United Nations bans key North Korea exports over missile tests

[Morch]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Do you play poker? No.

 

The point is that we know what Un wants; to remain in power

 

But, he is threatening the West; huge loss of face

 

So he has to take his punishment but gets to keep his kingdom

 

Why would he want to risk all?

 

Basta!

 

Easy to call such shots sitting behind a keyboard. Those aren't chips on the table, but people.  There is no certainty how Kim would react, and pretending "we" got him figured out is a myth.  He's not threatening "the West" - but rather, neighboring countries, and possibly the US.

 

[craigt3365]

8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Remember when the West promised Qaddafi that if he gave up his nuclear program all would be forgiven? How did that work out for him? I think the Kims look at instances like that as object lessons. There but for the grace of Satan...

Worked out great!  Sadly, he was still treating his people poorly.  So, they revolted.  It was part of the Arab Spring uprisings.  Nothing at all to do with nuclear programs.  LOL  Quite a stretch.

 

The same could very well happen to Kim.  Nuclear weapons won't help him then.

[Grouse]

22 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Remember when the West promised Qaddafi that if he gave up his nuclear program all would be forgiven? How did that work out for him? I think the Kims look at instances like that as object lessons. There but for the grace of Satan...

Correct, same for Ukraine. 

 

But, time to draw a line in the sand.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Easy to call such shots sitting behind a keyboard. Those aren't chips on the table, but people.  There is no certainty how Kim would react, and pretending "we" got him figured out is a myth.  He's not threatening "the West" - but rather, neighboring countries, and possibly the US.

 

Game theory

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Worked out great!  Sadly, he was still treating his people poorly.  So, they revolted.  It was part of the Arab Spring uprisings.  Nothing at all to do with nuclear programs.  LOL  Quite a stretch.

 

The same could very well happen to Kim.  Nuclear weapons won't help him then.

 

Nuclear weapons mean he can put down a potential rebellion any which way he sees fit, with other countries less likely to interfere.

[Morch]

Just now, Grouse said:

Game theory

 

Yes. Lets just try to bear in mind this isn't a game, and that the situation is actual rather than theoretical.

Like I said, easy to call these shots when you can later say "oh well...this went tits up.".

 

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes. Lets just try to bear in mind this isn't a game, and that the situation is actual rather than theoretical.

Like I said, easy to call these shots when you can later say "oh well...this went tits up.".

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory

[vandv]

1 hour ago, maewang99 said:

stop talking about the North Korean regime as if it were one little fat guy.

in fact... 2371 names 9 individuals... none of them end in "Un".

 

 

a lot of the simple minded boys on here just believe what they read/see on western media......in this case the james bond type villain.......

[Deli]

Destabalizing this country wouldn't be too difficult. But what about the people after a collapse and kicking little fat monkey out ?

South Korea is smart enough not to repeat Germany's error from 1989.

[baboon]

1 hour ago, Deli said:

Destabalizing this country wouldn't be too difficult. But what about the people after a collapse and kicking little fat monkey out ?

South Korea is smart enough not to repeat Germany's error from 1989.

OK, so what happens? Will the US take in as many who want to go there?

[Scott]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

OK, so what happens? Will the US take in as many who want to go there?

You raise an interesting point and one that gets to the crux of the long-term situation.   It may be reasonably easy to neutralize the nuclear threat of NK, but the aftermath is going to be horrendous.  

 

In the past, the US has spent huge amounts on reconstruction efforts in countries and has taken in millions of refugees from the affected areas.   China is unlikely to involve itself without major territorial claims.   It is hard to predict how receptive the S. Koreans will be to their N.Korean counterparts.   It's even hard to predict how the N. Koreans will feel toward the South.  

 

This particular US administration is less willing to commit to long term reconstruction and assistance.   If you're not going to do that, it's best to steer clear of a conflict, if at all possible.  

[baboon]

7 minutes ago, Scott said:

You raise an interesting point and one that gets to the crux of the long-term situation.   It may be reasonably easy to neutralize the nuclear threat of NK, but the aftermath is going to be horrendous.  

 

In the past, the US has spent huge amounts on reconstruction efforts in countries and has taken in millions of refugees from the affected areas.   China is unlikely to involve itself without major territorial claims.   It is hard to predict how receptive the S. Koreans will be to their N.Korean counterparts.   It's even hard to predict how the N. Koreans will feel toward the South.  

 

This particular US administration is less willing to commit to long term reconstruction and assistance.   If you're not going to do that, it's best to steer clear of a conflict, if at all possible.  

Just one quibble - you neglected to mention Russia. I don't imagine they will be any keener than China, the US or South Korea to take people in. Then there is the possibility of a Korean client state of the US on their eastern border too: they share a 17 Kilometre border with the DPRK.

 

We don't need this. The rest of the world doesn't need this. I say we should let things be as regarding the Korean peninsula. Our interference will only make it worse.

[craigt3365]

5 hours ago, baboon said:

Just one quibble - you neglected to mention Russia. I don't imagine they will be any keener than China, the US or South Korea to take people in. Then there is the possibility of a Korean client state of the US on their eastern border too: they share a 17 Kilometre border with the DPRK.

 

We don't need this. The rest of the world doesn't need this. I say we should let things be as regarding the Korean peninsula. Our interference will only make it worse.

Just one quibble.  The rest of the world doesn't need the nuclear threat from NK.  If they let this go, peace would prevail.  More or less. LOL.

 

Until then, they've got to accept the consequences of their actions.  Which have been going on for decades.  ASEAN agrees NK has to stop.  The UN agrees.  The major powers agree, as shown by the solidarity with the recent UN resolution.  Only a few are saying to leave it alone. LOL

[maewang99]

maybe there is something wrong with my browser. why does it post my message 2 times?




 

Edited August 7, 2017 by maewang99

[maewang99]

how does this work?

do they use Social Security numbers?
 

so let's say your name is Ted Cruz and Congress copycats the UN and says anyone with the name Ted Cruz has their bank accounts seized.

the whole gist of how this UN resolution just might work.... is that they named 9 big money guys.... by *****name*****.

so how do they identify them besides their name?

the website shows 2371 but when you select it says "document not available"....

so it's like.....  forgetaboutit.... how about showing us some more pictures of a laughing King Jung Un.... so we can go back to day dreaming that this is like a movie or TV show with a big evil guy versus our hero du jour... as long as my hero is a XXXXX guy... yes???????

how do they identify these folks? put their picture with a smiling Kim Jung Un to help the banks figure it out? or use their New York drivers license numbers to id them? hello????


 

Edited August 7, 2017 by maewang99