richard_smith237

Did you also know, the guy who in little Pattaya beer bar who told you this really was special forces before he retired...

Its not just the Op who is interested in the answers to this question. Those in ‘other situations’ may also wonder what is acceptable. For example; it ‘may’ be acceptable to carry your home country Driving Licence (as long as it has Photo ID)... perhaps others have experience... hence, the discussion of what else may or may not be acceptable, why we should carry ID in the first place... Is it an Immigration requirement? or a Thai Law Requirement? exactly what are the requirements? is it a requirement to carry passport or just ID ? etc etc... OR... perhaps you believe this should have been a two post thread... the question and your answer, anything else anyone else mentions is not what you want to read.

The leading article quoted in the Op is missing key information - thats not denial, its fact. If the article quoted that they all had a cold or flu would readers be jumping to the same conclusion that a cold or flu killed these people ? I would like to see these articles presented in a far less clumsy manner and read something along the lines of... "xxxx died at age xx, doctors reported that autopsy results showed the deceased suffered pneumonia and respiratory complications brought consistent with through brought on by Covid-19... " Or... "xxxx died at age xx, although the deceased tested positive for Covid-19 doctors as yet have not confirmed the cause of death..." Thus, the denial could be yours.. its seems you ‘want' covid to have been the cause, because thats the conclusion you have jumped to. Meanwhile, I simply want accurate reporting that isn’t misleading. Wanting factual and accurate information is not a conspiracy, its not denial, its not an agenda... Is simply wanting the truth. Recognising that key information is missing such than an accurate conclusion cannot be drawn is not a conspiracy, its not denial, is not an agenda... Again... its simply wanting the truth. The article is not telling the whole truth - perhaps because the author of the article doesn't know the full story... In its current state the article is incomplete and misleading... The only conspiracy I could be accused of is wondering if the ‘incomplete reporting is deliberate’.... that accusation levied towards me would be a fair one, one I accept.

I guess thats possible, but they have mentioned the cause of death to be ‘complications due to covid’... ??? - the article has simply mentioned that the deceased had tested positive for covid and leaves the reader to place their own dots and then join them... If they could pin the deaths down to covid, surely they’d have mentioned more... rather than... they were found dead and tested positive for covid. Agreed... but that not the case here. I’m not suggesting Covid was definitely not the cause of death, I’m stating that testing positive for covid does not mean covid caused their death. The only way to know for sure that Covid was the cause of death is for doctors to perform test / autopsy and check for covid related mobility and not other unrelated causes.

Agreed... Cause of death was not know. They had Covid-19... thats a possible cause of complications leading to death - but there is no way of knowing that at all. Actually, they do... people have heard attacks or other complications... No its not, not at all... Covid is not the most probable cause of death, it's not by a long way. Over 600,000 people die every year in Thailand... most of them are not dying of covid (young or old). How many have died of Covid-19 ??? - the most probable cause of death of this man and other three others the article mentions is ‘some other cause’ not known. I’m not dismissing Covid-19 as a cause of complications which led to death. What I am saying is there is not enough factual information in the story to ‘jump to the conclusion’ that Covid is the cause of death (or cause of complications leading to death) - the article simply opens that [Covid] door and present the ‘assumption’ on a plate to its readers, some have bought straight into it. The conclusion you have jumped to is not based on any balance of probability it's a knee jerk assumption. There is simply not enough information to know what the cause of death was.

The manner in which this publication reports is somewhat like a ‘conspiracy site’... It states fact, but leaves the report open to assumption and conclusions where it could provide better facts which close out questions. The article reports on Four deceased people... a 53 and 73 year old couple, a 41 year old man, and an 80 year old man, all found dead - the article only mentioned Covid-19... nothing else... its very strange.

No, you don’t know that at all.... It's possible he died of complications from Covid. It's also possible covid had nothing to do with his death and the fact that he tested positive is coincidental. I think, like you, some people read this news and jump to the Covid conclusions immediately without thinking critically. Equally so, IF the article quoted that he’d been vaccinated 2 weeks ago, people would be stating that the vaccine killed him. The article has already ‘pre-loaded’ bias in some... the cause of death was never stated.

Occam's razor. He had covid. That’s not Occam’s razor - becuase having covid does not necessarily mean Covid is the most obvious cause of death. If the article had quoted... Security guard with Cold dies while at Factory Booth... would it be ‘obvious’ (Occam’s razor) that he died of a cold ??... or more likely something else ? The reporting that he was covid infected is somewhat ‘click-baitey’ and very clumsy, especially at a time when the mere mention of ‘covid’ can bring about so much irrational and emotional debate.... He died of something else and just happened to have Covid ? He died of complications directly as a result of suffering from Covid ? .... Which is it ?... both are very different... But - we most clearly have people who believe that because covid was mentioned in a report that he ‘died of Covid’.... Now.. Covid doesn't kill people, complications as a result of covid does (i.e Pneumonia etc)...

This one - the TM30 App usually works.. The Web address is very hit-n-miss, mostly miss. I’m not sure if the Thai ‘owner’ of a property can register two separate address - but worth a try. Usually the owner will register and account and later receive a Password for their log-in on that account. So, perhaps try two separate accounts (1 for the Hotel, another for the Ao Nang address).

Noooo.... don’t mention the Yellow Book... PJ71 will accuse you of being in some sort of parade !!! I learned a mistake about 20 years ago... Passed through immigration, passport straight into back pocket... collected baggage, straight home... I guess I showered, changed clothes and went straight out and caught up with friends.... A couple of days later the maid knocked on my door, very sheepish look and very apologetic.. handed my ‘damaged’ passport over... It had gone through the wash (not her fault at all). Luckily, my Photo ID was still recognisable and the Embassy was ok to process a new one (days before VFS). Since then, the passport has always gone straight into my passport wallet - then gets transferred to my Safe when I get home. Agreed... these area’s of high ‘foreigner’ footfall are areas where there are those in positions of (relative) power to attempt to take advantage of unsuspecting foreigners and attempt to extort them of ‘fines’ for not having their passport of a copy of etc... *(used to be relatively frequent reports from the Asoke area - Thonglor BiB being corrupt as sin). I assume all of this is when travelling.... makes sense, I don’t trust hotel safes either. What about when you are at home and pop out etc ? - do you still carry your passport or leave it locked away ? As far as leaving my passport at a ‘front desk’ - never, not even for 5 mins. If they need it [Passport] they can photocopy and return to me immediately. With shift changes etc I never trust a hotel to look after a document... I hate handing over my passport when working in other countries etc and I have to hand over my Passport for residency processing etc.

Most provinces don’t have red plates for motorcycles Some do, some don’t.. its all somewhat irrelevant - we know what they are.

Exactly this.... It looks very much as though someone is planing to steel the motorcycle.... Hide the motorcycle out of the way at a friends house etc. Ensure you also have full insurance - including theft insurance. When the Op mentions he’s 99% sure who took it... it much be someone with access to his house... His GF or Maid etc ? - Report the theft and your suspicions to the BiB.

I keep mine in plastic/waterproof pouch. Recent 10 yr renewal, and the old one looked brand new. Thought that would be common sense. I guess if you’re carrying around your passport with you at all times etc... it makes sense to carry it around in a waterproof pouch - just incase you get caught out in torrential rain etc... But.. even after all the comments on this thread, I do still wonder why someone carries their passport around with them at all times - I really don’t think its necessary when a copy is perfectly sufficient.

Ah, you're from the yellow house book and pink ID card parade......say no more. You have something against those who hold a yellow book ???.... your response is very strange. Perhaps you had to try and save face after your inaccurate comment was corrected ??? very juvenile.... ’say no more’ indeed !!!... ????

Some info on that in this thread...

Not on the DL’s issued to foreigners who used the Yellow House Book & Pink ID as proof of address.

Not for me... but mileage clearly varies... Theoretically, a hotel outside of my province should not accept the Pink ID anyway... Whenever travelling the passport is locked away in the bag as back-up anyway. The DL and / or Pink ID / And or Laminated Copy is enough to carry around when out and about... theres no need to risk carry a passport - I think thats the crux of it. But... the individual laws and understanding of the regulations and how they are interpreted and misinterpreted over time are interesting... as are the assumptions announcements and back-tracking that have gone on.

Oh well... you should have said so at the beginning of the thread... Yorkie have never lost his passport in 50 years of travel... clearly its something that doesn’t happen, so there’s no risk......

Yep - it exists I recall reading it... Not sure if its in the Identity Card Act 1983.... or documented elsewhere.

I thought this forum only allowed English. Well... on a technicality, it is present in both the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries... .... but just in case that doesn't suffice... ... ‘epicaricacy’....

There is only a law which states all people in Thailand (Thai or Foreign) must carry government issued Photo ID. There is no law which states that foreigners must carry their passport - there is no link to a law which does not exist - there is only plenty of other articles, web pages and even embassy advice which make the assumption based on the above law that all people must have photo ID and the logical connection that the only government issued photo ID that every foreigner in Thailand has is their passport - hence the simplification, we must carry our passport which airs on the side of caution. Thus: the only law we (foreigners) need to comply with is carrying a government issued ID. The grey area is whether the Thai DL is considered government issued ID. Or if a Foreign driving licence is considered government issued ID. Thats the technical side of it anyway... There is no requirement to be able to prove our ‘immigration status’ unless asked by an Immigration officer - but, if asked, i.e. Police and Immigration raiding a night club etc and we can’t satisfy immigration of our status, we’d need to be able to provide our immigration status within a reasonable time frame or we could be arrested... In most cases, photocopies are sufficient to prove status.

https://www.thaizer.com/carrying-your-passport-in-thailand/#:~:text=“By law%2C you must carry,the back of your passport.” The waters have been muddied by various contradictory announcements made by police chiefs in certain areas... (i.e. Phuket, Pattaya and Hua Hin) which is contradicted by either an announcement in another province or by an newer Chief Of Police... The law is also somewhat vague... it states ‘Aliens must carry government issued photo identification or be able to provide such within a reasonable time-frame’... It doesn't say ‘Passport’ but many assume this to mean ‘Passport’... even official bodies make this assumption. N

Yup, agreed... Hotels don’t seem to care if its an ID (Pink - not sure about DL etc) or a Passport these days... perhaps that will change with another ‘crack-down’.... Over the past year at least I’ve got the impression anything with your name on it is good enough !

Well of course because you would need it to check into hotels and to check-in for flights.....if flying. No, I use the pink ID. The Passport comes with me, just in case...