travelmann

Ive bought myself a gun so Ill be safe when the panic sets in, the Thai guy who sold it me said it worked every time.

Same here Ive come thru with fat wads of cash ( shhhhhhhh) Bath taps, Sink taps ( half price in Germany), 12 palm trees, fruit, Paint ( illegal to fly with but I figure kerosene will burn well if we go down anyway) Hammer drills, Screws, 10,packs of Muesli ( wife) 6 sat navs etc etc never a problem never been stopped.

She just said she didnt want to be alone..................kind of implies anyone would have done?

I wouldn't tell her, just try and avoid as much as possible and keep smilling.

Agreed, but if you feel you must, do it from a distance. If she has posted her singing many times on Farcebook (sic) then she probably thinks she's quite good. Criticism may not be welcome.

I once commented on someones awful singing on You Tube and they went beserk, toss***s, They really do think they are good, thats the sad part.

The other sad thing is the world is heading the way of only ever giving praise, not pc to say its crap, ask a Uk teacher if they can say a kid is crap in a report.

Your singing is crap................usually works for me

Another thing that also worries me is when people say " she is stunning" rather like the stab story, Im usually very disappointed.

Thank you guys but I think we are now running around in circles. I hope people have now a more clear idea about what really is going there and I don't think an other link to a legal site explaining the different land titles is really necessary.

As reasonableman said, the ball is now in the camp of the government.

If there is a lesson for us at our small level, it is to advise our wife or local partner that, if it's not full chanote, don't buy.

Nor sor sam gor is safe to buy

You can take a Thai girl out of Thailand but you can not take the Thai out of a Thai girl. Interested to know who grabbed the knife first!!!

Irrespective of who grabbed the knife first, the killer is guilty.

There is no question about it.

No I dont think so, I mean if someone came at me with a knife and I managed to get it off them I wouldnt toss it aside for fear of my life.

http://www.thailandl...itle-deeds.html

Por. Bor. Tor. 5 (P.B.T. 5), is an evidence showing that the occupier of a plot of land has been issued a tax number and has paid tax for using the benefit of the land. This confers no right at all but was formerly used to establish that the holder was occupying a plot of land and could apply for a Sor Kor 1.

This confers no right at all

case closed

Wrong again.

You have the right to buy and sell the land. Therefore the argument of the resort owners that they have legally purchased the land is valid. it's also prove that the argument of the forest department that they encroach on forest land is false and only used to create an emotive reaction from outsiders without knowledge of the problem.

The only problem is a zoning problem. These lands were originally for agricultural purpose. The only thing the resort owners are "guilty" of is to use the land for an other purpose the the originally intended one. You may notice that the courts orders are for the removing of the resorts, not to vacate the lands. Despite what some people want us to believe, there is no encroaching, no illegal occupation of the land here.

The last thing is these restriction on the use of the land was decided in the 70's, a very different time. There are currently negotiation to amend them to reflect the changes that have happened during the last 40 years.

Sorry for all the people who were expecting some juicy gossips about big names encroaching on national park and poaching wild life, it's just a boring zoning problem in rural areas.

So you also have the right to build, a resort on it too??

The land must be used for agriculture. Strictly in legal theory

A great place, nice area, very beautiful scenery. It's great fun to play with the sheeps That's an other area we consider for our retirement.

There I've a great resort to recommend : http://www.latoscana...ort.com/en/home

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Chanots? mee or mai mee?

PS I'm sort of assuming you know what a 'Chanot' is? and a 'Full Chanot'?

I cut earlier posts for easier reading.

For people who haven't recognize the area, it's in the Ratchaburi province, a very beautiful area less than 2 hours from Bangkok.

Regarding the land titles, similar situation with Wang Nam Khieo, mostly Por Bor Tor, and similar problems with the forest department. There are so many area in Thailand that have similar problems, that's why it's important that a solution is found.

So they didnt build on them right???

http://www.samuiforsale.com/knowledge/thailand-land-title-deeds.html

NOTE: it is basically ONLY possible to register rights (sale, lease, usufruct, superficies, etc.) with the Land Department and obtain official building approval over land with a confirmed right of possession (the Nor.Sor.3 land titles) or full ownership title (Nor.Sor.4.Jor/ Chanote title deed)

A disaster long in the making already, a slow train crash, destroying much of what once made Thailand an attractive destination for visitors and expats.

I wanted to come back first on this post. The argument that national parks are an important resource for the economy as they bring foreign visitors is completely wrong. In the two area cited above, 90% of the visitors are Thais. To attract foreign visitors we would need to build theme parks, golf resorts and go-go bars. I don't think that's what we want for these areas

Actually what would be best is if they closed them right off and left them to nature..............now that really would be protecting the environment

Thanks for your admission of bias. You are therefore advocating a position in which you have a personal interest, and in support of your friends. It helps when advocates declare themselves, don't you think? Kinda clears the air and adds a contextual dimension to people's posts. Of course, we all feel terrible for any innocents affected, but to characterize all of the players as poor little old ladies is perhaps unintentionally misleading, wouldn't you agree?

Agree with you. But I think the way the newspapers describes the situation , probably influenced by the PR office of the forest department, is terribly misleading. I try to show the other side of the coin.

The real debate here should be what is the future of rural Thailand ? How eco tourism can help alleviate poverty in rural Thailand ? Under which condition ? Is this system of land title still relevant in Thailand in 2012 and how should it be modified to reflect the reality of the modern economy ? And the solution that will be found here can later be applied in other provinces of Thailand.

But these questions fly way above the head of our Judge Dredd from the forest department. That's why the first move should be to remove him from his position then to engage in a constructive debate with the representatives of all the parties involved in the area.

Is there rural poverty in Thailand?? from what Ive seen Its just see lazy drunk bums unwilling to work, I actually offered jobs to some of them to cut down some scrub and bushes on my wifes land, all they said is we havent got a machete, so i went out an bought them one, still no work done, but happy to sit there all day watching the Makro dig a hole

If I bought you a toilet brush would you clean my toilets?

If Id got no work YES and Ive done far worse in my life than clean toilets, what I wouldnt do however is bleat on about being poor

The perception of Love or Jealousy makes many lose all common sense.....

Yep its far better to just walk away form any woman/man who wants to be with someone else no matter how much you like them, easier said than done and of course w ehave no real facts here and probably never will so speculate away.

What I do like is the nice collection of related stories...........makes u think though

• German Stabs UdonThani Thai Girlfriend 17 Times
  
• Brit & Thai Wife Murdered at Beach Resort 90 Kms From Hua Hin
  
• Samutprakarn Killer Stabs Teen Girl Student 28 Times
  
• German Knifed By His Drunk Thai Girl Friend in Pattaya
  
• Angry Pattaya Chicken Vendor Stabs Seafood Merchant
  
• 
  

Alternatively set up your own speakers ona post on your land and blast away whenever you feel like it, when/if the complaints come in refer them to the original speakers to set a precedent..............................I can see it now, you not Thai you dont understand/ culture

Who is Smokie?

Burt Reynolds??? or was he the Bandit? either way its scary

Burt was the Bandit. 'Smokie' were the Cops.

So The Blether is " in " with the cops......................wow my new best friend "Blether"

Even more amazing a virgin birth...............some would say ridiculous???

The only thing more ridiculous was Yingluck becoming PM

Id say that was pretty predictable, I didnt say it was good for Thailand though

I was going to report this to the moderator for removal or closure, but then I worried about the possibility that the mod might not have a sense of humour...

So I reproduce the complaint below in preference

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(These posts are) An attempt to derail the topic

Can I suggest either to close the thread, or move it to the news and futile bickering politics forum

- its not futile

- yes it is

- no it isn't

- is

- isn't

...

SC

If we stuck to the topic all answers would only say YES, NO, DONT KNOW and what a dull world it would be

The rule of thumb is this. If you are a good cook, you can get away with it. But if you cook like some of rejects on those American Reality Cooking Shows, its understable that they dont want you to cook.

Seriously though, would you actually sign a lease that says you cant cook in your own apartment? Is farting allowed?

Only when cooking

Even more amazing a virgin birth...............some would say ridiculous???

The only thing more ridiculous was Yingluck becoming PM

Id say that was pretty predictable, I didnt say it was good for Thailand though

wait till it's dark out and cut the wires.

keep doing that and eventually you will find your peace again...

Would ear plugs work ?

No it will take too long, the wire cutters will cut them much faster...............trust me on this

This is a very usual case for several reasons.

(1) It is a documented fact that even wild animals seem to have a sense that infants are different and do not pose any threat. Short of flat out predators, who would still have to be very, very hungry, it is rare to see an attack on a baby.

(2) It is much more rare to see a dog attack an infant

(3) The breed, Labrador is known for a gentle nature and at least in my part of the world, is not classed as "guard dog" material.

(4) What is not surprising is that Thai Visa Peanut Gallery, with little or no facts to back them up, has condemned the parents. Perhaps if they had been "nice people" (Read: "White") you could see this for what is is. A tragedy few can compare with. You are a hard-hearted lot indeed, and in that, I am being generous, since it means you might have one.

here is the result of a 10 second Google image search

https://www.google.c...1ac.IILFXVnfx3w

Posting a page full of dogs with babies is just obscene and as for the other comments they equal your photo gallery in my opinion and keeps breeding the myth some dogs are ok.

A Labrador is not a Guard dog. It is one of the nicest dog race

All dogs like to play. They bite smoothly when playing including the nicest ones. but the effect on a 9 day baby of a smooth bite is not the same than on an adult human. I have gotten Labradors and Golden Retrievers without any major issue since years.

From the dog what has happened was certainly unintentional. But it is to us humans, because we are supposed to be more intelligent, to manage the situations. As human, when you have pets, you have to understand then anticipate the behavior of your animals. It is our responsability as Masters.

If you cannot, better you have no pets.

Really this is VERY simple any sane adult would not have a dog and a child together in fact any sane adult would get rid of the dog before the birth, dogs and babies DO NOT MIX doesnt matter how lovely the dog how it would never harm a fly blah blah blah...............so beacsue of this stupidity some kid was mauled to death.

Its not the dogs fault and the dog should not be put down............the owners??? well i cant comment

Dogs an babies?????? words fail me but I see the same stupidity the world over, ahhhhhhh look the dogs licking the baby. Sorry for the kid and its thoughtless parents

Thanks for your admission of bias. You are therefore advocating a position in which you have a personal interest, and in support of your friends. It helps when advocates declare themselves, don't you think? Kinda clears the air and adds a contextual dimension to people's posts. Of course, we all feel terrible for any innocents affected, but to characterize all of the players as poor little old ladies is perhaps unintentionally misleading, wouldn't you agree?

Agree with you. But I think the way the newspapers describes the situation , probably influenced by the PR office of the forest department, is terribly misleading. I try to show the other side of the coin.

The real debate here should be what is the future of rural Thailand ? How eco tourism can help alleviate poverty in rural Thailand ? Under which condition ? Is this system of land title still relevant in Thailand in 2012 and how should it be modified to reflect the reality of the modern economy ? And the solution that will be found here can later be applied in other provinces of Thailand.

But these questions fly way above the head of our Judge Dredd from the forest department. That's why the first move should be to remove him from his position then to engage in a constructive debate with the representatives of all the parties involved in the area.

Is there rural poverty in Thailand?? from what Ive seen Its just see lazy drunk bums unwilling to work, I actually offered jobs to some of them to cut down some scrub and bushes on my wifes land, all they said is we havent got a machete, so i went out an bought them one, still no work done, but happy to sit there all day watching the Makro dig a hole

A quick history of the area. The forest was cleared in the 70's by government order, the reason being it was a hideout for communist insurgents, too close to Bangkok for comfort. Two logging companies was contracted for the job. The owner of a small shopping complex on the main road came with one of the logging company, liked the area and decided to stay. She has a lot of interesting stories to tell if anybody is willing to interview her.

The land cleared was given to landless farmers. That was before the creation of the Thab Lan National park in 1981. It's from there that the confusion comes from. There is a national park and nobody contest that people who encroached on the national park should be evicted. And there is a zone that has been partly administered by the National Park but doesn't belong to the national park. And that's where the resorts are located. In 2000 there were a tentative to clarify this situation by officially excluding this area from the national park. Unfortunately the government collapse before they had time to vote the law.

So the resorts owners are rights when they say they are the rightful owners of their land. They bought them for the original owners, the farmers, and actually some resorts owners are the farmers who can trace their ownership of the land since the 70's. And that their land doesn't encroach on the national park.

So full chanote then?

Who is Smokie?

Burt Reynolds??? or was he the Bandit? either way its scary