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22 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The week that was in Thailand news: “Ngong pai mot”: Don’t worry, being confused is part of living in Thailand

 

 

Thailand seemed to be having an identity crisis this week. Add to that the fact that every government ministry, department and even spokesman is going off on their own never converging tangent. It leaves the rest of us in a state of utter confusion and reminds me of a word I always taught my foreign Thai language students.
 
That is งง or ngong – easy to spell, it doesn’t even have a vowel, just an assumed one. Fiendishly hard to say for those not familiar with the tongue dexterity (sorry I didn’t study linguistics and don’t know the technical terms) or language background needed to articulate an opening “Ng” sound. But beautifully simple and guaranteed a laugh if you can pronounce it correctly. (Probably more guffaws if you can’t).
 
When accompanied by a few words to give context and aid in the interlocutor’s understanding such as “phom ngong pai mot khrap” or “that’s completely flummoxed me” it can really hit home and grab a Thai’s attention.
 
I used to say such an expression will hold you in good stead in Thailand and can be used very frequently. Almost as much as “lot noi dai mai khrap” – “could you make that cheaper, kind sir?”
 
My students were not to worry about why they were perplexed, however. It wasn’t just the visitor who was confused. Even if you had been here yonks and studied the language and culture it could be utterly baffling. Even the Thais struggle with comprehending it all.
 
Consequently, the natives come up with many expressions to hide their own bewilderment that are usually summed up for any perplexed foreigner with a smile and a swift delivery of the all-encompassing term:
 
“Amazing Thailand!”
 
They leave it at that (especially if your Thai language skills are lacking).
 
Those that think they can figure out Thailand invariably come a cropper when the “truth”, such as it is, emerges. They are just those bar stool numpties out to impress the new arrival with their profound knowledge of Thai culture gleaned from years of imagining that the Thai mother-in-law is badmouthing them when she is really asking how many chilies he can manage.
 
A case of confusion this week was a simple and relatively unimportant matter in the grand scheme of things. Next weekend’s cultural festival of Loy Krathong. A charming occasion when Thais of all descriptions come together in secular harmony to float away their worries on boats made of banana leaf, chrysanthemums and joss-sticks. They may need to be Titanic-esque given what we have endured this year.
 
Being a full moon day it falls on a different date but this year it’s the same night as Halloween. This is leading to some contradictory messages especially as Loy Krathong doesn’t have the force of a Buddhist holiday or royal celebration and is not even a day off.
 
It’s one of few days in the year when everyone in Thailand actually goes to work though they usually take the next one off due hangovers.
 
This is by-the-by as it will be a Saturday, October 31st. So why the confusion?
 
The culture minister stated his fervent hope that all his compatriots will come together in the MOAT (the Mother of All Thai-ness) and float away their problems dressed in traditional Thai costume. Pretty standard that one. Culture ministers always put their heads above the parapets on traditional days or when pretties at the Motor Show twerk too aggressively.
 
Meanwhile in Bangkok, guv’nor General Aswin said that he would be giving away zillions in prizes for the best scary Halloween costume in an event to mark the revamping of Khao San Road. Halloween is one of those events adopted by Thais, like Christmas, to boost the retail sector.
 
My outfit is a shoe-in for the top prize – a grotesque ministerial rubber head adorned with a khaki surgical mask complimented with a white doctor’s tunic borrowed from a deputy high up in the health ministry. Finished off with clown’s feet that can easily be inserted in the mouth. I tried it out on my kids – they were scared witless – even though no blood was necessary to complete the illusion.
 
It will be interesting if any young people, or even the middle classes, dress similarly next weekend.
 
Meanwhile, the confusion was further exacerbated by what is planned in QUOTES (the Queen Of The Eastern Seaboard). Central announced that this year’s concept for the “Bikini Beach Run” – yes, October 31st as well - would be to have it at night and make everybody glow in the dark. A bit like Chernobyl without radiation.
 
In addition – and somewhat removed from the culture minister’s stance – fun-runners would be encouraged to “rub shoulders” with ladies described as “E-Cups”. It’s almost worth putting on running shoes to see what that might mean!
 
Anyway, I expect that as always Thais and what foreigners there are in Thailand will enjoy themselves whatever their bent next Saturday. Either that or ask the authorities to have a word with the moon to adjust its schedule.
 
They’d probably try.
 
That we will no longer be under curfew for the celebrations came as a relief to many this week. Prayut – a tad surprisingly and looking a bit like Gary Cooper – lifted the latest emergency decree at High Noon Thursday saying things had settled down enough. Strange, as I was reading about tens of thousands on the streets of varying colors.
 
What this strategy may mean sent the Thaivisa forum into a tailspin that made “ngong” look like an understatement. Some hailed the move, others suspected ulterior motives. Maybe the authorities had overplayed their hand, even overstepped the mark and needed to backtrack. I’ll leave it at that. The new media restrictions were lifted but we still have the regular ones.
 
Confusion – Mega Ngong if you like – reigned after the arrival of the first batch of Chinese tourists in Bangkok on Tuesday. Were they really tourists at all? Conspiracy theories abounded.
 
The media and the government couldn’t even decide how many there were. Sanook said 41, Anutin said 40 and print media went with 39. Hopefully the disparity didn’t mean the odd one managed to sneak off for a surreptitious prawn buffet undetected.
 
A video showed the tourists in masks, shields and raincoats even though the monsoon had abated. They were putting possessions in plastic bags. “Welcome to Thailand!” one media caption exclaimed in transliteration. Welcome indeed; if one British guy’s description of the “prison-like” quarantine, the last in “The Stranded” series, is to be believed, it won’t be a bed of kulaaps.
 
In Pattaya business leaders claimed Thai consulates in Russia were telling tourists they couldn’t get the “much coveted” Certificate of Entry. They seemed unaware that the resort was offering its own local state quarantine. Then Mega Ngong became Ultra Mega Ngong when the Chinese extended their ban on outgoing tours as well as instigating one for inbound tourists.
 
This all had Thai tourism minister Pipat actually admitting there was “confusion” – rather like the pot belly calling the kettle “dam”. He promised to put the record straight with the Thai foreign ministry and have a word with the Chinese so that their folk would realize they needed just a few bits of paper, a swab or two and could come as independent travelers. Simple!
 
The TAT rep for Asia, Chatthanan, chimed in that he knew the Chinese all wanted to come; they were just waiting to see how the “ambassadorial” first group’s visit would pan out. Another TAT-bod on a video conference call in Pattaya said all Chinese prefer Thailand to their own country for holidays.  
 
The authorities continued to bandy about the idea of reducing quarantine to ten days as if that would make any difference. Then quarantining at golf courses was floated. This seemed a bit rough for those who don’t like golf but par for the course for the Thais grappling to find any band aid for Thai tourism.
 
Incidentally, Thaivisa has begun a series called “Quarantine Tales” about what it is like to undergo that process in Thailand with tips for those who appreciate that jumping through the paperwork hoops and going through the expense and isolation may be the only way they can get back to loved ones, their property, their lives. They are unlikely to be tourists in the usual sense of the word.
 
In other tourism-cum-virus news, busy Pipat admitted that Thailand had taken a 1.57 trillion baht hit compared to last year while that video call between business leaders and TAT reps in Pattaya gave encouragement from China and doom and gloom from Russia and India.
 
It looks like Naan Plaza will have to wait for another year or two.
 
More misery was being experienced in Bangkok and surrounding provinces with the collapse of the housing market. Almost 200,000 properties worth nearly a trillion baht are empty and analysts are calling for the government to continue transfer and stamp duty easing due to end in December.
 
Rooster has had both relative success and failure in the Thai property market. I am grateful that my tenants – albeit at a low rent – are still sending me money!

The collapse of tourism and the dire state of the economy – that has contracted more than 7% - was rather like Koh Talu island in Krabi that crashed into the sea and broke up. A video showed cracks forming before 40,000 tons of rock tumbled.
 
In international news Rudy Giuliani claimed he was set up by Sacha Baron Cohen who entrapped him using an actress posing as a reporter in a hotel room. “I was only tucking myself in after removing recording equipment” said the former mayor of New York. Borat Subsequent Moviefilm is due out imminently so we can be the judge!
 
President Trump and challenger Biden squared off in the final debate less than two weeks before what promises to be a momentous polling day and a historical decision for the American people. In a more restrained debate, the pair clashed over Covid and race and traded corruption barbs. Forty million are reckoned to have voted already.
 
Rooster has ordered extra supplies of 20 baht bags of Taro popcorn.
 
In the UK tougher virus restrictions came in for millions as a spat between Westminster and the leaders in Manchester dominated the news. Not for the first time in history people “oop north” are complaining that the “softy southerners” keep ordering them about.
 
Back in Thailand animal rights and sentencing in the courts featured prominently. A horrific tale of a Chinese tourist who had been rounding up stray cats on Koh Phi Phi then extracting their claws and putting them in hotel fridges soon concluded with his arrest. A six-month suspended prison sentence, 15,000 baht fine and immediate deportation was not enough for many outraged animal lovers on the forum.
 
He claimed that what he did would not be illegal in China and he had no idea about the law in Thailand. Well Mr Chee, we’ve heard that one before.
 
Posters were also incensed by a Phuket man who let the expat side down by dumping his mutt outside the Soi Dog Foundation. His abandoned pet tried to chase him home. A 2,000 baht fine ensued and the forum went predictably ballistic saying it was one rule for foreigners and one for Thais. I recall translating plenty of stories about Thais being handed jail terms for animal cruelty.  
 
A Bangkok court handed down what was described as a lenient sentence for a rather uncivil servant who brandished a gun at a taxi driver outside the Government Complex. Unfortunately, we were left hanging as to what that sentence was.
 
In vaccine news it was announced that Oxford University would be working with a Thai company. This good news brought out the Barmy Bashing Army aiming low blows at foreigners who dared to engage with what they see as a corrupt government. (Anutin denied any such thing when asked by reporters). It’s time to put such considerations aside for the benefit of the common good and appreciate that Thailand has a lot to offer in the medical field.
 
Its credentials in handling the pandemic are not without merit and the success of agencies like the Government Pharmaceutical Organization are well documented.
 
Meanwhile, Thaivisa’s Facebook arm in particular could do without the anti-vaxxers, big pharma bashers and assorted coronavirus conspiracy theorists. Rooster reported more people than ever to Facebook for spouting nonsense on other sites this week. Alternative views are one thing, patent lies and dangerous statements with spurious links quite another.
 
Well done to poster “Mister Whisper” who spotted the most “Trinkisms” in last week’s column. However, some were actually “Roosterisms” and he missed “the resort” (Pattaya), “conflagration” (a favorite word for fire), “you have been warned” and “’nuff said”. Still a good showing and deserving of a tin of Dinty Moore Beef Stew.
 
Finally, I would like to register my appreciative wonder at the US space program for their stellar achievement in landing a spacecraft on the Bennu asteroid 330 million miles from Earth.
 
It was only the briefest of touchdowns to grab a sample of pristine material to help scientists determine the makeup of the early solar system. It remains to be seen how much asteroid NASA’s Osiris-Rex managed to collect and whether it can return successfully home.
 
But this was a stunning human achievement.
 
Rooster
 

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On 10/25/2020 at 7:02 AM, Scott said:

With a tensions running high on the run-up to the US election, who do you think will win the election?  Please make your choice from the options listed.  Remember this is who you think will win the election and not who you want to win the election.

 

Please feel free to post a comment, but unnecessary discussion will be removed.   There are numerous threads with specific issues in which discussion is more important.  Please limit discussion about election related issues, polls and related issues.

 

 

A race between Donald Duck and a Geriatric mumbled mind is to hard to call

3 minutes ago, Winniej said:

Where on that list does it say no tests . 
Trump wouldn’t be able to couldn’t to 10 

I might add,,,, Weather in tropical climates has been touted as having no effect on C19, yet numbers are escalating as winter sets in, in Europe. 

Now the vaccine. Manic ding dongs are scrambling to come up with an,, answer to civil war, how far will they go 

22 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

What a surprise, must be loads of positives walking around, but it was a mild infection for the French woman.

A million or two amongst 65 million and a statics professor with his tounge cut out, hands tied, a selfie addict covered in flowers, what can possibly go wrong 

On 10/23/2020 at 5:02 PM, Grumpy John said:

Send the bill to your mates in Beijing.  They let the Wuhan China virus out so they can make restitution to every country effected.

 

Did you not know, filthy falangs brought the virus, so they all got sent to Pattaya then the borders stayed open to make sure they were all rounded up then when they finished their holiday were sent home to Europe, After this massive exodus Thailand was cleansed. 

It is now apparent that small businesses have been crucified and families can't pay the never, never installments for the pickups, so domestic tourism is not affordable. 

They are just waking up that the trickle down theory has and is dried out. 

My relatives tell me they're putting up barbed wire on the top of the walls

now as crime is on the up. 

Do not fear the compulsory Jabber is near. 

On 10/23/2020 at 3:33 PM, Tropicalevo said:

Except that they were not tourists.

From another spokesman from the CCSA - The successful trip of a government delegation from China.

The STV is not available in most countries, not available yet from NZ or Australia, I suspect only Available to Chinese businesses people, and highly probable they have been vaccinated. Cp group Thailands wealthiest family have been linked to these people in overseas media reports. It has been widely published that the vaccine has been given to CEOs and their children. 

The military have been vaccinated, so this STV could be the Start Tourism Vaccine trial for the mob to flood back into the Land Of the Chinese Jab. 

They are not issuing STV for Sputnik 5 tourists yet. 

6 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

most likely on a mission for the Chinese government.

CP group executives, that's who they are Mr Dhanins mates on a shopping spree, quarantine will be a breeze, special service, and I would bet - they've all had a jab of the newly approved C19 vaccine and this trip will be hailed a screaming success Watch this space. 

17 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Who, if infected, could pass it onto any one of these 41 aliens, if it's true, what many posters say, that Thai returnees don't need to be tested before flying !

I helped send 2 Thai girls who were students staying with us at home on the first repat flight to BK. 

They had a fit to fly from the local GP and a declaration form signed that they had not been in a covid area for 2 weeks, all docs had to be less than 72 hours old. They had to do 2 weeks state quarantine on arrival, their mother went into quarantine with them. 

Cost then was 3700 NZ each, quarantine was free, process simple for Thais, not simple for expats as we well know. 

Some good news is I got a local insurance Thai company price for basic cover to be allowed back 25000 Bhat for one year so thinking about doing it after Xmas if flights look OK 

5 hours ago, baansgr said:

It's been so quite without tourism, not looking forward to all the traffic and queues these 400 are going to make

 

 

They probably will have had a shot of the chinese vaccine, this might be a vaccine test as well.

Bring a few more in gradually, if none get infected. Open up a bubble. The first lot will be busy snapping up real estate they won't have time to play volley ball on Pattaya beach with the sports ministers team.

18 hours ago, 19DL86 said:

A slight nuance to the earlier post #1 teachers.  Whilst I see that TVF and Rooster are doing so in good faith and with compassion, to try and make those of us who might be living under a large rock,(therefore unaware) of these scenarios.  But pressuring the current administration and Immigration, not a good move.

Ref Richard Barrow and the TM30 climb down. Just my opinion.

I've lived here a long while and the writing has been on the wall for a large part of the last 10 years, the letters growing larger year after year.  But some people choose to ignore this.  I feel, as do many Expats we are not so much welcomed, nor tolerated as we once might have felt.  Too much shifting sands for my like,ing to warrant investment here.  There's a growing Nationalism right the way across the World from US to UK an increasing hostility to foreigners, and immigrants.  Thailand is no different.

I see a new "flag" being waved how many of those here will ignore this "writing in the wall" - it's started with the "Elite Visa" investments, then the enforcement of funds seasoning in Thai banks for Non O visa applicants.  Then the STV and more recently the starkly frightening requirement of 3MilBt deposit in Govt Bonds or bank, to return to your own Condo.  So on and so.

Only a few days have passed since I read in these very pages that the banks aren't guaranteeing deposits in excess of 1MilBt, after next year, and so too other alarming stories coming out of the financial institutions.

To me it's evident Thailand is financially over stressed and on their way to hell in a hand cart.

Many of these foreigners unable to return or access their accounts might be eyed as easy prey.  Those nominee shareholder "shelf" Companies owning land and houses to circumvent property ownership laws, might be low hanging fruit.

Be very cautious don't ever think what happened in Zimbabwe 40 years ago can't be repeated.  We re living in perilous times and Chinas current attitude and influence must not be taken too lightly.  

Just my thoughts and not in any way professional.
 

Very well said, I might add,,the stories TV published are nowhere near as bad as my friends stuck here in NZ, my own story is worse than those published. Thailand is a Total train wreck, if our governments did what Thailand is doing to Thai people overseas this would probably stop. Violation of human rights is a crime, but hey the world thrives on cruelty to humans, and now humans or the people that rule humans are destroying animals, the planet, and humans.

Buying bunkers is the new normal for the sociopathic maniacs that reek havoc on this world. 

59 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I think the requirement is the TEST date\time has to be no more than 72 hours before departure, not the certificate date. The certificate date is not what is checked so if your test was done more than 72 hours before departure you may very well get stopped from boarding. I don't think there is any wiggle room in that requirement. You may want to grab another test quickly if you can. I'm guessing you also have a fit to fly certificate also done within 72 hours of flying???? That's also part of the requirement. You may have read the regs incorrectly as that rule has always been no more than 72 hours for test and fit to fly.

I think the clock starts at midnight beginning of the day, by the date on the certificate and is valid until midnight, ending third day. So if your outside this you may need another certificate, unless the time is clearly on your certificate you would count down from that time. 

I just helped 2 students return home to Thailand and that's how I figured it as the doctor never put the time on the certificate. 

5 hours ago, John Drake said:

I am wondering just who is the "well heeled" person from Germany who only flies in for visits and has his own private jet.

I'll give me 3 guesses, let me dwell on it, I'll get back to you when I work it out, maybe Google could shine some light on this 

On 10/13/2020 at 9:20 PM, ChipButty said:

I find that excuse a bit lame because of the Vegetarian Festival. they would have been in quarantine would they not?

Apparently!

Two truck drivers from Myanmar test positive in Thailand a few days ago.

China is trying to restrain a new covid outbreak.

The world is going mad with covid at present.

If you watch the documentary on RT ,accessible from you tube, about why America has so much covid, you will see a gigantic mess, mass graves on an island in New York that has not been used for years.

The homeless were ordered by New York police to stay in warehouses at night, forced at gun point, packed in like sardines and then released during the day.

154% rise in homeless death toll in April.

Huge Body trucks stacked full of bodies that rotted because they had no where to bury them.

This warehouse packing at night of homeless spread the disease through new york, having Disney Land open in  Florida accelerated covid,  the country is rioting , a complete out of control mess.

I think Prayut could manage America better.

One USA citizen said on the news '' I would vote for someone with half a brain and one leg rather than vote for Donald trump.

So Thailand is in good shape, why not start letting a few back in from covid safe countries.

NZ is one, they will start one way traffic from NZ to Australia today and open the Cook Islands up soon.

Australia is slowly coming right, Vietnam has done well there are others.

China has vaccinated many and so far this looks good, the Russian vaccine is looking good.

But so far the rest of the world is a complete and utter mess, America leads the charge of reckless virus spreading, Brazil, India not far behind, so the truth is < Thailand should be wary and the restrictions are very similar everywhere, Thailand could lighten up on the stupid rip off insurance vultures, and the rip off quarantine hotels who say they are full when you ask for a lower rate. 

If you watch the Documentary about Ivermectin on you tube you will need to make your own decision as to who is BS'ing who.

From what I see ,big pharma are holding the world to ransom, airlines are taking billions in bailout money as well as corporations, and through all this, bad Covid management and lies are wrecking the globe.

I still want to return home to LOS soon so I hope they introduce a airport tax to cover health and stop this run by greedy insurance companies and greedy quarantine hotels, that are driving tourists away.

This will help the Airlines get up and running-- or don't the world care, just print taxpayers money and hand it to them

10 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Does Dubai have an extradition treaty with Thailand or not.  Not sure they do if Thaksin is still there under the watchful eye of the Emirates.

I said a few weeks ago he was staying in a sleepout at the back of Thaksins apartment 

On 10/7/2020 at 2:07 AM, samsensam said:

 

sorry you're having problems but such situations can easily be avoided. i've lived in several apartments and never had any issues, i dont know of any friends who have had problems either. i recommend putting effort and research into where you choose to live, check places out, speak to people who live there, if you have friends ask for recommendations. my current apartment block is managed extremely well; the owners are educated and speak english, courteous staff who speak passable english, good security, any problems are sorted efficiently by in house staff, anyone causing noise or other problems gets one warning and is then evicted. there are good places out there.

My landlady is about 80 and Chinese, she wanted me to pay for the roof to be fixed as it was leaking, she said we broke it. 

Then she said she would have to increase the rent to fix the roof. After some argument I told her your roof is wrecking my furniture and wrecking your house and nobody will rent your house. 

I keep it nice, I put air in and a new water pump as the old one died. 

I kept the old one and when I move I'm going to take my aircon and put the old pump back. Some landlords are good and some are ruthless 

12 hours ago, Mavideol said:

555 if I remember correctly, in the past it was published that average Chinese spend 5,000 baht during their short stay in Thailand, if it still be correct then 120 Chinese x 5,000 baht = 600,000 baht.... that supposely will save Phuket's tourism 555

These are not normal tourists, 

They are CP group executives. 

They possibly have been vaccinated as well. They are not coming to spend 5000 bht. 

They are on a mission much bigger than 5K BHT

On 10/10/2020 at 3:13 AM, Don Mega said:

so all that fan fare about Thailand have a vaccine a few months back was just buffalo excrement ?

 

Did the HIV cure Thailand invented ever hit the market ?

Its called Ivermectin, and Thailand used it, in fact India and Bangladesh, South America are using it. The only country's not using it are Europe, USA, Australia, New Zealand. 

Why? It only costs 20 cents per dose, Remidisiver costs 3000 USA per dose and does not work. 

However the FDA shunned ivermectin in favour of Remidisiver and media did not link conflicts of interest, even to Fauci, who indirectly was linked. This is for C19 I'm talking about, and C19 contains a part of HIV in its code. 

Patients treated so far have been covid free after 4 days, does this explain why Thailand has had such good treatment results. Now the string pullers want to claim that someone is a guru and then line the pockets of insurance companies and private hospitals by first allowing people who require medical treatments into the land of no more smiles. 

If mothers Thai go to Wellington and get your Thai passport you need to have your birth certificate, does not matter if your born in NZ.

Get a certified translation of birth certificate. If your father is Thai and mother falang it is harder, the embassy told me this when I got my sons passport. You can then enter Thailand without insurance and get free quarantine, you can reenter NZ on a NZ passport but if the border is still restricted you will have to pay for quarantine as you left voluntarily. 

Depending on how old you are you could be required to do military service.

Maybe Ubon Joe's ideas are best for you. 

Better to take mother with you and all her documentation, your father's name should be on your birth certificate and if you can take certified copies of his I'd. 

When I got my sons passport they issued it within one hour and were extremely helpful, I just sat back and mom and my son did it all, in fact they fussed over my son, mind you he was little boy then. 

12 hours ago, madmitch said:

I'm not sure whether this means that breathalysers are not going to be used at all, and it would be typical if they did stop them. A positive test followed by a cop shop/hospital visit should be the norm, negative tests let go.

 

New scenario would be to stop anyone, tell thm they are suspected of drinking and would therefore be spending several hours at the local hospital......however this procedure could be overlooked for a small donation!

 

Let's see.

Times are tough, no falangs to stop, no trips to the jewellery stores, no underage set up, no money to collect from bars, just stop the locals and don't test them just fine them for other things, no need to waste paper on tickets, keep it simple. 

Good idea. 

16 hours ago, Raymonddiaz said:

Non B is for people who intend to work in Thailand. What’s really going on???? More confusions.....

I think this is wrong, maybe written overnight. My friend who is stuck in NZ has just received an exemption from the Thai embassy to return. 

They have sent him visa application papers. He has owned a property for 15 years. I have not seen the paper work yet, he is in his early 80s.

He will pay the fares and quarantine, I don't know what he's doing about insurance, he has the bank part under control. 

I see NZ not on the UK list, must be o on the Thai embassy NZ list. 

I think this first issue of rules will be tailored eventually as it won't get Airlines up and running,, nor will the insurance greedies experience a gold rush, but it is a start and my guess is that it will be tailored. 

I will keep you informed regarding visa requirements and insurance when I know more 

Cheers 

20 hours ago, 4evermaat said:

The issue never should have gone this far in the first place.....from either side.    Glad to see the matter can be settled amicably though

 

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Its a pity the B2 couldn't have got a agreement like this and be released immediately