Scarpolo

If you aer all that concerned about the money, or the strength of your relationship, I would just count the number of times you slept with her for free, multiply that amount by 500 baht. You can pay that amount in both gold and cash. That way, you won't be losing anything if she decides to leave you because you will only have paid for what you have already taken.

what kind of female, can you get for 500 Baht in this town?

I am grossly over paying, if this is for an actual female, which means, was born, female

What kind of wife is it if you have to pay her? to stay with you?

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Not sure this applies to me,

I am renting a high end, wife surrogate,

not, same same as what people here are discussing

This greediness is farang's fault, they have taken this sinsod supposed traditional too serious at the begining they were so happy to see the smiles of the in-laws and now this is falling on others head. Never start something that you cannot stop.

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I must be one of the "luckier" ones

Her mother, did not smile at me, and,

didn't even say goodbye as she exited the car from the dinner I paid for, but didn't eat because it was horrible

I am also, older than the mother, but not the father,

They know not to expect anything from me, and the rest of the family doesn't even know we are "involved"

Sounds almost too perfect for what everyone else reports here

I guess I have it better than I realized,

Thai Visa saves the day, again!

I always wonder why people cannot see the large grey part in between black and white. Sinsod yes or no. Is there nothing in between? Of course there is. Why not let your grey cells work and come up with a plan that nullifies any greedy desires from a Thai family?

Here a few things to think over:

1. In most countries it is against the law to buy a woman (Law for the protection of women). Tell the family that you respect Thai traditions but you cannot do unlawful things, as you are farang.

2. Show them that you know what sinsod used to be: a financial cushion for the bride, in case her hubby dies or runs away, kind of savings for bad times.

3. In case the groom would live on the family's premises it is usual that he contributes to the living needs of the family, originally by buying a buffalo (can now be translated into a tractor, car or whatever).

4. The blabla about he shows that he can take care of her can be easily wiped away: if he pays the family he has less money to take care of the bride.

5. The big deal that leaves greedy mouths silent: You promise to take care of the woman, you will even get her money for herself, but you do that in monthly/quarterly/annual payments. It means if you pay 10K per month on a fixed account she will have 120K each year she stays with you, in 8 years nearly a million. For the man it is a ncie protection against quick-divorce and lost money, as soon as she leaves, the payments stop.

6. Talk to educated women, friends of your gf, and tell them repeatedly that you will NOT buy a woman, you are too much a gentleman to do so, you want to make your gf happy with a good life, shared together. Joke that you want her to share your life, not your wallet....

It works, we know that Thai families are greedy, surely Isan families, but going back to the original meaning of sinsod, offering to take very good care of their daughter and eventually coming in their direction with a display of money and gold, that will ALL be returned after the wedding.

I live in Isan since 7+ years, was married (no sinsod) but divorced, and I decided (until further notice) to stay single and just have a couple of nice female friends who sometimes stay for breakfast but not for lunch, if you know what I mean. Quite some local women admire my standpoint re sinsod and not buying a woman, they have been suppressed all their lives in favour of their lazy empty-headed brothers, who are considered a personal gift of Buddha.

The main message is: talk to them, understand them but let them also understand you. Their daughter wants to marry a farang, that means that all have also to listen what farang can do and what not, farang also has a tradition, culture, maybe religion, and there is no need to throw that overboard for a greedy Thai family.

Spend your money, but don't throw it away!

My girlfriends family doesnt speak a word of english, not one word.

The discussion was passed from the daughter already, that Americans do not pay families, for anything, but she can do whatever she pleases with the money I give her.. that, is totally, "up to you"

that has kept peace and love aflowing

I am from Texas. I told them all, right at the beginning, that Texas men expect the prospective bride to pay me a dowry. Texas custom requires me to be in charge of the family and the money. Texas customs require that the woman take the man's surname and become part of his family and leave her natal family. it works for me.

The "I am from Texas" may work for the pathetic in developing countries, but it doesn't wash with the rest of the world. In fact it is sickening.

Not to argue with anyone from Texas,

but most "Texans" are also "believers"

and, believers believe in "the word"

the word states that the man shall leave the mother and father, and cleave unto his wife

if you need more evidence, read about Jacob,

he was conned into working for the girls father for 7 years, then he bait and switched, and made him work another 7 years for the girl he wanted.

now show me a Thai who can beat that,

and I will marry his daughters, all of them

I don't think you should pay it for all of the reasons you enumerated. Plus, as you already are supporting their family you can explain to your girlfriend and her family that, that is their dowry. If they don't like it, stop supporting them for a couple of months and the money you saved can be presented as a dowry.

I have read so many times how people admonish people in your situation saying that since you're marrying outside of your culture you have to accept everything and anything in Thai culture. I think that is a load of bull -- your girlfriend is marrying outside of her culture too (i.e. yours). Your cultural beliefs are just as valid/important as hers.

I don't know why people seem to think that Western beliefs and traditions take a backseat to Asian beliefs but they DON'T. You have been down this road before. You have seen the ugly side of the dowry system. If your girlfriend truly loves you and her family aren't merely trying to bleed you dry they will understand your situation. If not then you have your answer.

Walk into any mall here, all they are doing is promoting western fast food, western values, western clothes, and all they play is american music, and I think you get the picture of where bangkok is headed, consumers strapped in high credit card, at the top of the list

Thai Cowchah

Khun kowchai pasa Thai, mai kap?

As for "skin in the game," he who has the gold, makes the rules. That would be the man - not the girl or her family. Women claim "I have the pussy, so I make the rules!" I say - only if the man is a pussy and allows her. Remember men, YOU are the prize, not her. This includes your daughter, bro....

By "Thai Cowchah" I meant "Thai Culture" as pronounced by some of the scions and mavens of this board.

And however we end up handling the sinsot thing I would just impress upon any one of these "hit-and-run" sex grifter predators that there is NO law here that would keep me from exacting satisfaction should he "default."

In this jurisdiction the sinsot is just a measure of comfort for all concerned.

And yes, I claim the right to apply a double standard because this is a bi-cultural arrangement.

I'll get the wedding but I want to see joint ownership commitment on a significant appreciating asset that he's bankrolled.

Land, house, gold, a condo . . . . . assets.

The wife's family pride.

My exceptional daughter's personal happiness.

And, of course, the young man's personal safety, as well.

(In the end, it's a kind of 'insurance' for him)

It's all about measures of comfort.

Take that any way you want bro.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

Am pretty sure "protection money" will be well understood by the future gooms, family....

I would imagine, you would have a "quiet chat" somewhere, as well?

like by a (east) river?

Points of view...

1. Long term expats who never married here

" What kind of idiot would buy his wife from greedy upcountry relatives

who should get jobs instead of selling their family members..."

2. Expats who paid sin sot and are living the Isan dream in an upcountry village

" I paid sin sot for my lovely wife and am the happiest man in the world. This

is a Thai custom, and if you want to be properly integrated into Thai culture

you must pay this. Anybody who would not consider paying is simply a

cheapskate......."

Hey wait a minute. I have a lovely half Thai three year old daughter. Does this mean I can sell her when she is marriageable age ? Hmmmm....

Yes of course you could assuming you are another thaivisa intellectual.

Heck, theres probably an expat that would give me a big sinsod for my uni grad doctoral virgin ass also.

Hahaha yeah selling your daughter seems a bit harsh. My plan is to send her to university in America, and end up with a good job. So hopefully she may buy a dinner or two for her Dad when he is doddering about.....

555.

assuming I had a daughter growing up in thailand the only thing that would make me ask a sinsod would be if the proposed husband was a creep low life in which case I'd set the sinsod so high he'd never pay. Sort of like setting a high "bail" to protect society.

Perhaps why it was created initially?

If you aer all that concerned about the money, or the strength of your relationship, I would just count the number of times you slept with her for free, multiply that amount by 500 baht. You can pay that amount in both gold and cash. That way, you won't be losing anything if she decides to leave you because you will only have paid for what you have already taken.

what kind of female, can you get for 500 Baht in this town?

I am grossly over paying, if this is for an actual female, which means, was born, female

Points of view...

1. Long term expats who never married here

" What kind of idiot would buy his wife from greedy upcountry relatives

who should get jobs instead of selling their family members..."

2. Expats who paid sin sot and are living the Isan dream in an upcountry village

" I paid sin sot for my lovely wife and am the happiest man in the world. This

is a Thai custom, and if you want to be properly integrated into Thai culture

you must pay this. Anybody who would not consider paying is simply a

cheapskate......."

Hey wait a minute. I have a lovely half Thai three year old daughter. Does this mean I can sell her when she is marriageable age ? Hmmmm....

Yes of course you could assuming you are another thaivisa intellectual.

Heck, theres probably an expat that would give me a big sinsod for my uni grad doctoral virgin ass also.

Hahaha yeah selling your daughter seems a bit harsh. My plan is to send her to university in America, and end up with a good job. So hopefully she may buy a dinner or two for her Dad when he is doddering about.....

University in America to hope for a good job?

Sounds like you havent awoken to the dead American dream yet....

There are no jobs for college educated now, unless they are willing to serve drinks...

The average tuition for 4 years now, $50,000 to $200,000

The largest scam in America now is "University"

unless she wants to be a scientist, physicist, of w/e, and starve

Short time's the answer...for that perfect happy ending where there is no loss of money...or face.....and the family will have to pay for their own pick-up.

Everything is short time here on planet earth,

Once the age of 50 us reached,

marriage is for chumps,

even in the states

If your pride and your views are more important than your G/F, then the obvious answer to all this is don't get married. Even if you end up not paying the Sin Sod. You are not ready for that yet. So no point in confusing the issue about paying Sin Sod when it has nothing to do with your feelings about marriage, and her.

You mention you have been together for 15 months, but are you talking about day to day life for 15 months, or a few trips a year to visit her over a 15 month period. There is a bid difference between the two. I to went down the same road as you with 2 failed marriages under my belt. It took me years with my present wife to trust marriage again and so far all is well. Marriage is also still a very big deal in Thailand, whereas Common Law Marriage and just living together is getting to be more popular in the West.

If you only stumbling block is what you say, which is the Sin Sod, then keep in mind this statement. There is "Pride" but there is also "False Pride" and "Foolish Pride". In Thailand, I find it is best sometimes to keep My Pride in My Pocket and where it belongs. You mentioned that in the West the Father of the Bride pays the whole shot, but you know as well as I do that this does not happen very often. Usually it is split between the parents 50/50.

But this is not the West anyway and you are not wanting to marry a Western Woman. You chose a Thai Girl who has her own culture and Sid Sod is part of her culture. Sin Sod is also not the same as a Dowry. In most places a Dowry is paid for the Bride which she gets to keep all through the marriage, and if things go South, after the divorce. Sin Sod traditionally goes to the parents of the Bride.

By tradition, what you are supposed to be paying for is lost income to the parents, although this is not always the case. Daughters are expected to help out with the family income all through their lives. But the parents will lose some of that, or all of that, if she marries and now her income and labour goes to him and his family. If she is not educated and works on the family farm, by tradition she will move into her husbands family and now work with her husbands, or his family's farm instead. Thai Woman traditionally move in with her husbands family and not them moving in with hers.

If she is well educated, then what you are paying for in a Sin Sod is the lost income to the parents and a better income you will get for her. So in a way you are compensating them for the money they spent on her and lost labour they have, by sending her to get her higher education. In a way, I guess it is like a Bar Fine. You are paying it to take this girl out of the bar where the owner may see this as lost income. Perhaps having to pay another girl take her place. I know it doesn't always work this way anymore, but this is what is behind it all.

This may seem strange as for us I guess it is. Also Thail Men pay Sin Sod, so we are not alone here. Also, and in my fathers time in Canada, it was very common to have many kids in the family to help out on the family farm. There was 15 kids in my dad's family. So kids back then were also considered a workable asset in Canada, and as they are in Thailand. They also cared for their elderly back then, which of course they don't do anymore. Just place them in some Old Foke's Home instead.

As I said, I really don't think you are ready for marriage and the sooner you explain that to your G/F, and why, she will hopefully understand. Just tell her you need more time. If she can't wait then she is not the one for you and move on. I know how you feel as it took me years to get over this with Umpteen Money lost as well. I am not sure even now where I will end up. But the way I got it figured out now is that since I still keep control of the money, this is far better then living alone. Or a life of One Night Stands with Bar Girls.

Good Luck!.

Perhaps the most "reasoned? reply ever on this topic:

I like the way it ends, though,

keeping control of the money.

I survived two divorces that way

Where there was true love, I've seen parents put in place, meaning by their daughter.

Ultimately, this is a matter not of the parents' position, but the daughter's.

If she is simply a spokesperson for her parents or wider family, that is what she will, forever, be. Do you want that?

I would have that it's critical to ask how you managed to parent the pickup, unmarried and at an early juncture. Pushy them? Overly accommodating you? More important, what role did the lady play then?

Maybe time to put your foot down - either with her, them or yourself, or any combination thereof!

My "girllfriend" has already gotten her mother past the sin sot, but, I can tell everyone here,

the likelihood of that being forgotten by her friends and family, is nil.

they all still participate, including the thai's, I have seen the pictures of her friends weddings,

(who knows what the real arrangement is)

but one girlfriend, just had a new boyfriend, thai and thai, buy her a new house, within weeks of dating, right after dumping her thai boyfriend,

so, this is not a farange issue, but the age old, survival of the fittest for the woman issue,

the dumped boyfriend, worked sporatically, and was "rumored" to be screwing around,

sounds like every bad farange story, but no farange

i was wondering do Thai males give dowrys and if so i bet they dont give tousands on Bahts, why oh why do farangs fall for this, the best option is if ya want to live in Thailand dont get invloved with a lady who will fleece you (yeah they all do i know) but to live on your own and spend your money on a "bar-girl" once a week believe me you will have much variation and thousands of Bahts beter off lol !!

Even more incredible.....as somebody had mentioned......

If this is a rock solid custom (and it is not..just used to be) then imagine this....

Would a Thai Male pay sin sot to a farang lady if they married here? Sounds too weird...but I sure doubt it.

That definitely clears up the whole mess. They marry for a better lifestyle....that makes a marriage with a farang different alone. No need worry about face...the only face lost is that you were smarter that they.

totally agree. When I first started dating my current gf the topic came up as I told her a story about a recent wedding for a friend and how much sin sot was paid. She said back then that her sinsot would be high but returned at the wedding bc her parents are 'modern' etc. Now months on, the topic has come up and she says that it will have to be paid with no refund. I told her that Im not willing to pay it should we be married. No way....Im not paying a lot of money to strangers (ie her parents)... I did say that we could help look after them when they get really old as long as this responsibility is shared with the 2 brothers. Im not going to give in on this decision

Interesting,

you are being shown a "bait and switch" in advance, and not understanding that she feels she doesnt even have to wait until you are "all in"

unless, you have thown in the towel and she feels she has already achieved complete control, and you are already expendable.

take her, at her word,

which, is not reliable to do anything less than she is already doing,

she is a moving target

Get burn once...a mistake.

Get burn again...stupidity.

for the first bride family you bought a motorbike....

for the second a car...

will you go for a house next time if this wont work out?

I did not buy the motorbike the family bought that when I was off the scene. As for the car payments, I do pay my girlfriend a combined salary for cooking, cleaning and for nightly comforts (daytime as well) as I do not want her to go out to work in case I need her during the day. She told me her parents were struggling financially and I agreed that she could give them money every month out of her salary for payments on the pickup and yes these payments should compensate for the lack of dowry. What annoys me most is that her father is a lazy b-----d and lays in his hammock all day while the mother does all the work around the house and looks after the small eatery next to the house. I am a good bit older than my girlfriend and most of the time we get on well. But if she threatens to leave again maybe I should just let her go. Oh yes I was going to build her a house and at some point she said what would I do if she drastically reduced my sex allowance and my reply was the house build is cancelled and she knows if there is no honey then there would be no money.

I have lost money with girls in Thailand but nothing a could not handle.

It seems you have some extreme self-confidence issues.

You are employing a maid/prostitute, that's the be all and end all of the situation - you have not once mentioned 'love', and make clear that you consider this to be a case of exchanging money for 'services'. She is not your 'girlfriend', she is your employee and it's all a bit depressing to be frank, from the perspective of both parties.

But to the crux of your question, why on earth would you consider marriage if what you really want is someone to service your needs in exchange for money? If that's what you think you require for happiness, at the expense of a soulmate, how is getting married an improvement on not getting married in any way?

Sounds a bit like voluntarily walking into prison and saying, take me, I don't belong on my own outside

Thanks for putting water to my mill ! I was saying since the begining that the falangs want to show off that they CAN !!! They are the biggest culprit of having created this plus for appetite for money from the thai girls at a point i can tell you that it was like a competition among falangs of getting the most beautiful girls, some tends to show that he is more thai than others; they forget that living in thailand, speaking thai, eating thai food etc... Will never make them a thai...So where is the pride? Even if you are on a marriage visa: tomorrow you get divorce- ! You will have to leave thailand

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Gosh they are so welcoming here,

Even the marriage visa is temporary,

great,

and, I hear the Ministry of Finance and Chamber of Commerce on the radio now doing a campaign to tell foreigners what a great place Thailand is for investment

Now dating a gorgeous 32 year old Thai girl, no kids (requirement for me) who grew up in the States. Sooooo much easier in every way. She has a new CRV, condo downtown, family owns 6 Family Marts in Bangkok. Completely obsessed with sex everyday….I couldn't be happier. It was just a matter of continuing to look and getting a lucky break.

liar

Actually, no, I'm not lying. Feel free to PM me and I would be happy to introduce you, provided you buy the beers. (Of course, should he then realize I'm not lying, he will not retract his comment, but whatever…)

And why would I lie? I have no reason for doing so...

Everything you say about this 32-year old may be true....except for the "gorgeous" part. Simply not believable. Yes, there's the "eye of the beholder" nonsense, but I've been in Thailand a lot of years. I rarely ever see a farang with a truly "gorgeous" Thai girl, rentals excepted of course. And pretty much every TV member says they're with a gorgeous Thai girl. A massive disconnect between TV land and the real world. So the "liar" comment may not be far off.

Mine IS gorgeous,

She is 32,

and,

I am renting....

so,

there it is,

the NON exception = honesty

My Thai brother in law has been married twice in the last 3 years, first sinsod 80k baht, not returned, second sinsod a month ago 100k baht not returned

In most Thai cases I think the sinsod just about covers the wedding, so if you are going for grandiose then expect to pay more for the show, and the Bride

In my opinion not contributing to the proceedings at all is an insult, and to offer a pittance after further negotiation, only compounds the insult

In essense the person is paying for their own wedding.

not as unusual in the states as it may seem to others here,

not every girls father pays

If you want an Island, don't particularly want to swim (most Thai girls don't want to) ... try this.

My Thai gf and I visited here ... koh-sichang-boring-or-brilliant

South of Bangkok ... north of Pattaya.

Not many Westerners .. we didn't see any for the couple of days we were there.

I have a thai g/f, and just want the beach, and her. I have no interest in anyone from the west or being in the tourist areas...

She speaks the language, I like the food, its all good in LOS

There is a serious disconnect between what I wrote and what you responded with ...

Without exception, the Thai girls I know don't prefer the beach, to lay on the sand and let the suns rays kiss their native skin and make them go from a Chinese white skin to the hardened tanned leather of a rice paddy girl ... no thanks.

Most of them don't swim and simply wade in up to their knees.

When you are thinking the Maldives and what it means to you with that beautiful sun, swaying coconut palms and crystal clear water ... the Thai girl most likely doesn't give a toss.

We (I'm the only Westerner) 2 couples, 3 single Thai girls and 1 single Thai man went to a beach resort ... the girls got dressed up for the beach photos. during the entire 3 days we were there, not one tow dipped in the water.

So, if you are thinking romance and her and a laying on beach towel getting a nice tan ...

She has already told me, she wont go in the sun, and she doesnt swim,

the closest I will get her to water, is in a private pool,

She has a killer body but wont let anyone see her in a bathing suit,

The ocean swim, is for me

There are many girls who do this for a living, sinsot should not be paid to a girl if she has been married before or has children so where are these guys coming from, haven't they learnt by now,, so guys listen to me again, the golden rule in this country is to meet a bar girl, she will love you only, marry her take care of her 3 children as your own, pay a few thousand US dollars as sinsot, don't forget the 2 baht gold also, pay for her father's new Fortuna, pay for the families electricity and other utilities, remember to keep some money aside to also pay for the father's diesel usage,, you are nearly there, pay whatever the children need, oh marry her meanwhile and you will live happily ever after, after all, all of us have done the same and look at how happy we are.

Ozy,

you need to add this to your advisory service,

sometimes,

a song says it all"

They cannot hide what they do not feel.

My topic is, how it is expressed by the women involved with the posters,

Unless the posters are women themselves.

I already understand what patronising is,

this is not about that

^ No but there's been no shortage of farang with broken hearts 'falling' from there.

Don't think too much, this is Thailand.

Oh that;

good advice,

she knows what I love "most" about her.....

the rest is sort of superfluos to me, as I am still a US citizen, and my time is limited here.....I think, for now....

Love has many meanings, which seems ot change with age; ours....

The 53-33 age ratio, has its limits and limitations, I would think; for her.

If I can be a great friend for her during this "love" period, and contribute to her life, wherever I meaningfully and reasonably can, I will, and she will not regret the relationship down the line...regardless of its length

You wrote, "as I am still a US citizen my time is limited here." Why would that be?

As much as I disdain much of what is going on, in the USSA, it is still where I anticipate living in the future, because as a rock musician, there is little for me to do here, all of my musical friends are there, and I want to play with them. That just isn't gonna happen here, and I am not interested in playing for drunk tourists.

There is like 327 Sin Sot topics now open on Thai Visa as I write. Why would anyone want to open another? Can't you use the search button? Why OH Why would anyone want another Sin Sot thread? Isn't there a pinned sin sot somewhere?

Here is what you do. Go to the upper right and type in Sin Sot and then you get 15 pages of sin sot topics back in a fraction of a second. Talk about high tech. It is a sin sot's lover's paradise.

I am still fairly new to TV and realized there must be many thoughts on the topic,

What I am seeking from this thread, is a specific answer to the questions of fairness, and value.

If it costs us very little,

It will cost us more not to give it,

My personal situation is easy, I am not getting married, but the topic comes up, and who knows, anything can happen,

But my still legal marriage in the States will probably be a large deterrent, for now, call it a marriage condom

Unless you are the laziest man in the world go to the right upper part of Thai Visa and type in Sin Sot and you will get 10,392 separate opinions of what it is, how much should be paid and every other aspect of sin sot from top to bottom. If you are not getting married you don't need to know anyway and anyone else who wants to know can simply search the giant pile of information that is available here on the subject.

It will not cost more not to give it. It has been given ten thousand times over and over again on Thai Visa. Do you really think anyone would allow you to speak for them here? Or anyone needs your input on anything?

Why don't you just have sex and travel

I have been doing that since the last marriage ended in May 2012.

This is part of that adventure, as, I unlike many others, do not believe that in the long run,

That the girl I am with, should be with someone this much older, who is not Thai.

We are good for eachother now; that is all that counts, but long term,

She deserves a shot at a family and a fuller life than I can give her, because of the cultural disparity, which will ultimately take its toll.

It already exacts a price on us.

There is like 327 Sin Sot topics now open on Thai Visa as I write. Why would anyone want to open another? Can't you use the search button? Why OH Why would anyone want another Sin Sot thread? Isn't there a pinned sin sot somewhere?

Here is what you do. Go to the upper right and type in Sin Sot and then you get 15 pages of sin sot topics back in a fraction of a second. Talk about high tech. It is a sin sot's lover's paradise.

I am still fairly new to TV and realized there must be many thoughts on the topic,

What I am seeking from this thread, is a specific answer to the questions of fairness, and value.

If it costs us very little,

It will cost us more not to give it,

My personal situation is easy, I am not getting married, but the topic comes up, and who knows, anything can happen,

But my still legal marriage in the States will probably be a large deterrent, for now, call it a marriage condom

I keep seeing Sin Sot comments, in every thread I visit.

What I do not see, is any discussion of what is fair.

No one mentions amounts,

No one mentions value.

I initially thought it was bribery for a young girl, certainly not a woman in her 30's

They feel differently, and I am seeing that in all the pictures of all the friends, there is Baht and Gold, without mention of what is really being transacted.

Then the obvious come to mind; HOW MUCH?

no one mentions the request or the family requirement.

What if, it is only $30,000 BAHT?

I think I paid marriage counselors and psychologists for my wife and HER psychologically abused daughter from a madman, tens of thousands, p;us legal fees for their custody battles,

so Gents, and Ladies,

Let's get real about this.

This morning I learned that my wife's mother has been giving her some very sound relationship advice.

That got me to thinking about this topic,

Let's discuss value, amounts, and what is truly fair, and, do we really want to bring shame of any kind to the family, if it in reality, is going to cost us very little?

please, no fighting, this is a topic of great unnecessary distress for many, so let's keep it light, and not scare away the women

thanks,

Steve

^ No but there's been no shortage of farang with broken hearts 'falling' from there.

Don't think too much, this is Thailand.

Oh that;

good advice,

she knows what I love "most" about her.....

the rest is sort of superfluos to me, as I am still a US citizen, and my time is limited here.....I think, for now....

Love has many meanings, which seems ot change with age; ours....

The 53-33 age ratio, has its limits and limitations, I would think; for her.

If I can be a great friend for her during this "love" period, and contribute to her life, wherever I meaningfully and reasonably can, I will, and she will not regret the relationship down the line...regardless of its length