Thailand's former PM Thaksin breaks silence on Twitter

[LannaGuy]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The wannabe Guevara T-shirt wearers among us have always wanted to make some historical link between Thaksin's reds and revolts in the past but it just doesn't wash. The only thing Thaksin has aspired to is securing State Power for his own ends. In short its all about Thaksin and until his time is finished progress is halted. The pro-Thaksin outrage however comes from the same quarters who cheer on those other useless liberation leaders in South America such as Venezuela with their crony corruption.

Must be one of the most ridiculous posts so far. Laughable linking Venezuela    what lows will the Junta huggers stoop to next? 

Edited September 1, 2017 by LannaGuy

[AlQaholic]

23 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

I'd suggest more research rather than just dig up this old lie. All sides were giving assistance in the form of an allowance for travel etc.  Is it good?  NO  but ALL did it and hopefully it will stop.  I know of people who took the allowance and voted how they wanted anyway, no one looking over their shoulder so it made ZERO difference. Can we move on now as this is about Thaksins apt Twitter feed?

I did not In any way suggest the 500 baht had any effect on the outcome of the election. In fact There has never been any evidence that bribing the citizens to vote in any way has affected the outcome of any election. However as all my wives relatives say, they have all been offered money to vote at one time or other, and they all live in Bangkok.

The point of my post is not about the 500 Baht, but I was lamenting over the corruption.

[LannaGuy]

8 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

I did not In any way suggest the 500 baht had any effect on the outcome of the election. In fact There has never been any evidence that bribing the citizens to vote in any way has affected the outcome of any election. However as all my wives relatives say, they have all been offered money to vote at one time or other, and they all live in Bangkok.

The point of my post is not about the 500 Baht, but I was lamenting over the corruption.

Right, fair enough  

[AGareth2]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

ll these apparently financially beaten down by one billionaire allied to basicly impoverished supporters , doesn't quite add up does it ?

don't let the facts get in the way of a good story

[jayboy]

11 hours ago, SheungWan said:

She wasn't the leader. She was Thaksin's crony. Openly and no messing about. In fact the whole government was pushed to devoting itself to Thaksin's return and restoration.

She was leader though obviously nominated by Thaksin.You can call her a "crony" if you like though that term normally applies to an associate rather than a relative.Others might call her his most reliable representative in Thailand.In any event her party won a crushing victory under her leadership and received the democratic mandate of the Thai people.She was the last legitimate Prime Minister and as such was welcomed enthusiastically all over the world as opposed to .....Openly and no messing about as you put it in your somewhat unlettered manner.It helped that she had a pleasant attractive personality.

[Dogmatix]

There is a good article in one of today's papers that makes the point that the military is responsible for maintaining the Shins' popularity by failing to allow them to remain in politics and screw up and eventually become unpopular, as is the fate of all politicians who overstay their welcome and cannot fulfil the expectations they create.  If this is correct, then their popularity just got a new boost that will keep them going for another few years. 

[jayboy]

There is a good article in one of today's papers that makes the point that the military is responsible for maintaining the Shins' popularity by failing to allow them to remain in politics and screw up and eventually become unpopular, as is the fate of all politicians who overstay their welcome and cannot fulfil the expectations they create.  If this is correct, then their popularity just got a new boost that will keep them going for another few years. 

Interesting and undeniably true but I wouldn't blame the military for this.I would lay the blame directly with the Democrat Party which abandoned its role as a national party, and huddled behind the skirts of the undemocratic excessively privileged old order.

It would have been very possible for the Democrat Party to have reformed itself and competed against the Shins electorally.Thaksin's electoral grip was slipping.The response was to duck the contest in a shameful way and consign the country to its current misery.History will judge the very able people Abhisit,Korn etc - let us face it the people that should be running the country now - very harshly.


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[Remus1830]

Call an election now let Thaksin in see who would win of the people are allowed to vote for who they really want I'm sure it is not the crazy army general.No matter what people say on here a majority I repeat a majority of thai citizen's want the shinawat clan and actually I don't blame them .wouldn't you prefer to have a flower bed with a few weeds than to pour poison on the flower bed to kill the weeds and the flowers to this is what the general has done to the economy and country in general killed it

[Ricardo]

3 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

There is a good article in one of today's papers that makes the point that the military is responsible for maintaining the Shins' popularity by failing to allow them to remain in politics and screw up and eventually become unpopular, as is the fate of all politicians who overstay their welcome and cannot fulfil the expectations they create.  If this is correct, then their popularity just got a new boost that will keep them going for another few years. 

 

here's a link to that article, also running as another thread on TV  ...

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/999743-thaksin-founded-the-shinawatra-dynasty-but-the-military-empowered-it/

 

[johng]

But they never mention that she did not win a single seat in the whole of southern Thailand and most of Bangkok.

Irrelevant,she won enough to form a government...where as the others didn't.

[scorecard]

6 hours ago, jayboy said:

She was leader though obviously nominated by Thaksin.You can call her a "crony" if you like though that term normally applies to an associate rather than a relative.Others might call her his most reliable representative in Thailand.In any event her party won a crushing victory under her leadership and received the democratic mandate of the Thai people.She was the last legitimate Prime Minister and as such was welcomed enthusiastically all over the world as opposed to .....Openly and no messing about as you put it in your somewhat unlettered manner.It helped that she had a pleasant attractive personality.

 

Oh so sweet, I've got tears (crocodile tears) in my eyes.

[SheungWan]

23 hours ago, jayboy said:

She was leader though obviously nominated by Thaksin.You can call her a "crony" if you like though that term normally applies to an associate rather than a relative.Others might call her his most reliable representative in Thailand.In any event her party won a crushing victory under her leadership and received the democratic mandate of the Thai people.She was the last legitimate Prime Minister and as such was welcomed enthusiastically all over the world as opposed to .....Openly and no messing about as you put it in your somewhat unlettered manner.It helped that she had a pleasant attractive personality.

Clearly my mistake. I should have referred to her as Thaksin's clone. And, no she wasn't his representative. That description complete misrepresents what was, which was Thaksin calling all the shots.

[jayboy]

16 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Clearly my mistake. I should have referred to her as Thaksin's clone. And, no she wasn't his representative. That description complete misrepresents what was, which was Thaksin calling all the shots.

That's what the haters called her, and clearly there's some truth in it.Thaksin is a winning brand in Thailand and it would be odd if his sister sought independence from it.Still a closer look shows that she did have her own views, advised by Suranand and others, which from time to time differed from those of Thaksin.However context and nuance are not for everybody and you probably prefer to stick with the easy hate think label.

[SheungWan]

Just now, jayboy said:

That's what the haters called her, and clearly there's some truth in it.Thaksin is a winning brand in Thailand and it would be odd if his sister sought independence from it.Still a closer look shows that she did have her own views, advised by Suranand and others, which from time to time differed from those of Thaksin.However context and nuance are not for everybody and you probably prefer to stick with the easy hate think label.

No, that's what Thaksin called her.

[jayboy]

13 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

No, that's what Thaksin called her.

Touche

[ovi1kanobi]

12 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

No, that's what Thaksin called her.

Thaksin said vote for her "SHE IS MY CLONE" And she will do any thing I tell her to do.

[ovi1kanobi]

16 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

No, that's what Thaksin called her.

Not one original thought ever came out of her mouth. Her brother told her what to say and do.

[jayboy]

On 8/31/2017 at 11:07 PM, SheungWan said:

The wannabe Guevara T-shirt wearers among us have always wanted to make some historical link between Thaksin's reds and revolts in the past but it just doesn't wash. The only thing Thaksin has aspired to is securing State Power for his own ends. In short its all about Thaksin and until his time is finished progress is halted. The pro-Thaksin outrage however comes from the same quarters who cheer on those other useless liberation leaders in South America such as Venezuela with their crony corruption.

Just noticed this and sorry for late reply.I think that's a wrong assumption on "pro -Thaksin outrage."I speak only for myself but it is precisely because I want Thailand to avoid a Venezuela type meltdown and Chavez extremism that we must come to terms with what Thaksin represents.By crushing popular democracy which for better or worse he represented, the old elites make a descent into Venezuela chaotic redistributive dictatorship more likely.Thaksin actually shares the values of those who hate him.The alternative could be much much worse given that Thailand is one of the most unequal societies on earth.Now that certain restraints have been removed the situation is more dangerous, and the pressure cooker though as yet not much in evidence is growing hotter.I'm certainly not arguing that Thaksin should get what he wants or a pardon or a even return from exile.But there needs to be a negotiation and an end to zero sum politics.The ruling class here have little sense of enlightened self interest so I'm not that hopeful.

[halloween]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

That's what the haters called her, and clearly there's some truth in it.Thaksin is a winning brand in Thailand and it would be odd if his sister sought independence from it.Still a closer look shows that she did have her own views, advised by Suranand and others, which from time to time differed from those of Thaksin.However context and nuance are not for everybody and you probably prefer to stick with the easy hate think label.

Thaksin was also at the time banned from politics in Thailand. The EC stated quite clearly that because of PTP's election slogan AND the nomination of people facing serious criminal charges in its party list, there were ample grounds for disbanding the party. Why didn't they disband them? Because of the perceived very high chance of violence from their supporters, as in 2010.

If Thaksin is such a winning brand, why does his parties need to resort to illegal activities every election? Why do they need to offer unworkable policies offering financial rewards (electoral bribes) to pander to their supporters? Why does a political party need to have an armed militia ready to intimidate anyone who dares criticise or object to their blatant corruption?

Edited September 2, 2017 by halloween

[jayboy]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

Thaksin was also at the time banned from politics in Thailand. The EC stated quite clearly that because of PTP's election slogan AND the nomination of people facing serious criminal charges in its party list, there were ample grounds for disbanding the party. Why didn't they disband them? Because of the perceived very high chance of violence from their supporters, as in 2010.

If Thaksin is such a winning brand, why does his parties need to resort to illegal activities every election? Why do they need to offer unworkable policies offering financial rewards (electoral bribes) to pander to their supporters? Why does a political party need to have an armed militia ready to intimidate anyone who dares criticise or object to their blatant corruption?

Oh if the EC stated that, it must be true given its reputation for integrity and independence.It's never thought to be a tool of those who want to manipulate democracy.So well done on your intelligent contribution.

 

As to Thaksin's parties election wins you are again quite right.The fact that all independent international monitoring organization pronounced them fair and free just goes to show how Thaksin's moneybags have spread.Come to think of it Abhisit said much the same thing so I guess he's on the payroll too.

 

Polite suggestion: if you don't want to make a fool of yourself try a little light reading on the background.There's plenty of material much of it from writers who are far from being admirers of Thaksin.By all means pm me for a reading list.When you have mastered the simpler material, I'll consider whether you can tackle something more complex.Step by step is the way.

 

 

[pornprong]

On 8/31/2017 at 11:07 PM, SheungWan said:

The wannabe Guevara T-shirt wearers among us have always wanted to make some historical link between Thaksin's reds and revolts in the past but it just doesn't wash. The only thing Thaksin has aspired to is securing State Power for his own ends. In short its all about Thaksin and until his time is finished progress is halted. The pro-Thaksin outrage however comes from the same quarters who cheer on those other useless liberation leaders in South America such as Venezuela with their crony corruption.

Power is too highly centralized in the capital, which treats its peripheries like vassal states or colonies. Official definitions of “Thainess” are too narrow, showing no respect for local identities and cultures. And the massive amounts of wealth generated in Bangkok is not redistributed to the rest of the country, leading to unequal development. Unfortunately, elites in the capital seem unable to understand these root causes of resentment and are merely making things worse.

[halloween]

3 hours ago, jayboy said:

Oh if the EC stated that, it must be true given its reputation for integrity and independence.It's never thought to be a tool of those who want to manipulate democracy.So well done on your intelligent contribution.

 

As to Thaksin's parties election wins you are again quite right.The fact that all independent international monitoring organization pronounced them fair and free just goes to show how Thaksin's moneybags have spread.Come to think of it Abhisit said much the same thing so I guess he's on the payroll too.

 

Polite suggestion: if you don't want to make a fool of yourself try a little light reading on the background.There's plenty of material much of it from writers who are far from being admirers of Thaksin.By all means pm me for a reading list.When you have mastered the simpler material, I'll consider whether you can tackle something more complex.Step by step is the way.

 

 

Your usual patronising BS refrain neglected to answer the questions. In your opinion the EC is a biased tool of the elite, yet electoral law applies equally to both sides, except of course Thaksin who ignores it and then claims bias when punished for it. Or do you deny as a convicted criminal Thaksin was banned from participation, and that nominating those facing serious criminal charges is also prohibited?

BTW Monitoring agencies monitor the voting.

[halloween]

3 hours ago, pornprong said:

Power is too highly centralized in the capital, which treats its peripheries like vassal states or colonies. Official definitions of “Thainess” are too narrow, showing no respect for local identities and cultures. And the massive amounts of wealth generated in Bangkok is not redistributed to the rest of the country, leading to unequal development. Unfortunately, elites in the capital seem unable to understand these root causes of resentment and are merely making things worse.

If they weren't regularly giving them handouts to elevate their lifestyle there might be more to spend on infrastructure. Having a huge segment of the workforce engaged in labour intensive low yield farming does nothing for the nation. Then again, if you pander to them, it gets you elected.

[LannaGuy]

Getting away from the hyperbole for a minute isn't it odd that we have heard nothing yet? I mean no 'announcement' etc.

[candide]

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

Getting away from the hyperbole for a minute isn't it odd that we have heard nothing yet? I mean no 'announcement' etc.

It may be that she prefers to remain silent while she applies fot asylum somewhere. Or worse....

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

If they weren't regularly giving them handouts to elevate their lifestyle there might be more to spend on infrastructure. Having a huge segment of the workforce engaged in labour intensive low yield farming does nothing for the nation.

Then again, if you pander to them, it gets you elected.

Why has the country been so unevenly developed over the past 50+ years?

With no investment in rural infrastructure or education or health services what options did the people have but to continue rice farming - after all, Bangkok only needs so many labourers and prostitutes.

 

If you pander to them it gets you elected.

How about if you stop ignoring them it gets you elected?

 

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

It may be that she prefers to remain silent while she applies fot asylum somewhere. Or worse....

She still has family in Thailand. You would suspect that remaining silent was part of the deal negotiated with the Junta to allow her flight.

[LannaGuy]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

It may be that she prefers to remain silent while she applies fot asylum somewhere. Or worse....

Yes... and I guess her brother would be going bananas if he thought anything had happened. Probably hear after Sept 27th as that might be why she's quiet.

[jayboy]

34 minutes ago, halloween said:

Your usual patronising BS refrain neglected to answer the questions. In your opinion the EC is a biased tool of the elite, yet electoral law applies equally to both sides, except of course Thaksin who ignores it and then claims bias when punished for it. Or do you deny as a convicted criminal Thaksin was banned from participation, and that nominating those facing serious criminal charges is also prohibited?

BTW Monitoring agencies monitor the voting.

Yes of course as any fule knos the EC is sea green incorruptible and applies electoral law equally to all sides, and without fear or favour.The fact it tolerated benignly PDRC thugs violent campaign to halt polling is one of many porkies those in the pay of Thaksin have put about.

 

I await your pm as I am putting a reading list together for you.

[halloween]

33 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Why has the country been so unevenly developed over the past 50+ years?

With no investment in rural infrastructure or education or health services what options did the people have but to continue rice farming - after all, Bangkok only needs so many labourers and prostitutes.

 

If you pander to them it gets you elected.

How about if you stop ignoring them it gets you elected?

 

Then you must be applauding the junta's decision to build the rail line to Nakhon Phanom. Bangkok needs plenty of labourers, that why they come from neighbouring countries.