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10 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

You can tell someone to look at the video , but what the video doesn't show is that just before the accident , he had a meeting and maybe during that meeting they put something in his drink . That's why they should have the toxicology done properly and look if he is drugged . That surely would have caused him to swerve into whatever was on the road that he hit .

Death by Deposit Theory.

Drug victim 

Take victim outside

Run victim over

Check that there is no pulse

Stage death location 

Deposit body.

2 hours ago, Grumpy John said:

The guys food or drink was drugged.  There are enough dangerous drugs out there will not show up at autopsy unless the examiner is looking for the drug or signs of the drug.

Or this poor sole suddenly after becoming a key witness got drunk with the other bike rider, who never knew him and then were in such a hurry to go and seek a female that he decided to ride behind and follow him to a local comfort house. On the way his helmet fell off and he turned back briefly, could not find it then realized that he better catch up to the man that never knew him or miss out on the action. 
He then rode at high speed to catch him up , the man that never knew him wondered where he was, turned his head back to look for him lost control of his bike which turned on its side and before he could say ouch, he was run over by his new friend who now I hope rests in piece 

9 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

I didn't know an autopsy could confirm that a death was an accident. Only in Thailand can autopsies confirm intent! 

With the spleen damage as well as the rest it sounds similar to self inflicted suicide by baseball bat

4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I posted this in another thread, but i think it is relevant to this discussion as well. BTW, a better statement from the tourism guy is to let long-term people in rather than a country-specific group.

 

I think it is time for Thailand to re-evaluate its Virus Response policy.

 

Thailand has been following a 'Zero-Tolerance' policy, but I think it is time to move to a 'Managed-Tolerance' policy. I make this suggestion based mainly on two factors; I think it is inevitable that the virus will return to Thailand and a calm, managed response is more effective than hysteria. Secondly, the economic damage being done to millions is more harmful than the virus itself and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

 

We recently saw new cases in Vietnam, and I think that we are going to see new cases in Thailand soon; like most people I take the government's claim of zero cases with a grain of salt, although it seems like they have done a very good job overall. However, I don't think it can last. A better policy is to prepare, both medically and in terms of public opinion/education, for the return of the virus. Is this a radical idea? No, not really. Members will recall the phrase "flatten the curve", but perhaps a reminder is needed that the idea is to manage the virus so that the health system isn't overwhelmed; a policy of Zero Tolerance is incompatible with an open society and/or open economy. It is time to re-enforce the precautions needed, but also to allow for an economic re-start which includes outsiders/foreigners. A final point; humanity's best minds and a boat-load of resources are being thrown at the problem. This global effort, propelled by the power of competition, is expected to produce a vaccine either this year or early next year while treatments are being developed and refined daily; we as a species are going to beat this scourge, and relatively soon.

 

The economic damage being done to Thailand is immense. Yes, I know that we don't hear about it too much, but there is a reason for that. The people talking in the (not quite free) Media are almost all in a 'Virus-Proof' economic situation; they aren't directly affected so they don't feel the urgency of fixing the problem. Firm numbers are difficult to come by, but it seems around 6-9 million Thais are very badly hurt by the economic fall-out of the virus, and those people need to be both helped and heard. The damage done to these people is egregious and growing worse; some government support is being withdrawn, the option of 'Go Back to the Farm' isn't really possible anymore (and not a great idea regardless), and they will soon need more food and rent support to survive. Further, many aren't well-educated and don't have transferable skills, so their options are limited. Finally, even before Covid-19, their economic situation was in decline; it is in free-fall now and they can't be ignored. Simply put, plans for their economic regeneration must to be formulated now and implemented soon.

 

When people are hungry, all bets are off.

 

How to proceed?

 

It is the beginning of August; continue/speed up the current repatriation policy 'as is', but ramp up the public education aspect of change. Announce that by October 1st (perhaps Nov. 1st?) that the airspace around Thailand will be open to commercial air travel, long-term tourists (Snow-Birds who 'winter' here), remaining residents and retirees will be allowed to return with a few restrictions (test before boarding or on arrival, reasonable insurance, self-isolation at home on arrival, etc. BUT no mandatory state quarantine), implement common sense visa issuance (sorry Floridians and Texans!) and most of all prepare the Thai people for the idea that although there will be cases of the virus, they will be managed, and the benefits of re-opening are a risk worth taking. Yes, the end of mandatory state quarantine is essential if this is going to work; I believe that the long-term visitors will respect the self-isolation policy and Thailand's million strong public health volunteers can monitor them, but they won't come if they are going to be locked up. Moreover, the selection of the residents/retirees and 'Snow-Birds' as an initial group isn't accidental; these people already know the Kingdom and understand life within it, are good 'testers' of a new system, have a lot of money to spend, and can be excellent examples of a working policy of re-opening. Finally, allowing these kinds of visitors would build confidence, test whether short-term tourists could actually visit (I think not yet, but...), and help protect the tourism infrastructure from further and/or irreparable damage.

 

There are those who will argue that it is better to keep the borders closed and wait this out, and I honestly have trouble arguing against that idea (I don't want to catch the <deleted> thing). However, those who make that point rarely take the next step; what do you do with the 6-9 million people damaged by the current policy? Will those that advocate for closed borders take in homeless people? If so, how many? One family? Two families? Three? Will those that advocate for closed borders give up a percentage of their salaries/pensions to help? If so, how much? 25%? 35%? 45%? Will those that advocate for closed borders pay school fees and related costs for all the children of unemployed/underemployed parents? How many kids? One? Five? Twenty? The question isn't merely an intellectual exercise, it has real-world implications and consequences. 

 

If you want those 6-9 million people to sacrifice for you, what are you going to sacrifice for them?

 

To sum up, I think that the question of whether or not to keep the border closed is incomplete. The question should be: if you keep the border closed, then what will you do for the 6-9 million people economically-eviscerated by the response to the virus? Opening the Kingdom to visitors in November for the high season would likely see a few cases of the virus, but the Thai medical system can handle that (it did before, right?) until a vaccine is widely available. It would begin the process of re-starting the tourism industry in Thailand (20% of GDP!!!), begin the process of building trust again, re-start the employment of huge numbers, give Thailand a 'leg up' on future tourism business in the region, and alleviate some of the damage done to the poorest in the Kingdom. The alternative is a policy of rot, idleness, atrophy and decline with an indefinite timeline. 

 

History is replete with examples of people hiding behind walls for protection, but it rarely ever works (especially against something the size of a virus); see the 'Maginot Line', the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, and more. History shows that a combination of pro-active tactics coupled with reasonable, layered defenses provides a better outcome to almost any problem.

 

 Very well written,  but opening up is not working, if all the Thai’s in quarantine had

strolled in without it there would now be a massive outbreak, same would have happened in NZ,  bit to early yet, I think a vaccine will probably be rolling b4 Xmas 

25 minutes ago, garzhe said:

Heard no more of the dentist who supposedly prescribed the drugs for him. If hes still around I bet hes all the time looking over his shoulder.

The drug that has not been used for 100 years by Dentists and who’s chemical signature has no resemblance to cocaine 

2 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Do they not do autopsy’s as a norm anyway? 

Why would anyone trust a biopsy, it made no difference to the b2 case  No DNA on the murder weapon made no difference. They will probably conclude the Wittnes was drunk and suffered a heart attack 

15 hours ago, anterian said:

The more they talk the more unbelievable it becomes. Surely Boss can hire someone to come up with a consistent credible package of lies, not this rubbish we are currently being fed.

He can’t because Prayut is the big Boss.

11 hours ago, Dap said:

That's what I'd say as well.

Why would the police question him about that , just a peasant on a bike looking for a nice happy ending, those dam police are so suspicious In fact this brings back memories of Diana’s death.

11 hours ago, thequietman said:

So, who did they pay the money to then, if he has no family?  ????

His brother 

18 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

It looks to me that he hit a bike that was lying in the road in the left lane. There are two bikes?

Yes that's what I think, definitely 2 bikes here and no body is going near the bike in the middle of the road. Maybe if one drank to much one day one would be a liability, or maybe one might have been stuped and stupid and never was going to be trusted, better sooner than later before the beans get spread all over the table.

My guess- suicide from guilty conscience or loose tongue sealed for good. 

Family envelope due here soon.

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Looking at the worldwide news everyday I am happy to be in Thailand with no or little Covid-19.

Many people complain about the government but I think especially in this case we have to say: Good job. Thanks.

And then there are all the Thai people who take this serious. Most were wearing masks right from the beginning. Nobody had to order the people to wear masks, they were smart enough to do it by themselves. Great.

 

And the economy? Obviously that is bad and it will continue to be bad for some time. Nobody likes that. But what's the alternative? Opening up the borders and inviting tourist in? How long will it take before they infect others? And then? Let it spread or shut down again? I think no international tourists is the best from all the bad options.

Being stuck here in NZ I have been watching closely and listening to my friends and my Thai wifes relations ect who do say covid is not a problem.

My Sister in law and mother inlaw work in the large markets in Hua Hin and they say no problem.

So I would say that maybe due to the hot weather and masks and possibly some advice and help from the Chinese that covid is under control.

I would not agree that Thailand leads the world, they have far more people in quarantine with covid than the other top 8.

I also would never believe the death toll.

However the place seems safe for now which is great and I hope I can return with my family to my home this year or early next year.

Some one said the BK post reported some covid deaths a week ago so if that's true then god only knows the truth.

I just asked my wife if she was aware about Boss getting discharged she said thai people don't care, then my friend rang his wife in esan and she said the same.

Thai people are more worried about filthy falaangs coming to LOS, the stupid government has shot themselves in the foot, it will be some time before the big jets fly.

Taking a side bet I would bet that as we speak the US has started a 30,000 people trial for a vaccine.

The test will be a success and we will be all getting jabbed and with a vaccination certificate in hand marching to the airports within 6 months.

Kids will not be able to go to school without a certificate nor will anyone in the world be able to travel without the jab. 

Big Pharma wins and makes billions from developing a vaccine financed by handouts from the tax payer.

23 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Refusing service to a customer because of their race is illegal in my country, but my country is not a banana republic like Thailand. A foreigner is not more likely to have COVID-19 than a Thai. There are way more Thai people entering Thailand from overseas (repatriated) who could be infected with the virus and who could break their quarantine. Did you ever think of that? Given the closure of the border to most foreigners it is actually less likely that a random foreigner would be infected than a random Thai.

 

By the way, despite my "banana republic" comment, I love Thailand. It is a pity, however, that there are so many ignorant Thais with this kind of banana republic mentality.

That mentality applies to god who runs Thailand, he was worried about the comments of Boss's not guilty being approved, he was worried because the people that decided to do this were above him and Boss has more power than him.

13 hours ago, steven100 said:

for all those who think the restaurant broke any discrimination law ...   

 

 

He looks to me to be asian, so does that mean that when the Chinese are allowed back they will not be served, oh forgot they will only be directed to Chinese owned venues by their tour guides.

11 hours ago, Artisi said:

A few care, possibly many, but the world caring - not on this planet. 

The world cares when the media brings newsworthy (in their judgement) events across to the public.

The Media are controlled by private interests, you hardly hear of arms deals that killed thousands or the amount of people dying daily from Monsanto and Dupont chemical poisoning.

Only with reluctance will the media report on many events other than sensationalism.

The world does care, however the world is dismayed they have to look at Donald Duck leading America to ruin fully well knowing he is a paid puppet (apart from some rednecks) the same in Thailand  we well know corruption is rife, we well know the world is run by bigger interests, by oligarchs and psychopaths who put people into power like Hitler for their own financial interests.

They do not care, this world now in a state of madness facing the worst depression in history.

Meanwhile the tax payers money is being thrown at pharmaceutical companies in the billions to create a vaccine that if and when it comes they will make billions from.

These maniacs do not care.

People in public do care but are helpless and their voices will not be heard across the news media if it could harm the people that pull the strings.

All the world is but a stage and each and every one but an actor. 

PS Just listening to medical experts on Radio NZ , the new fear is that C 19 is entering the Nose and crossing directly to the brain causing permanent brain damage.

It is also causing strokes and many other complications after recovery.

The world may end up just like a Zombie movie.

7 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

My coffe just spewed from my nose and I fell to the floor laughing so hard at such a ridiculous new concept for tourism......

TAT Slogan "Fly to Thailand and be quarantined in our spacious and most luxurious cells, do not forget to tell your friends of the new scared straight tourusm experience"

Or does he mean releasing prisoners to start new careers as motorcycle taxis, pimps and drug dealers in tourism areas?

45 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Ever wonder why it is so much easier for super wealthy people to come up with helpful witnesses, a d expert testimony? 

 

Do they honestly think anyone, and I mean anyone, is buying this load of nonsense? This is Thailand's version of "hi-so justice". 

If they want to save face now the justice department will have to pardon the B2

On 7/27/2020 at 3:53 PM, 4MyEgo said:

He's probably been in the country just prior to the announcement that they were dropping the charges, all part of the plan.

 

We probably won't see or hear from him for a while as his family wouldn't want him on the local radar due to the flack they have been receiving of late, you know, bad for business. 

Agree, also there would be no fear of local retaliation, not a chance, in other countries there would be that fear. The only fear here is the above, guess the poor boy will have to wait it out, Spain would be a good place then if he returned in his private Jet a new covid breakout that would never exist might occur.

38 minutes ago, lostmebike said:

Can't be embarrassment. He doesn't do feelings. 

 

Maybe uncomfortable with the 2  (turn up 8 years later)new witnesses who have built in speed cameras in there sunglasses and clearly saw the policeman recklessly turn his bike in front of the bratts car. 

16 hours ago, Upnotover said:

or

Which one is it then?

Both, he will refrain from taking selfies for one week, and visit temples.

18 hours ago, DGS1244 said:

OK what time of day was this video made? looks like around 6 am, Burger King etc. are all closed by the looks of it. This area is quite anyway at that time of day. Would really help if people were a little more forthcoming on their information.

I have seen Koh samui deserted in parts like this in low season, my friend has a bar there that is empty every low season his wife still keeps it open at present don’t know why but she doesn’t have to pay the bills. So even dirty Falange stuck overseas are still putting money into Los.

22 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Some Thai are indeed ashamed, but the great majority just accept the system. 

They take advantage of it regularly themselves, in one way or another. 

There is some political 

movement in the air at present 

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

sorry but medical tourists and 200 elite holders wont make a dent in that 2/3rds loss - though I am sure the TAT will spin it as tourism growth

This could be enough to fill about 3 planes, I do not think any airline will be excited about this.

So no opening august the 1st now which means they are nowhere near ready and nowhere near clear of c19.

Interestingly I went onto Thai airways booking site and they are taking bookings now but you would be mad to make one, beats me why they think they can take your money now and no guarantee of a flight, not just them many others as well.

A friend of my wifes in high places says LOS will not open until next year at the earliest.

22 hours ago, Deli said:

And how many will do this ?

The country needs nbrs and full planes, with people who stay a week or two. Not single individuals here and there

Problem 1, when returning to your home country you will have to go into quarantine and pay for it.     2, Flights with be hard to get and if you can get one it’s probably an repatriation flight returning to base and will be expensive