Red-shirt crackdown: Supreme Court agrees no grounds for suing Abhisit, Suthep

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Red-shirt crackdown: Supreme Court agrees no grounds for suing Abhisit, Suthep

By The Nation

 

 

BANGKOK: -- The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld lower court decisions to dismiss lawsuits against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban related to the military crackdown on the 2010 red-shirt protest in Bangkok.

The Supreme Court upheld decisions of the Criminal Court and Appeals Court that the Department of Special Investigation had no authority to initiate an investigation against the two officials or to file suit against them.

 

The court said that, since Abhist and Suthep ordered the crackdown in their capacities as top-ranking ministers, the investigation would have had to be initiated by the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

 

The DSI had the attorney general file the lawsuit, accusing them of murder, attempted murder and premeditated murder stemming from the order for the military and police to crack down on anti-government protesters on May 15, 2010.

 

On June 10, 2014, Abhisit and Suthep responded by asking the Criminal Court to consider whether the DSI had the authority to initiate legal action against them. That court ruled on August 28 they did not and rejected the lawsuit.

 

On February 17 last year, the Appeals Court upheld the Criminal Court’s decision to dismiss the suit on the grounds that the defendants did not order the crackdowns as private individuals, but rather as the government leaders.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30325374

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-08-31

[Eric Loh]

So Thaksin's tweet was spot on.

[Chris Lawrence]

So they overstepped their authority. Isn't that the same charge the ministers and Mrs T were charged with.

 

At the end of the day someone gave the order to shoot. 

 

This is not a red or yellow bashing tweet, but questions as to who gave the order need to be answered. There are 80 families out there that will never have a loved one come home. If the General is to be fair, both sides of politics need to be accountable.

[George Bowman]

It does seem double-sided.

[AGareth2]

100 lives taken

nothing

a red shirts' life is cheap

[sjaak327]

Total disgrace. unbelieveable, double standards, over 90 people killed, no case. 

 

However, since this is merely a rejection based upon the agency submitting the case, we can ony hope the NACC will submit their case, after all they did submit a case involving Somchai and Prawit's brother, since Somchai was PM, surely the NACC is authorized to submit such a case. 

 

If you submit a case for a by comparison minor incident, you cannot ignore this particular bloodshed...

Edited August 31, 2017 by sjaak327

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Supreme Court drops case against Abhisit, Suthep for 2010 suppression of red-shirt protesters

By Thai PBS

 

 

BANGKOK: -- The Supreme Court Thursday (Aug 31) dropped the case against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban for ordering the deadly military crackdown of red-shirt protesters in 2010.

 

Both Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep turned up at the court to hear the verdict this morning.

 

The case was brought against them in 2014 by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) under order of the then DSI chief Tarit Pengdith.

 

Full story:  http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/supreme-court-drops-case-abhisit-suthep-2010-suppression-red-shirt-protesters/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-08-31

[jayboy]

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Total disgrace. unbelieveable, double standards, over 90 people killed, no case. 

 

However, since this is merely a rejection based upon the agency submitting the case, we can ony hope the NACC will submit their case, after all they did submit a case involving Somchai and Prawit's brother, since Somchai was PM, surely the NACC is authorized to submit such a case. 

 

If you submit a case for a by comparison minor incident, you cannot ignore this particular bloodshed...

Yes but this bloodshed would not have happened without the blackshirts firing at the army.. guess who should be tried for that. To put the blame here on Abisith and Suthep alone while ignoring the leader of the blackshirts who were brought in to cause violence and attack the army making them respond.. that person is at least 50% guilty too. 

 

Then those blackshirts fired with the same weapons the army did.. bit hard to say the army was responsible for it all while the blackshirts had the same kind of weapons. 

[jayboy]

Yes but this bloodshed would not have happened without the blackshirts firing at the army.. guess who should be tried for that. To put the blame here on Abisith and Suthep alone while ignoring the leader of the blackshirts who were brought in to cause violence and attack the army making them respond.. that person is at least 50% guilty too. 
 
Then those blackshirts fired with the same weapons the army did.. bit hard to say the army was responsible for it all while the blackshirts had the same kind of weapons. 

Read the HRW report the most authoritative available.It noted that there were armed elements in the red ranks but the army's behaviour was unprofessional and murderous with firing into the ranks of unarmed civilians.The men in black remain mysteriously at large even though capture and interrogation would have provided Thaksin haters a smoking gun (in their opinion). Smart money on the reasons for this strange omission links it to inter military conflicts.

[robblok]

Just now, jayboy said:

 

Read the HRW report the most authoritative available.It noted that there were armed elements in the red ranks but the army's behaviour was unprofessional and murderous with firing into the ranks of unarmed civilians.The men in black remain mysteriously at large even though capture and interrogation would have provided Thaksin haters a smoking gun (in their opinion). Smart money on the reasons for this strange omission links it to inter military conflicts.

 

No courts have proven men in black are real, that is what the HRW report says and that they were firing on the army to cause trouble. Some men in black have been caught and identified as redshirts (court convictions so facts). Guess who pays the redshirts.. your friend Thaksin.. So he should be held accountable for at least 50%. 

Guess you dont like that jayboy. 

[Samui Bodoh]

So...

 

Anyone still wondering why Yingluck did a runner?

 

Or are there still people who argue that the Thai justice system is a paragon of fairness?

 

Even for Thailand...

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Supreme Court Turns Down Murder Case Against Abhisit, Suthep

By Sasiwan Mokkhasen, Staff Reporter

 

Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, at left, and his former deputy Suthep Thaugsuban, fourth from right, depart Thursday from the Supreme Court in Bangkok.

 

BANGKOK — The Supreme Court on Thursday declined to review murder charges against former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his former deputy Suthep Thaugsuban arising from the 2010 crackdown on Redshirt protesters.

 

Saying the case had gone forward through the wrong channel, the court left intact lower court rulings to dismiss counts that the two men ordered the military to open fire on protesters to reclaim the streets. More than 90 people died in the violence.

 

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2017/08/31/supreme-court-turns-murder-case-abhisit-suthep/

 

-- © Copyright Khaosod English 2017-08-31

[jayboy]

No courts have proven men in black are real, that is what the HRW report says and that they were firing on the army to cause trouble. Some men in black have been caught and identified as redshirts (court convictions so facts). Guess who pays the redshirts.. your friend Thaksin.. So he should be held accountable for at least 50%. 
Guess you dont like that jayboy. 

You are mistaken so do your homework or repeat the lies.No connection has ever been made with Thaksin.The cases you mention were not the mob.Do you seriously think his enemies would not have exploited the matter if there was any proven connection?


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[robblok]

Just now, jayboy said:

 

You are mistaken so do your homework or repeat the lies.No connection has ever been made with Thaksin.The cases you mention were not the mob.Do you seriously think his enemies would not have exploited the matter if there was any proven connection?


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No connection has been made... with Thaksin but with the redshirts and we know who funds the redshirts. Just because you cant legally prove something does not mean its not true. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

The army had no place there, it was a civil matter, that alone is more than enough grounds to at the very least submit a case and hear relevant witnesses. I personally are not at all convinced about the black shirt story, but by all means, find the leader and put him on trial too. There is no reason why Suthep (I doubt Abhishit gave the order, he was just fooled by the old man) should go free. 

The armed blackshirts and armed redshirts had no place there.. they and the person who put them there is also responsible for the violence. If you put terrorists (that is what those black shirts were) in between protesters you run the risk of protesters getting shot. So go moan at Thaksin too.. not just Abisith and Suthep. He was as responsible as all the others for putting his armed men there. 

[sjaak327]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

The armed blackshirts and armed redshirts had no place there.. they and the person who put them there is also responsible for the violence. If you put terrorists (that is what those black shirts were) in between protesters you run the risk of protesters getting shot. So go moan at Thaksin too.. not just Abisith and Suthep. He was as responsible as all the others for putting his armed men there. 

I don't moan at all, I think it is only fair that Suthep and Abhisit should be held accountable. THEY put the army there, and at the time they put them there, there was no viable reason. The army had no place there. You come back with the almost childlike remark that armed blackshirts and armed redshirts had no place there either, but that does not absolve the PM and the deputy PM. Pray tell, the PAD had armed security personel, just as Suthep had a few years back, yet neither Somchai or Yingluck called in the army. 

 

As to Thaksin, well if he indeed is behind the blackshirts, then I have no problem that he is being put on trail, providing they can get him to show up. In the case that he doesn't, it does NOT mean Suthep and Abhisit should not appear. 

 

Personally I think your recounts of events to be wrong and unproven, and to date you have submitted no evidence that the black shirts were responsible, they weren't, the army was responsible and it was all on bloody TV !

 

The way I read this is, that the case has just been thrown out due to the wrong agency submitting the case, because if this means the end and no other cases could be put forward, it would be an utter disgrace, over 90 people died, the family of those people have a right to answers.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2017 by sjaak327

[Thailand]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

The armed blackshirts and armed redshirts had no place there.. they and the person who put them there is also responsible for the violence. If you put terrorists (that is what those black shirts were) in between protesters you run the risk of protesters getting shot. So go moan at Thaksin too.. not just Abisith and Suthep. He was as responsible as all the others for putting his armed men there. 

Isn't that what Suthep did in 2013/2014 with the blessing of the current ptb with the desired result?

[seajae]

everyone seems to be missing the point that these charges were dropped because the dsi(on orders from  guess who) instigated the charges when they were not legally able to, they simply were not legal so the judges had no course but to drop them. The stuff up was with the ptp telling the dsi to organize the charges, this has nothing to do with anything else or who did what, if they had of used the correct department to lay the charges they would be legal and still ongoing

[sjaak327]

3 minutes ago, seajae said:

everyone seems to be missing the point that these charges were dropped because the dsi(on orders from  guess who) instigated the charges when they were not legally able to, they simply were not legal so the judges had no course but to drop them. The stuff up was with the ptp telling the dsi to organize the charges, this has nothing to do with anything else or who did what, if they had of used the correct department to lay the charges they would be legal and still ongoing

No not everyone has missed that point.... 

Edited August 31, 2017 by sjaak327

[wirat69]

1 hour ago, Chris Lawrence said:

So they overstepped their authority. Isn't that the same charge the ministers and Mrs T were charged with.

 

No.... you are stirring the sh*t or ignorant of the facts.....

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

I don't moan at all, I think it is only fair that Suthep and Abhisit should be held accountable. THEY put the army there, and at the time they put them there, there was no viable reason. The army had no place there. You come back with the almost childlike remark that armed blackshirts and armed redshirts had no place there either, but that does not absolve the PM and the deputy PM. Pray tell, the PAD had armed security personel, just as Suthep had a few years back, yet neither Somchai or Yingluck called in the army. 

 

As to Thaksin, well if he indeed is behind the blackshirts, then I have no problem that he is being put on trail, providing they can get him to show up. In the case that he doesn't, it does NOT mean Suthep and Abhisit should not appear. 

 

Personally I think your recounts of events to be wrong and unproven, and to date you have submitted no evidence that the black shirts were responsible, they weren't, the army was responsible and it was all on bloody TV !

 

The way I read this is, that the case has just been thrown out due to the wrong agency submitting the case, because if this means the end and no other cases could be put forward, it would be an utter disgrace, over 90 people died, the family of those people have a right to answers.

 

 

I k now why its thrown out.. no problems there lets see where it goes

 

There are independent HRW who investigated it blamed the black shirts too. Your right Suthep and Abisith should appear even id Thaksin is not indited. Just like how YL and others who are corrupt should be tried even when others are not. Guess we agree on something at least some people should be punished for crimes even though you can't get them all. 

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, wirat69 said:

No.... you are stirring the sh*t or ignorant of the facts.....

The ignorant has spoken. 

[Katipo]

To be honest, I doubt Abhisit was the one who really controlled that crackdown. When has the government ever controlled the military in Thailand?

[harada]

It's called the standard of the shirt. 

[DLang]

Amazing what having the correct colored underpants has on the judicial process in Thailand. 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

So Thaksin's tweet was spot on.

 

Yeah right. And it was Thaksin who instructed Tharit to act outside his remit and authority to bring these charges in the first place.

[mark01]

Thai justice. Oxymoron.

[Baerboxer]

37 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

No not everyone has missed that point.... 

 

So you have no issue with Tharit acting outside his remit and authority?

 

Or dismiss the strange coincidence that Tharit, having switch his allegiance and serving the Shins, brought these charges. which he wasn't empowered to, just when Thaksin and his cronies were trying to push through a whitewash amnesty, which they wanted A and S to go along with. Pure coincidence.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

Read the HRW report the most authoritative available.It noted that there were armed elements in the red ranks but the army's behaviour was unprofessional and murderous with firing into the ranks of unarmed civilians.The men in black remain mysteriously at large even though capture and interrogation would have provided Thaksin haters a smoking gun (in their opinion). Smart money on the reasons for this strange omission links it to inter military conflicts.

 

 

So you think the black shirts were nothing to do with Thaksin?

 

Perhaps Chalerm was right - they never existed. All the photos just photo shopped!