave the country with the wife, first.  Then, from your first post:

They want to do extension of visa first, (still have 1 more month before visa expiration), but we all know when bisa extension happens the old visa is stamped cancel/used on passport. Even if the next year extension is granted within country before getting a new wp the problem arises: while they do this visa extension even without flying out, the WP would still be old one i.e. expired. This may lead to overstay fine.

That is why i am asking; Is it a right process to get new wp first and then go for visa extension on the same day in onestop office.

 

[JackThompson]

42 minutes ago, Xpat253 said:

They said they will do all in one day, visa extension and then wp.

Are they now NOT saying they want you to leave the country, as part of this process?

 

2 minutes ago, Xpat253 said:

They want to do extension of visa first, (still have 1 more month before visa expiration), but we all know when bisa extension happens the old visa is stamped cancel/used on passport. Even if the next year extension is granted within country before getting a new wp the problem arises: while they do this visa extension even without flying out, the WP would still be old one i.e. expired. This may lead to overstay fine.

That is why i am asking; Is it a right process to get new wp first and then go for visa extension on the same day in onestop office.

 

I think you are on an extension of stay from a local Immigration office - not on a permitted-stay based a Visa from a consulate abroad (though you may have started out with this).

I do not know how you can get an extension-of-stay from Immigration Based on Work when you don't have a valid work-permit.  Maybe someone else has heard of conditions where this is possible.

 

I have no idea why your sponsor would attempt to make you pay fines for their failure to renew your work-permit, since they refuse to let you handle these matters, yourself.  They and Their Agents insist on handling your visa and work-permit, and they have screwed things up.  They should fix your problem and pay for any/all costs associated with the problem - including airfare and etc if you have to leave the country during the process.

Can someone with more WP/Visa experience comment on the OP's current situation? 

How can he best cover his bases?

All I can suggest is hiring your own agent/lawyer to ensure your interests are protected.

[Xpat253]

When cancel the visa at immigration who pay the overstay ? Sponsor company or employee?

 

Does employee hold the right refuse to pay overstay and still process visa cancellation?

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Xpat253 said:

When cancel the visa at immigration who pay the overstay ? Sponsor company or employee?

 

Does employee hold the right refuse to pay overstay and still process visa cancellation?

You pay for overstay of an extension of stay.  You could ask your employer if they will agree to do so, since they botched the re-application process, but, ultimately, it's your problem, even though your employer was actively preventing your solving it, by refusing to provide the documents you needed to renew your work-permit. 

I'm not sure if you could file a lawsuit against your employer for refusing to give you the documents you need to update your work-permit, and also failing to do it themselves; you could ask a lawyer about that, but likely the lawyer-fees would exceed the fine.

I would not recommend refusing to pay a fine on-demand, as that would probably lead to jail.  OTOH, if your extension has not yet been canceled by your employer, you could leave the country by air and not pay a fine, which would also cancel the extension.  But to come back on a fresh Non-B Visa, your employer would need to provide you with the documents to apply for a Non-B visa abroad.  If they would simply give you those, you could apply for a work-permit in-country - but they seem unwilling to do so.