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42 minutes ago, bomber said:sorry but trivial things like shrimps should not even get a mention,and i doubt there is any icecream imported to the UK,you can rant all you want about trivial things that nobody cares about,the majority of everyday things will cost more,the knackered pound alone will see to that,fuel alone will soar as it is already even before the pound falls further with a no deal,this is not project fear its stone wall facts,
I was just using those foodstuffs as an example because I said..."For Example"
It would apply to all tarrif'd food coming into the UK from outside the EU
And don't ever trivialise shrimps, they don't trivalise you!
Again like most of what you say, you no data to back up your "facts"
Fuel is made up of many components and the pricing is determined by politics, demand and production capacity amongst other things. A liter in 2012 was £1.41 at the pump - much more expensive than it is now.
https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time
Again like most of what you say, you no data to back up your "facts"
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12 hours ago, bristolboy said:
Actually the vote total was about 33,570,000. Next you'll be telling us that 60+ percent of Labour voters went for Brexit.
According to Wiki, valid votes came in at 17.2m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election_in_the_United_Kingdom
How did you get 33,570,000 ?
Edit : Were you referring to the EU Referundum ?
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23 hours ago, tebee said:
quite a lot of useful things like raw materials, food and petrol are imported - they will all cost more
Assuming that the UK adopts a 0% WTO rate as was the Governments plan in March then food will get cheaper.
For example, we are paying over 20% on cooked shrimp from Thailand, 7% on chicken and 21% on Ice-cream from outside the EU. In fact the savings will be bigger as we pay duty on the transport costs too. That's assuming the retailers pass on the savings to their customers.
What MAY have an impact on the savings is how strong the dollar is against the pound as a lot of food globally is traded in dollars.
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5 hours ago, stevenl said:Nothing to do with this part of the discussion.
I'd say though if it is this close, ask them to think it over and later ask them again, but make sure the question is clear.
The question was clear.
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1 hour ago, tebee said:so, you decided to run naked down the high street - 49 of your mates say this is a bad idea and you'll get arrested. But one says " na - it will be a laff, do it"
Do you ignore the advice of the 49 because it's just their opinion?
Nah but if 52 say do it and 48 say don't I'll go with the majority.
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1 hour ago, Thairealist said:And who wrote this Wilipedia entry?
Equally when the name economist is conjured up, I always think of those economic experts who predicted in the early 2000’s, that in the event of the U.K not accepting the Euro, that it would be economic disaster for the U.K. How wrong they were on that prediction.
Then came the 2008 world economic slump, which the vast majority of these so called Economic experts, failed to predict
Forward to 2016, when again these economic experts predicted immediate financial Armageddon, if we were to have faith in the ability of the U.K to succeed out of the straight jacket of our masters In Brussels.
Far better to ask Gypsy Rose at the local fair, to look in her crystal ball, as I’m sure she’ll be more accurate.
Wasn't the world supposed to end in 2000 when all the experts predicting the Y2K bug would bring our demise and lead to planes falling from the sky?
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Nothings impossible.It may be good for other things, but for the economy, impossible.
You lack imagination and positiveness.
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12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:
Terrible governance they have there. Transparency International rated it 2nd least corruptly governed nation in the world. Shocking!
That does also include local government and is only a 'perceived' index.
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6 hours ago, wilcopops said:
- Only a Brexiteer could say hat.......
Insightful to say the least.
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1 hour ago, tebee said:Of course, you do realize, that campaigning that no deal is the only true leave, and that no other version of leave is acceptable, considerably reduces the chances of us ever laving in any shape or form?
It's so damaging to the UK economy that any sensible politician would be reckless to support it and doing so would probably leave his party out of power for a generation.
So I thank you for your contribution to the remain cause
Well as it stands at the moment, the default position is that we're leaving without a deal in October.
I have no idea if it's going to be damaging or not, there's too many variables and moving parts to know whats going to happen in 6 months time, let alone in 10 years. It could be the best thing we ever do...or it may have short-term consequences but one thing I do believe is that the UK will adapt and find it's feet fairly quickly.
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Not only that are they going to kick out every Labour supporter who on this occasion didn't support them?Thing is he did not campaign against Labour in the run up to last weeks elections, He made claims on Friday, then on Sunday, and again yesterday that he had voted Lib/Dem on Thursday, not unlike a number of tories who publicly said in the days running up to the election that they would be voting Lib/dem, encouraging others to follow suit.
If true they kicked him out for voting Lib/Dem how can they prove he actually did? of course they could kick him out because he said he did, but I suspect this is more to do with his remark that Labour/Corbyn are trying to ride both horses in a two horse race.
Do not shoot the messenger, he was only trying to point out why Labour got a good thrashing on Thursday.
Got to be consistant with these decisions
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It was nearly 52-48 with over a million more people (can't remember the exact fjgure) voting to leave than remain. Surely that's democracy.But surely, since the result was nearly 50-50, the democratic solution to accommodate both sides would have been some sort of soft brexit.
Democracy is not about tyranny of the majority .
It's the remainers who have been demonic in not abiding by the result and doing everything they can to overturn a valid decision.
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3 minutes ago, stevenl said:All the people that are aiming or hoping for a soft brexit are the center. The brexiteers on here are all saying 'soft brexit doesn't get us out, brexit means hard brexit'. So they are the ones saying the center doesn't exist.
I disagree. I voted Brexit but I would not classify myself as a hard brexiteer only that I want out. I would prefer it was amicable and some sort of deal was put in place (certainly not TM's one) but if we can't come to agreement then so be it.
As I see it, the center were the tories and labour which have been deserted for other left and right wing parties.
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19 minutes ago, sanemax said:
As Sheungwan hasnt go back to me and as you agree with him, maybe you could explain who the hard brexiteers are who are pretending that the center doesnt exist ?
Who are the people that he was referring to ?
As I stated before, I've not said anything about hard brexiteers. You cannot assume that all those who voted for the Brexit party want a hard brexit. All you can assume is that they want out either with a deal or without.
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25 minutes ago, stevenl said:
You can disagree all you want, doesn't change the facts.
Well let me know when you quote some.
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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:
The Tories are split between Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit and Remain. However, the Hard Brexiteers are dishonest enough to pretend that the centre doesn't exist. Amusing to see the forum Hard Brexiteers falling into line.
We'll agree to disagree on that one.
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1 hour ago, sanemax said:
Well, if the result would have been a remain vote , would you be calling for another referendum ?
Would any Remainer be calling for another vote ?
Do you really expect Ferage or any Leaver to call for another vote , just because it was close?
In a word No.....I don't know if Farage would of tried but I think the brexiteers would of accepted the result in good grace unlike the remainers
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2 hours ago, sanemax said:
And there are going to be Brexiteers also concerned about climate change and they would prefer a Green Euro MP ,
If they felt so strongly about it they would of voted Lib Dems. The fact is that their bigger beef was getting out of Europe.
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Please read their manifesto. They were fighting on two fronts. Brexit and climate change. There vote is mixed. Also they did not score as highly as the brexit party.Nonsense. The Lib Dems loudly and strongly based their campaign on Remain. They were the place to go for disaffected Conservatives and Labourites who were pro-remain. As the results show. Is anybody even aware of what other issues they campaigned on? Did they campaign on other issues? And since there were significant percentages of Tories against leaving, and significant percentages of Labour voters for Brexit, it's impossible to currently break down where those who remained loyal to their party stood.
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Whether they have delivered or not is not the point. MPs from both labour and the conservatives overwhelmingly voted to leave back in 2016. Granted there is in fighting in both parties but May has been consistant with her leave means leave slogan. In my book that makes the tories a leave party and that has been their position Over the past three years. That may change with a new leaderSo the fact they have not delivered does not play a role?
Up until now, only fools see them as a leave party.
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Just now, Chomper Higgot said:
It has been the contention of Brexiteers on this forum and Farage too, that the Tories have done everything they can to not deliver Brexit.
You can't have it both ways.
That's a different kettle of fish. We know the overall consensus of politicians from all parties (other than Brexit party) is that they want to remain however the Tories have based their agenda on leaving.
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7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
The reality staring you in the face evades you.
Nothing like pigheadedness and denial to see you are missing the point.
Are the Tory party remain party or leave party ?
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2 hours ago, Nanglon said:
I prefer 'remain' but understand we lost due I think partly to the divisive nature of 50% + 1 (ok, ok 1.7m votes) and also understand a 'leave' poster who said any referendum should only be 2 choices leave with deal, or leave no deal respecting the vote.
So in order to overcome the parliamentary impasse, why not re-run referendum, due to the continuing division but instigate a min referendum of 60% required to effect any future change / introduction of something (money where our mouth is) and anything less than 60% remain, the original vote stands, bad luck we all accept the 'will' of the people and move on.
So everyone supposedly more informed, can confirm their wishes to break us out of the paralysis.
Because then democracy is dead. We voted and the establishment didn't like the result so they'll get us to vote again and again and again until we wear people down and get what we want.
What happens if the result is the same ? What happens if remain wins? Another referendum? After all it's 1-1.
I don't mind another referendum as long as the questions asked are leave with deal or leave without a deal.
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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:The graphic could not be more simple.
Votes to parties backing hard Brexit.
Votes to Conservative/Labour (backing we don’t know what)
Votes to parties backing Remain.
It makes no claim either way for the Conservative/Labour vote. If you feel Brexiteers can claim those votes, you’ll need to demonstrate why.
Other than the fact the Tories have spent the past three years trying to get to deliver Brexit..If that's not a pro-Brexit party then I don't know what is.
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UK ever more polarised as Brexit Party storms to EU vote win
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I try and back up my comments with a little data, unlike yourself who just shoots from the hip.
A barrel costing $130 will affect the price at the pump much more than a supposed drop of 5-10% in currency value.
And what the hell has Turkey got to do with Brexit....You're stark raving...
Worthless currency ? The pound is one of the strongest currencies in the world, ranked at #5 out of 185.
https://www.bookmyforex.com/blog/worlds-top-20-currencies-2018/