Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

[lemonjelly]

The old fashioned Jamaican sensi was a chilled smoke, but the modern "skunk" strains (white widow etc) did put me on edge. Still sometimes yearn for a good quality block of "Red Lebanese".... prolly extinct now.

 

 

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[Justgrazing]

5 hours ago, Gary A said:

If that is wrong on all counts, then it must affect different people in different ways. Many years ago I had a girlfriend who was a pothead.  I wasn't a user but I had a couple puffs from hers. I stopped a traffic light and when the guy behind me honked his horn, The light had turned green, I had no idea where I was at or which way to go.

Sounds like it was good gear then .. .. No doubt this emo's gonna be used a few times in the course of this little chinwag .. 

[beautifulthailand99]

9 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

Sounds like it was good gear then .. .. No doubt this emo's gonna be used a few times in the course of this little chinwag .. 

[Justgrazing]

12 minutes ago, lemonjelly said:

The old fashioned Jamaican sensi was a chilled smoke, but the modern "skunk" strains (white widow etc) did put me on edge. Still sometimes yearn for a good quality block of "Red Lebanese".... prolly extinct now.

 

 

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Red Leb along with other "strains."  of hash like Afghan black , double zero etc are still available in Europe but the scene moved more to homegrown and Bud' or  " green " back in the nineties to the point where green now holds 80/90 % of market share in Brit' Land ..  Not forgetting the synthetic version of ganga called Spice .. Which judging by some of the youtube videos of people who have tooted it you don't want to try .. 

[Guest Jerry787]

who funded the study ?
how independent was the research ?

indeed what ever kind of warm or cold smoke we inject in our lungs and broncs it's a damaging foreign agent to our lung with several consequences not only blood pressure.

medical cannabis isn't smoked, indeed it's ingested.

 

[boomerangutang]

In the early 1970's, I was in Wash. DC and met a middle aged man who had been working with a federally appointed commission to study the effects of smoking pot.  After a lot of investigation and interviews, they came up with a conclusion that basically claimed; 'pot is not harmful'.    Nixon didn't like the findings, so he trashed the report.  Nixon started the official 'War on Drugs' .....and look how well that's turned out over the ensuing decades.

[nisakiman]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

If marijuana use is implicated in cardiovascular diseases and deaths, then it rests on the health community and policy makers to protect the public."

 

No, it doesn't rest on the 'health community' and policy makers to 'protect' the public. We've gone much too far down this road already, with the lifestyle police telling us how we should live our lives.

Inform - yes.

Force through application of unjust law - no.

 

'Public Health' has over the past few decades gone from an institution designed to ensure clean water supplies and to react to communicable diseases and has turned into a many-headed serpent intent on micromanaging people's lives according to the latest PC fashion of the day. They've destroyed the pleasures of tobacco with their draconian bans, medico-porn plastered all over the packs and persecution of smokers; they are in the process of trying to do the same with alcohol, already demanding 'warning labels' and 'plain' packaging for booze, plus numerous restrictions on how, when and where you can drink; sugar is the next dragon they wish to slay with punitive legislation, salt too. The list gets ever longer.

 

Oh, they won't run out of stuff to try to ban. Their existence depends on creating scare stories about stuff which they can then lobby gullible politicians (who generally know sweet FA about the stuff they legislate) to ban. They've been at it for years. "Experts have said....", "Research suggests...." are their favourite introductory phrases, usually culminating in "More research is needed...", which roughly translated means "We want more taxpayer's money".

 

If the charlatans in 'Public Health' were all sacked tomorrow, the world would be a better place. And probably healthier, too.

 

They have created a situation in which evidence based policy is a thing of the past. It's all now policy based evidence. Honesty and ethics left the room a long time ago.

[Justgrazing]

2 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

For comparison, let's see a report of risk-assessment of the following.....

 

>>>>  ingesting sugar-laden products

>>>>  trans-fats

>>>>  alcoholic drinks

>>>>  living a city with a lot of traffic

>>>>  residing next to a plastics factory

>>>>  residing in a house with no proper venting for plumbing.

>>>>  sleeping in a bed with dust mites. Very few beds/pillows/bedding are mite-free. Some have up to 200,000/per sq.inch.

an article about mites in bedding;  nytimes.com/2011/03/05/health/05patient.html

 

 

 

Living with a Thai girl should be risk assessed .. Particularly " highly strung " ones .. 

[Scott]

Like anything that is classed as a drug, it will have widely varying side affects.   I always enjoy listening to the side affects for drugs -- even life saving drugs -- on television in the US.   Such things as "Side affects may include, constipation, diarrhea, high blood pressure, low blood pressure.....etc., etc., "

 

Studies such as this will have to be replicated in a much more controlled setting, or with more uniform controls.   Many of them are observational type studies, based on reporting by the person.   And those may not be accurate.

 

Like a friend of mine, who is a policeman once said, he feels so sorry for all those people he picks up fro drinking who managed to spent 6 or 7 hours in a bar and get really, really drunk, but only had one beer!"  

 

[bendejo]

It looks like smoking it is going out of style, in favor of vaping and eating it.

Vaping is easier on the respiratory system and the smell not so obvious and permeating.  The high may not be as intense, but this is not a discussion of techniques and euphoric effects. 

 

Eating it is a whole other experience, and in the US states where it is legal the shops heavily promote edibles.  These are full-fledged commercial products with branding, logos, promotional literature, etc.  It has been a very long time since I ate it, and did so only 2 or 3 times (back in the 1970s) .  The experiences, in my case, were not fun.  When I go into a shop the person behind the counter tries to get me to buy edibles:  shut up, kid.

 

With Li'l Jeff-ro Sessions and his hard-on against weed it is no surprise that reports like this are getting media attention, so expect more of them, and with more (supposed) dire consequences.  I suspect the liquor industry has something to do with this, there has been concern that young people buying weed will have less to spend on alcohol.  Expect more stuff like this, and things like "[insert heinous crime here] linked to marijuana use!"  Of course this flies in the face of the populist stance on state's rights issues, with so many states licking their chops over the potential revenue gains from collecting taxes on legalized weed.

 

 

 

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

In the early 1970's, I was in Wash. DC and met a middle aged man who had been working with a federally appointed commission to study the effects of smoking pot.  After a lot of investigation and interviews, they came up with a conclusion that basically claimed; 'pot is not harmful'.    Nixon didn't like the findings, so he trashed the report.  Nixon started the official 'War on Drugs' .....and look how well that's turned out over the ensuing decades.

Might his decision to reject said report be part influenced by the number of stoned G I's ( allegedly ) fighting the other war the U S were involved in at about the same time especially the availability of Narc's in this region .. 

I can only imagine that the requirement for a report came about ( in part .? ) from seeing how U S young people seemed to get be getting high as kits during the late 60's .. at least that's how it appears if you watch any of their music festivals of the time .. I've yet to see one without loads of people with flowers stuck in their hair , doing groovy dancing and smoking joints .. Interesting point you make that ..  

[Justgrazing]

8 hours ago, piersbeckett said:

We never used to put the roach in first; is it a filter?

Its that personal choice thing again .. Roach is not a filter per'se but does help the rocket retain some rigidity during blast off .. Some folk prefer the in situ roll .. for others its poked in after roll .. Some rip a strip off the paper packet others use ready cropped .. The rolling of spliffs is such an art of the individual that it's almost as signature as you're handwriting .. 

[Justgrazing]

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

It looks like smoking it is going out of style, in favor of vaping and eating it.

Vaping is easier on the respiratory system and the smell not so obvious and permeating.  The high may not be as intense, but this is not a discussion of techniques and euphoric effects. 

 

Eating it is a whole other experience, and in the US states where it is legal the shops heavily promote edibles.  These are full-fledged commercial products with branding, logos, promotional literature, etc.  It has been a very long time since I ate it, and did so only 2 or 3 times (back in the 1970s) .  The experiences, in my case, were not fun.  When I go into a shop the person behind the counter tries to get me to buy edibles:  shut up, kid.

 

With Li'l Jeff-ro Sessions and his hard-on against weed it is no surprise that reports like this are getting media attention, so expect more of them, and with more (supposed) dire consequences.  I suspect the liquor industry has something to do with this, there has been concern that young people buying weed will have less to spend on alcohol.  Expect more stuff like this, and things like "[insert heinous crime here] linked to marijuana use!"  Of course this flies in the face of the populist stance on state's rights issues, with so many states licking their chops over the potential revenue gains from collecting taxes on legalized weed.

 

 

 

" Shatter " as its known is the purest form of extraction from cannabis plants which in Britland is now the majority form of the drug ( imported hash is a minority player now ) and is usually obtained using a butane gas process .. If folk don't blow thereselves up during that process they're left with an oil that looks like dark honey and when eventually dried resembles a ( thin ) sheet of toffee from which the name shatter is derived .. That is then tooted through a small bong or vaper only a very small amount being required as what is drawn is pretty much pure .. This amongst others is how yoof want their weed nowadays so the culture of the old school spliff made partly with tobacco is not as pop' as it was .. 

Other folk cookie it some coffee it .. 

 

Society at large seems to be undecided .. Some countries are tolerant of it others dead against .. Some nations make money out of it (  tax ) others spend ( alot ) trying to rid of it .. It's medicinal qualities are well known but the controversy surrounding its recro " status make better headlines where its not legal .. Its that personal choice thing again .. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 

But on a more serious note, this sounds like a sponsored work either by Big Tobacco, Big Beer or Big Pharma.  I can think of a hundred reasons people prone to high blood pressure may be more likely to smoke pot, and people who smoke pot are likely to be the same people with health problems that had nothing to do with the weed.

 

 

One thing I thought was odd about this study and news report is that the study was done by academics at Georgia State Univ. in the U.S. -- not exactly a hub of major medical research AFAIK. But then, it wasn't even published in a major U.S. medical journal like JAMA, but instead, surfaces in a European cardiology journal. That part seems a bit strange. Why not accepted for publication in one of the major U.S. journals.  Perhaps there is some good reason...

 

I'm not up on marijuana medical research enough to know whether other past research by perhaps more recognized researchers has pointed to any hypertension/blood pressure dangers relating to marijuana.

 

 

[rice555]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

Like anything that is classed as a drug, it will have widely varying side affects.   I always enjoy listening to the side affects for drugs -- even life saving drugs -- on television in the US.   Such things as "Side affects may include, constipation, diarrhea, high blood pressure, low blood pressure.....etc., etc., "

 

Studies such as this will have to be replicated in a much more controlled setting, or with more uniform controls.   Many of them are observational type studies, based on reporting by the person.   And those may not be accurate.

 

Like a friend of mine, who is a policeman once said, he feels so sorry for all those people he picks up fro drinking who managed to spent 6 or 7 hours in a bar and get really, really drunk, but only had one beer!"  

 

Had a friend that never was able to finish 1 bottle, he was on the floor.

rice555

[SiSePuede419]

Not entirely true...

 

"Marijuana may cause low blood pressure."

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/safety/hrb-20059701

 

Low bood pressure is the opposite of high blood pressure. ?

[georgemandm]

12 hours ago, fasteddie said:

You have obviously never smoked it, you're wrong on all counts.

No you are wrong on all counts.

it is just (????) the long team  Side effects are very bad .

if you want smoke it , up to you , but by making it  legal  encourages young kids to smoke more.

i have seen want it dose to people, but hard to tell those people who smoke it , it is no  good for you , like junkies can't be told .

 

[eeyang wah]

15 hours ago, impulse said:

But on a more serious note, this sounds like a sponsored work either by Big Tobacco, Big Beer or Big Pharma.  I can think of a hundred reasons people prone to high blood pressure may be more likely to smoke pot, and people who smoke pot are likely to be the same people with health problems that had nothing to do with the weed.  

 

Just like people who go to hospitals more often are more likely to be sick.  Yet, I don't see anyone pointing at the hospitals.

Excellent post, especially the part quoted above. Sadly, very few people will have the intelligence to see this logic so stupid will prevail, public opinion will be swayed and big pharma/beer/tobacco will get their way. Again. 

[eeyang wah]

3 hours ago, georgemandm said:

making it  legal  encourages young kids to smoke more.

I would say quite the opposite is true. Legalising means you can regulate. 

[georgemandm]

42 minutes ago, eeyang wah said:

I would say quite the opposite is true. Legalising means you can regulate. 

No way , but up to you 

a joke to smoke that  rubbish 

seen what that rubbish dose to people.

have you seen what that rubbish dose ?.

[Golgota]

Just now, georgemandm said:

No way , but up to you 

a joke to smoke that  rubbish 

seen what that rubbish dose to people.

have you seen what that rubbish dose ?.

Yeap : they make them mellow, tend to smile,  avoid conflicts...

Remember the good old day when all those Hippies killed and broke everything.

 

Have a beer while thinking of it

[ilostmypassword]

4 hours ago, georgemandm said:

No you are wrong on all counts.

it is just (????) the long team  Side effects are very bad .

if you want smoke it , up to you , but by making it  legal  encourages young kids to smoke more.

i have seen want it dose to people, but hard to tell those people who smoke it , it is no  good for you , like junkies can't be told .

 

There has been no rise in teen usage of marijuana in Colorada after it was legalized. In fact, quite the contrary.

 

After legalization, teen marijuana use drops sharply in Colorado

Teen marijuana use fell sharply in Colorado in the years 2014 and 2015, after the opening of that state's recreational marijuana market, new federal survey data show.

The state-level data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health showed that 18.35 percent of Coloradans ages 12 to 17 had used marijuana in the past year in 2014 or 2015, down sharply from 20.81 percent in 2013/2014. (In this survey, years are paired for state-level data to provide larger sample sizes). That works out to roughly a 12 percent drop in marijuana use, year-over-year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/21/one-of-the-greatest-fears-about-legalizing-marijuana-has-so-far-failed-to-happen/?utm_term=.cc69ebc62e02

[Golgota]

Just now, ilostmypassword said:

There has been no rise in teen usage of marijuana in Colorada after it was legalized. In fact, quite the contrary.

 

After legalization, teen marijuana use drops sharply in Colorado

Teen marijuana use fell sharply in Colorado in the years 2014 and 2015, after the opening of that state's recreational marijuana market, new federal survey data show.

The state-level data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health showed that 18.35 percent of Coloradans ages 12 to 17 had used marijuana in the past year in 2014 or 2015, down sharply from 20.81 percent in 2013/2014. (In this survey, years are paired for state-level data to provide larger sample sizes). That works out to roughly a 12 percent drop in marijuana use, year-over-year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/21/one-of-the-greatest-fears-about-legalizing-marijuana-has-so-far-failed-to-happen/?utm_term=.cc69ebc62e02

Of course teen use drop...

Anyway the thing to remember is how well prohibition worked...and the bright days we had at the time in US

[georgemandm]

10 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

There has been no rise in teen usage of marijuana in Colorada after it was legalized. In fact, quite the contrary.

 

After legalization, teen marijuana use drops sharply in Colorado

Teen marijuana use fell sharply in Colorado in the years 2014 and 2015, after the opening of that state's recreational marijuana market, new federal survey data show.

The state-level data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health showed that 18.35 percent of Coloradans ages 12 to 17 had used marijuana in the past year in 2014 or 2015, down sharply from 20.81 percent in 2013/2014. (In this survey, years are paired for state-level data to provide larger sample sizes). That works out to roughly a 12 percent drop in marijuana use, year-over-year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/21/one-of-the-greatest-fears-about-legalizing-marijuana-has-so-far-failed-to-happen/?utm_term=.cc69ebc62e02

So what ,dose not mean one thing.

i have seen the  Side affect of that rubbish.

if you had kids would you want them to be able to buy that rubbish though someone?. 

My  opinion .

[Gary A]

I don't put much faith in these "studies". Statistics can me manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. As far as higher or lower blood pressure caused by pot, it simply affects different people in different ways. Some people who are stoned sit down and stare into space. Others become chatterboxes. I suspect that the people staring into space have lower blood pressure than those who chatter non stop.

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, georgemandm said:

So what ,dose not mean one thing.

i have seen the  Side affect of that rubbish.

if you had kids would you want them to be able to buy that rubbish though someone?. 

My  opinion .

It means that what you asserted   "but by making it  legal  encourages young kids to smoke more" is false. So if it doesn't mean anything, that can only mean that what you wrote doesn't mean anything either. But just because what you wrote is false, that doesn't make it meaningless. 

[georgemandm]

33 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

It means that what you asserted   "but by making it  legal  encourages young kids to smoke more" is false. So if it doesn't mean anything, that can only mean that what you wrote doesn't mean anything either. But just because what you wrote is false, that doesn't make it meaningless. 

You are wrong ok , it just says that they had a drop in kids smoking that bs .

people who smoke that rubbish will go on and on about how it should be   Legalized  .

you have no idea what it is doing to to the body of those people who smoke it ,  but up to them you , as long as they don't want a free hand out with  hospital care when they are going to die from  long term smoking . 

like all  types of smoking be it the rubbish  marijuana , that people smoke or the other rubbish  cigarettes .

They should do it in there own homes and kill they self and not the people around them  when theu want to smoke. 

Like I say they want to kill they selfs up to them .

i think thailand most get the worst  type of people from all over the world ,  living in thailand.

 Marijuana smokers and  alcoholics .

 

 

[Golgota]

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

You are wrong ok , it just says that they had a drop in kids smoking that bs .

people who smoke that rubbish will go on and on about how it should be   Legalized  .

you have no idea what it is doing to to the body of those people who smoke it ,  but up to them you , as long as they don't want a free hand out with  hospital care when they are going to die from  long term smoking . 

like all  types of smoking be it the rubbish  marijuana , that people smoke or the other rubbish  cigarettes .

They should do it in there own homes and kill they self and not the people around them  when theu want to smoke. 

Like I say they want to kill they selfs up to them .

i think thailand most get the worst  type of people from all over the world ,  living in thailand.

 Marijuana smokers and  alcoholics .

 

 

Damn you're quite easy to judge people.

You do not smoke you do not drink,

are you vegan? (meat can cause cancer so if you eat meat I don't want you to have a free hand out with hospital),

do you drink coffee ( a drug which raise hypertension and glaucoma risk, I don't want you to have a free hand)

Do you pop some painkillers sometimes? ( It creates dependency and can cause liver diseases, I don't want you to have a free hand on this neither)

Do you live in a Bangkok or a big city? (I don't want you to have a free hand on this as it can cause lung diseases and you could prevent it by living in a farm

Do you drink any sugary drinks? ( I do not want you to have a free hand on this as sugar is well knownd for all the diseases it can give)

Do you salt your plates? ( I hope not cause I do not want you to have a free hand on this while you can just avoid salt)

 

How far can we push?

 

 

[georgemandm]

19 minutes ago, Golgota said:

Damn you're quite easy to judge people.

You do not smoke you do not drink,

are you vegan? (meat can cause cancer so if you eat meat I don't want you to have a free hand out with hospital),

do you drink coffee ( a drug which raise hypertension and glaucoma risk, I don't want you to have a free hand)

Do you pop some painkillers sometimes? ( It creates dependency and can cause liver diseases, I don't want you to have a free hand on this neither)

Do you live in a Bangkok or a big city? (I don't want you to have a free hand on this as it can cause lung diseases and you could prevent it by living in a farm

Do you drink any sugary drinks? ( I do not want you to have a free hand on this as sugar is well knownd for all the diseases it can give)

Do you salt your plates? ( I hope not cause I do not want you to have a free hand on this while you can just avoid salt)

 

How far can we push?

 

 

Not Judging  no one ok , up to them but do in your home .

you have no idea what you are on about ok .

just look around you and see what smoking dose to people.

the  hospitals are full of poor poor people who smoke all they lives and I feel sorry for them but not much I can do , the world would be a better place with out smoking.

why do you think people live longer because of modern  Medicine so don't go on about painkillers.

your  argument is  ridiculous .

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[Golgota]

7 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Not Judging  no one ok , up to them but do in your home .

you have no idea what you are on about ok .

just look around you and see what smoking dose to people.

the  hospitals are full of poor poor people who smoke all they lives and I feel sorry for them but not much I can do , the world would be a better place with out smoking.

why do you think people live longer because of modern  Medicine so don't go on about painkillers.

your  argument is  ridiculous .

Nope it is not..

I agree that tobacco and marijuana and alcohol can be bad for your health as much as any bad habit.Do you know cannabis can be in food and not smoked?

If you do not understand the problem of sugar in food, the problem of abuse of painkillers, the abuse of opiates, the abuse of salt, the abuse of chemical substances in food, the abuse of the meat in our plates, your arguments are ridiculous.

the argument is : do not abuse and drink/smoke/eat/medicate responsibly...

And to be sure that none of the argument of legalization you told are good : what good brought the prohibition?