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Of course it's the Democrats. Abhisit and his band of thugs can't stand the fact they were defeated by a LANDSLIDE. Obviously they weren't doing as the people wanted.

Please explain your ridiculous statement:

Why would the Democrats have anything to gain? bearing in mind it was a disabled/incomplete Bomb,and not aimed at anything in particular, or to do with the present Government? or its Members!

and placed near the Lottery Office,would more likely indicate a disgruntled Punter,or Employee,or some other connection,rather than anything of a Political nature.................wouldn't you think?

Nobody listens to what the Democrats say excepting the converted. Still they have amusement value in their utter inability to understand how the country os changing, their utter inability to wion elections, their delusional attempts to think they can win an election without ever changing, their inability to be economically serious, and seeing no need to change a leader proven utterly inept while in office and who remains totally discredited and hated across much of the country.

While the oppositions job is to critiicse government, it is also to offer a credible and electable alternative and it is here that the democrats are letting the entire country down by pandering to outmoded concepts that the people repeatedly reject. If they want to do the country a service, while knocking goevrenment they should look to their own failaings and change rather than delusionally thinking the coutnry will change back to the way they want them. Short of this the Democrats will be repeatedly rejected at the ballot box enabling the veryu one party system they fear to have a better chanc eof taking root. A good start would be to remove their useless leader and pick someone more acceptable to people across the poltical divide. As PTP have shown, you can change leader sfairly easily and still win elections.

Can you actually make a case citing examples, for the utterly inept, totally discredited, hated and useless comments you direct at Abhisit, without simply resorting to, well he got comprehensively beaten, so therefore he must have been all those things?

Yes the man failed miserably in terms of getting re-elected, no question, but that was not necessarily a barometer of how he did whilst in charge, it could as easily be a barometer of who people preferred to take them forward.

The level of debt his government got the coutnry into and saddled it with for years swamped governments from the past. Even the military government didnt manage that and as most know Thaksin was redcuing debt.

We shouldnt mention the menaingless statements on the bomb sniffer box thing.

Quite a few people countrywide have him down as a Suchinda style character.

Usual corrupt goverment with nothing done inspite of the usual Dem style promise to be different.

Disappearing at a time of national crisis.

Investigations into certain things seen as white wash attempts internationally.

Choosing a cabinet that was largely seen as inept

The way the government was formed and what uit was linked to even though he had personally demanded elections only shortly before.

Mishandling the red shirts thing and then mishandling the subsequesnt investiagtion which links directly to the point above.

Squashing dems with alternative ideas

Police chief problem

Changing the constitution in a gerrymandering way and one that made vote buying easier according to just about every analyst

Kasit

Cambodia

Damaging Thailand's interantional standing

Etc.

I would say that is a pretty good description of inept and a portfolio that probably aided in the 100 seat loss to his main opponents to lead government. Lets see whether Yingluck can achieve a litany of such abhorence and see her party then lose by a 100 seat margin to the main opponent for government. I think it will take some doing

I thought the Debate was about a Cabinet Reshuffle! but we can always rely on Hammered to go on the defensive and start blaming the Democrats,just to take the heat away from Thaksins mob the PTP.

Keep it up Hammered you are fooling nobody!

So Thaksin is having nothing to do with picking the new Cabinet?

Is that why he called PTP MPs to Hong Kong then?

Oh! sorry, it was just to advise them,due to his vast experience!

And he doesn't need a position in the Party...........

He owns it.

Surapong said the move would help reconcile Thai people on both sides of the political divide.

For the red shirts, reconciliation is about doing everything that the red shirts want and stuff what everyone else thinks.

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Have always thought that we were paying these Qantas executrices too much!

Too true!

And the prices of their Air Fares,should tell us who really pays their salaries.

Whats "a non - binding dowry"?

another B***S**T Story?

I must confess, skeptical old me, that all the flannel-like statements coming from the PTP inlcuding the horse's mouth - "I can confirm that the amnesty has been done within the law" leads me to fear the worst.

Most of the statements have been "It's all done within the law" or "It hasn't been done to benefit one person", which doesn't actually say that Thaksin won't be on the list.

But, one of the ministers has said that Thaksin won't be getting a pardon.

That could have been said to keep the wolves from the door until it's actually too late to do anything about it.

If he does get onto the list and it is signed before anyone can do anything about it, then all hell will break loose.

Expect lies,and devious deeds,not to forget prevarication, and you most certainly will not be disappointed!

You might save a bit of tax but problems could arise in the future regarding health care in the UK and increments in the state pension. We never know what's round the corner and once the government knows you are no longer a UK resident it'll do all it can to save a few quid. A friend of mine recently had a heart attack in Pattaya, his bill came to 13,500 GBPs and that was just having a few stents inserted not a bypass operation. He is back in the UK now and seems OK now but learned an expensive and important lesson for the future.

He was considering retiring to Hua Hin but has now changed his mind. Or you could say a change of heart.

A heart by pass here you are looking at 30k up.

Dont burn your bridges and I think tax in the UK .

is 20% so now you are 5% better off already

Whent hey know you are here, they will also freeze your inflation increases on your state pension for you as well, so plan carefully, you might consider defering your pension every year you do they will increase it by 10.4% plus the annual increase and dont take the lump sum offered its not cost effective!

Defering your UK State Pension for a year, will only give you a 5% increase,and if you sit and work out the benefit of the extra 5% for the rest of your life,you will find out that it will take 10 years of receiving your State Pension to break even! so you will not start making a profit on the deal until you are 76,the average life span of UK Males last time I looked it up was 72. It's all designed by the Politicians to make a final profit on you (and cover up their years of Pension F**CK**S ) before you pop your clogs.

The whole deal is not worth considering,unless your family has an history of extreme longevity.

Defering your pension for year gives you 10.4% + annual increase which this coming year will be 5.2% so how you get that to be 5% I do not know, it looks like 15.6% to me. Every year you defer you get 10,4%. You can defer in 5 week chunks. You can decide between a lump sum ( not recommended ) or an enhanced pension for life, look at the figures and see what you think.

Yes you are correct it is 10.4% increase in Pension by defering (I don't know where I got 5% from either?) even so, deferring for 1 year would still take 10 years to recoup and break even,future increases would not affect that or indeed inflation,as both would have happened anyway,with or without the choice of defering. I don't think you can include the 5.2% increase in April as an extra bonus in the equation either? (everybody gets it,defered or not) but i'm prepared to listen to another angle?

Also the Lump Sum Option,is payable at 2% above Base Rate,which initialy doesn't sound that bad really,although it would need an in depth calculation,comparing the 2 options before deciding.

However the UK taxation for Retirees (65 years old) is £9940 Annual Allowances (exempt from taxes)

And It is against the law not to declare that you are non resident in the UK.

Whilst it's true that the age related personal allowance is £9940, it's important to point out that this allowance reduce where the income is above the income limit for age-related allowances by £1 for every £2 of income above the limit so us oldies can revert to the standard personal allowance.

I'm not sure that it's against the law to declare you're non-resident in the UK, but what is against the law is to claim the increases, and various other benefits, when you are not entitled as you are living in Thailand, which I assume is what you meant.

As a matter of interest the Thai tax rules can be found by opening this link. http://www.rd.go.th/...ish/6045.0.html

We are not too far apart in our interpretation of UK Rules and Current Legislation, the main one being that: "you must declare a change in circumstances" so going abroad to live would be a major change. which would mean that you would not be entitled to annual increases in the State Pension,of which we both agree on. So not declaring that you no longer live in the UK,would be against the law,and may at a later date,cause more problems than it is worth.

In reality there is no problem,with having your UK Pension paid directly into a Thai Bank!

Isn't there an age regulation for posting on TV?

Some of you guys are clearly not mature enough to post here!

What about closing threads like this one?

a) I really don't see, why anyone would discuss anybody else bowel movements.

b ) Reading 90% of the posts, the diarrhea that some folks have writing wise, is far worse than whatever the PM can ever have!

Wishing anyone and having a ball about anyones sicknesses is really a very, very low form of Schadenfreude.

No matter how much you "hate" a person, how he or she has done wrong or how much of an political opponent she/he is.

The whole display of discussion here is just very, very sad!

Oh come on!!!!!!

She's hardly in a life threatening situation is she!!!! It's about time she suffered for all the damage she had done and those extra unnecessary lives lost through her negligence of duty. At least she will get over it and I'm sure she is being well looked after as she can afford it - unlike her minion peasants who ARE suffering and have lost loved ones!!!!.

I'm sick to the teeth of her sickly "forced smile" as all she cares about and is concentrated on is getting her brother back to Thailand despite her protestations (blatant lies) otherwise!!!

Don't get well soon Yingluck - suffer some more as it will do you good!!!!

I suspect we will see more minor illnesses and excuses for not attending Cabinet meetings, and other appearances connected with her Prime Ministerial State Duties, and decision making etc.

She is way out of her depth, and it shows up very badly, and dodging the issues to save “face” will not work, “face” has already long departed. The Political Honeymoon was over,very quickly. And her purpose was IMO fulfilled shortly after the Vote counting had ended.

Expect more of the same.

You might save a bit of tax but problems could arise in the future regarding health care in the UK and increments in the state pension. We never know what's round the corner and once the government knows you are no longer a UK resident it'll do all it can to save a few quid. A friend of mine recently had a heart attack in Pattaya, his bill came to 13,500 GBPs and that was just having a few stents inserted not a bypass operation. He is back in the UK now and seems OK now but learned an expensive and important lesson for the future.

He was considering retiring to Hua Hin but has now changed his mind. Or you could say a change of heart.

A heart by pass here you are looking at 30k up.

Dont burn your bridges and I think tax in the UK .

is 20% so now you are 5% better off already

Whent hey know you are here, they will also freeze your inflation increases on your state pension for you as well, so plan carefully, you might consider defering your pension every year you do they will increase it by 10.4% plus the annual increase and dont take the lump sum offered its not cost effective!

Defering your UK State Pension for a year, will only give you a 5% increase,and if you sit and work out the benefit of the extra 5% for the rest of your life,you will find out that it will take 10 years of receiving your State Pension to break even! so you will not start making a profit on the deal until you are 76,the average life span of UK Males last time I looked it up was 72. It's all designed by the Politicians to make a final profit on you (and cover up their years of Pension F**CK**S ) before you pop your clogs.

The whole deal is not worth considering,unless your family has an history of extreme longevity.

of which one of them??? the passport that use the most in the last page only says that it is valid for 6 years and etc, nothing about revoke it.

I doubt any passport has the word revoke on it, but it should have the words property of.

And it usually isn't you.

He won't tell us his Nationality, because it would be simple for us to check it out.

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

No... it must be very undemocratic to cancel the passports of convicted felons.

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

I believe Passports of Countries have an International Format,which means the Citizen is the Custodian of the Passport,whilst the Government of the said Country is the Owner,which means they can claim their property back,at any time.

Unless someone else knows differently?

So, let me get this straight.... there's a waiting list (got that bit) but if you're in real need, as in you'll die if they don't hurry up, then you get treated quickly.

How is that a bad thing?

How would it be possible to provide a health service where no-one has to wait for treatment? Oh yes, a private health system in a country that has a public health system. So that if you have enough money you can get treatment whenever you like.

Fair enough, everyone else, me included, can wait a while.

I get it that you don't like the UK, I'm aware of it's drawbacks myself. But to say that it's a bad place because it's health system has waiting lists is a bit silly really isn't it?

Especially since your wait will be reduced if you're in dire need of treatment, surely that's a good thing?

Agreed!

But probably will not stop the UK Whingers and Whiners though. I suspect they were exactly the same in the UK,before they came to Thailand,but now know its futile to complain about Thailand......they know they will get nothing, except what they buy,with their own money (aquired in the UK)

"I get it that you don't like the UK" im sure your quote wasn't directed at me?

Make sure you can scuttle back to the UK if you get very sick in your old age. I am not joking; Thai health care is not only suspect, but it will cost you an arm and a leg. Typically senario: if you can't pay they won't operate, and I mean pay in advance. If you can't pay then they will nurse you until you die.

Apart from the lousy weather I think the UK is brilliant. Only all those foreigners coming into the country putting a burden on the system.

if you think the UK is brilliant I guess you have not been to too many places, if sick in the UK try and get an appointment with a specialist find out what a waiting list is, same if surgery is needed

The UK is one of the most policed countries in the so called free world one of the heaviest taxed, has the worst food wailing mosques on every street corner in short the place sucks that is why there are so many Brits over here

I had a suspected cancer two years ago. I was seen, tested, diagnosed (fortunately negative) and seen again by a consultant in 11 days. I think you'll find that the Scandinavian countries are much more heavily taxed than the UK. As for the 'wailing mosques' - I live in a Midlands town with quite a high proportion of Asians. We have one mosque (which I've never heard wailing - can buildings wail?), one Gurdwara and more churches than you can shake a stick at. It seems that absence makes the memory slightly dodgy.

Of course what the whingers will never admit,is that if your case is urgent (as in life threatening) the waiting lists will be readjusted to suit the patients need to be seen quickly.

More long term memory loss, for some i'm afraid, and with a population of 59,000,000 NHS patients to see to,then no wonder there are waiting lists.

Use our Health Service again? they keep an address in the UK,just so they can flit back home for that free Hip Replacement,or Hernia treatment,on the NHS and they don't mind the waiting lists,when it's free,and all of this in the same Country they despise so much.

Why shouldn't you use services you have already paid for?

During your working life you contribute to the country and it's services, when you finish working and retire you take back.

Why should where you choose to live after retiring affect your right to 'take back'

Just to point out the NHS is not free, you contribute taxes and NI payments when you are young.

Like you I also paid my Taxes and NI Contributions for a lifetime of working,but the Health care is available for everyone in the UK whether they paid into the system or not!

I agree with you,where you choose to live later on in life should not deny your rights to"take back" my point was: its free at source,and constantly denigrating ones Country as some do is uncalled for,to put it mildly. especially as they would be the first to go back home and claim their rights!

But you have to agree the UK is slightly oppressive at the moment.

Car parking charges and fines, speed cameras, council tax, etc.

Yes I would agree with you,but that's the fault of successive Governments, and the need to raise revenue from somewhere! to pay for Services and Benefits, that many Countries can only dream of.

Use our Health Service again? they keep an address in the UK,just so they can flit back home for that free Hip Replacement,or Hernia treatment,on the NHS and they don't mind the waiting lists,when it's free,and all of this in the same Country they despise so much.

Why shouldn't you use services you have already paid for?

During your working life you contribute to the country and it's services, when you finish working and retire you take back.

Why should where you choose to live after retiring affect your right to 'take back'

Just to point out the NHS is not free, you contribute taxes and NI payments when you are young.

Like you I also paid my Taxes and NI Contributions for a lifetime of working,but the Health care is available for everyone in the UK whether they paid into the system or not!

I agree with you,where you choose to live later on in life should not deny your rights to"take back" my point was: its free at source,and constantly denigrating ones Country as some do is uncalled for,to put it mildly. especially as they would be the first to go back home and claim their rights!

I remember something about it be alleged, that the military were pointing out people with a laser, they wanted the sniper to shoot.

Don't know if I can quotefrom this site, but a seemingly red-shirt supporter wrote

2010-04-17:

"iReport — Eyewitness report, Thai devil government slander "Red shirt kill their own". But the truth is the devil Thai army kill 23 innocent people death more than 800 injured. In the video has shown that after Red shirt protester against the rubber bullet and tear gas from the army.

After they start to used up. Then Thai army start to shoot to Red shirt protester by their sniper army in the building with real bullet. After the first one death the army try to steal the body like last year(2009) to secrete the NEWS.

The unknown heroes start to help the Red shirt protester by locate the target with green laser and attack they back with M79 bom and AK-47 gun. Then the army retreat to their base."

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-433496

I wonder what the writer's Thaivisa nick is.

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Yes it's too good a fake,no spelling mistakes,except bom for Bomb,and "secrete" "eye witness" "retreat" would unlikely be used by a non English Speaker,"their" could also be expected to be spelt wrong.

Most certainly calculated propaganda!

Make sure you can scuttle back to the UK if you get very sick in your old age. I am not joking; Thai health care is not only suspect, but it will cost you an arm and a leg. Typically senario: if you can't pay they won't operate, and I mean pay in advance. If you can't pay then they will nurse you until you die.

Apart from the lousy weather I think the UK is brilliant. Only all those foreigners coming into the country putting a burden on the system.

if you think the UK is brilliant I guess you have not been to too many places, if sick in the UK try and get an appointment with a specialist find out what a waiting list is, same if surgery is needed

The UK is one of the most policed countries in the so called free world one of the heaviest taxed, has the worst food wailing mosques on every street corner in short the place sucks that is why there are so many Brits over here

Can we have your passport back please? Or at the very least a solemn promise that you will never try to use any part of our NHS and welfare state again in your life?

And that's what the home grown UK Bashers,don't want to talk about,as soon as they,run out of money,need high cost Medical Care,their Pension is no longer enough,the Wife/GF screwed them over,whatever ?

Then it's scuttling back home time,like Ship Rats,and telling the stories how bad it is in Thailand,and it's great to have People around,who can be trusted.

No! they won't be giving their British Passports back,or giving up their British Citizenship, they know much better than to spout that hypocracy.

Use our Health Service again? they keep an address in the UK,just so they can flit back home for that free Hip Replacement,or Hernia treatment,on the NHS and they don't mind the waiting lists,when it's free,and all of this in the same Country they despise so much.

@Samram

Thank you Samran!

OK, section 17 is resolved.

What about the section that states one must notify Thailand of intention to renounce the western citizenship within 1 year of age of maturity or will result in automatic termination? I do not dispute your have dual nationality etc... many do and so does my son.

But is this, something that as long as both parties keep quiet all is OK. Or is there the chance - taking your example - if you walked into the Thai govt. office and said, I have dual nationality and did not notify intention of renouncing one, they will immediatly conduct an investigation (for whatever reason inc. an angry official) and the end result will 100% be loss of Thai citizenship?

So if you stir up a Hornets nest,they will start stinging you!

Or to put it another way,if you force the issue,and bring it to the attention of the relevent department,a decision will be made,and it's unlikely to be favourable to you or your family!

Let Sleeping Dogs lie! there are many thousands of other foreigners affected by this (my family included) there is no other way..............permanently shelve it.

^^ Sorry it is a Thai concoction and the Scandi just partnered with, funded and promoted the drink and it's Thai owner who is now the richest Thai in Thailand.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention Red Bull though can't really consider it an "invention" though..

More like a Recipe!

If we are going on about patents. the Thai company for which I work does hold a US patent for a specific kind of bag. Maybe not earth-shattering to many of the posters here, but this Thai company figured out how to do something which Western and Korean companies could not.

Holding a Patent is not the most importent part of a new innovation,the main criteria is it useful?

For example the British Patent Office/Building in London has 7,500,000 Patent claims housed there,but only around 90,000 have ever gone into production as a needed, saleable item!

In short it can be the greatest invention known to man,but if no manufacturer wants to invest his money to eventually see it on the shelves,as a needed consumer item,or it's too expensive to manufacter,then its worth and value is not worth a light,and will need to be shelved,pending discovery of cheaper production methods,or even for ever.

Excluding medicines/or Pharmaceutical products,which will be produced irrelevant of costs,but more to do with medical needs of patients,and how many patients would be using the medicine on a regular basis.

Balcony diving. I believe that was invented in Pattaya, but I am not sure if it was invented by Thai's or Farangs.

I thought it was a joint effort,one did the developement work,and the other did the demo

What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper.

I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident")

Isn't kwanchai the guy who recently said thaksin had ordered a number of very big pumps from Korea?

And did they ever arrive,or did the Bull S-H-T serve it's purpose? and didn't make it to the Drawing Board?

Maybe G K has the inside story,from his mountain of contacts in high places?

Haven't you Guys got a English Dictionary between you?

Chambers Dictionary.

detain

v (tr) 1 to stop.hold back. keep waiting or delay.

2 (of the Polce etc) to keep (someone) in a cell,prison or elsewhere,especially before trial.

See also detentiion. [OFr detente,to hold]