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But you do believe just about everything that trump says!! Question for you: do you believe that the 2020 election was "stolen" from trump?

Lefties on here have no idea how much easier it is to find links to support even their most wingnut stuff Never in my life have I been called a "lefty", yet on here and on a similar thread it's the label I have been given! What the Maga nuts find hard to believe is that I don't have a particular political persuasion, but I will not support a dumb, liar and cheat like trump – – it really is that simple, but hard for those who follow trump, to understand, after all he is their messiah and cult leader, so everything he says, must be true – – yeah right.

There are many things that can be found on the Internet, and facts are one of them, however if you like to think that "Lizard people secretly run the world and we have proof" then you are obviously the sort of person who Trump likes to have as his supporter (look that up if you wish), AND one generally hopes that intelligent folk can see the difference between facts, backed up by facts and nonsense backed up by nonsense publications. Oh, and "common sense" should be able to sort out the wheat from the chaff, in the main, however I understand that this can be difficult for trumpies.

Many times when I have been waiting in line at a checkout, with only one or two items, a Thai person has offered me to go in front of them to check out, esp when they have a load of items. Very civil I have to say.

I like the Waitrose Gold blend teabags, nice and strong for a morning starter.

I agree with that statement.......but would also like to see him held accountable for his misdemeanours and crimes. And he's lucky cos orange suits him!!

How about........"the government now charges, Trump “perpetrated three conspiracies”: one to defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified; another “to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified”; and yet another “against the right to vote and to have one’s vote counted.” Then there is the unlawful taking of classified documents, some of which were found in Mar-a-Largo, plus other fraud/tax charges. So the orange clown is in for a busy time!!!!

If not, then everything else goes downhill In this particular instance maybe.........but plenty of other cases lined up for the orange clown to deal with!

Very amusing, it is to laugh, whist you accuse me of "repeating all of the anti trump msm outlets word for word", even if they are true, you repeat and believe in the trump/Maga nonsense. Read Truth Social much???

Sad man........you are too far down the rabbit hole to understand what the orange clown has done. No more kool aid for you!! Take a look at the Walker88 post a little prior to this if you want some truth........ Those of us who think trump is a self-serving, evil, ignorant, treasonous clown are told we have something called TDS, but the real TDS seems to me to be an affliction of people who pretzel bend to rationalize his criminality. So, without further adieu... 1) Why did trump call his goobers to come to DC on 6 January, Tweeting "It'll be WILD!"? The certification of the election is pro forma; the States already did the accounting. What is "the right thing" that trump expected VP Pence to do, since the actual "right thing", according to the law and Constitution, is merely to rubber stamp what the 50 States already certified? 2) Why did trump tell his gathered goobers to march to the Capitol? What did he mean by "You have to fight like hell if you want your country back"? What sort of fighting was required when inside the Capitol it was merely that pro forma certification of the election? 3) Why did trump demand GA SecState Raffensperger "just find me...11,780 votes", when Raffensperger told trump there was no evidence of fraud nor unaccounted for votes? The answer here is rather obvious, but I would be interested in hearing the excuse. 4) Why did trump sign on to the fake elector scheme, when actual electors had already been selected by the legitimate voting process? When trump's appointed tech czar told trump "This was the most secure and fair election in US history", why did trump fire him? 5) Why did trump steal highly classified documents (with TS, SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD classifications) and bring the docs to his country club? What does a wedding planner need with that material? (Note: As a former member of the clandestine services, I carried a TS/SCI clearance and had classification authority. I know the system quite well as well as the declassification process. Neither trump nor any POTUS can "declassify with his mind"; there is a paper trail signed off by relevant agency chiefs and then finally signed off by the White House Counsel. That was not done. Oh...and even POTUSs do not have a security clearance; their election allows them the privilege of seeing classified material while POTUS. Once their term is done, they have zero clearance, and mere possession of classified documents is a crime, especially if it is willful. Biden and Pence's possession of much lower classified material was not willful, and both men cooperated fully with the FBI to gather and remove everything. trump, OTOH, lied and obstructed. As for the docs, HCS is Human Clandestine Sources and rarely, if ever does any POTUS see that, as it reveals identities of clandestine assets. trump's theft of HCS docs puts both individual assets and their families, as well as national security, at risk. It also discourages potential future assets from cooperating, as they see a reckless and cavalier POTUS could cause their identities to be revealed. Finally, documents classified RD, or Restricted Data, can ONLY be declassified by the Dept of Energy, as such material relates to nuclear matters and secrets. The only possible explanation for trump to steal and keep such documents is he planned to monetize them. Certainly putin and Xi would pay well to learn the identities of any penetrations of their government or military. Bonus question: If some 140+ Republican members of the House decided not to sign off on the certification of Biden's landslide victory, why were they all so quick to accept their own victories in the same election on the same ballots? So...what are the excuses?

Sadly, you are wasting your time quoting facts the trumpies as they have been brainwashed by the conman in chief. Who would think that "normal" people could be so gullible.....but there they are, and posting here!! God help America!

LOL....gotcha!!!!

Who is she?????

For an icecream salesman he's relly making the US economy go "gangbusters"..........an oldie but a goodie.

For your perusal, and other similar sites to this place BBC neutral or very slightly left of centre. Please note at the bottom of this chart......."Allsides media bias ratings are based on multi-partisan scientific analysis".

Nor is he smart!

A while back now, I do remember making it from scratch using a recipe online, and it turned out fine, using pork and the usual ingredients, including some chili because I like chili infused food. So a couple of weeks ago I was meandering around Big C and decided to buy one of the packets of pad kraphao mix and all the ingredients and have it for dinner that evening. As I said I like spicy food but the spice level in this packet of ingredients, although I only used half of it, was overpowering (chili -wise) so I decided against buying any more like that and if I want it I'll make it from scratch.

Don't have to watch news channels to know that he is a compulsive liar, that is a fact and has been evident for most of his life unfortunately. And I don't really care about other politicians, because they are not in the running to be the president of the USA, which may come about if this clown gains traction..... and my post was about trump, not Biden or other politicians. I don't watch any other news channels than BBC, which is neither left nor right biased, but I do read Internet articles and it's pretty clear that the man is a moron, and a dumb one at that. As for your reference regarding, "while the anti Trump crowd and left can't tell you what a woman is..and that men can get pregnant....hummm...", Well that seems to be the way the world is going at the moment, not that I'm in favour of it, in fact I'm not, but no need to get your knickers in a twist over that! You and Yellowtail seem to have a fixation on "the left/the right, yet none of this bothers me, what does is the prospect of having a complete, dumb, lying moron in charge of one of the most powerful countries in the world, when he has already presided over more than a dozen bankruptcies........good track record eh?.

Angry much!!!! 555 Trump deserves what he gets as he is an absolute plonker and a lying one at that, and unfortunately all that I have posted is true, so live with it.

Well I hate liars and Trump is a compulsive liar and despite what other MAGA/trump followers might say, his lies are extremely well documented and of course before his supporters jump in, he did take documents from the White House, which were found in Ma Largo, yet he said he hadn't got them, and when he was proven to be a liar, because they were found there, he said that he had thought about them and therefore was able to "declassify them" so he was able to take them – – absolute nonsense. With his ies he is able to grow a following of the gullible, or as he put it (his favourite people) the less well-educated and he deceives them with his lies which is even more despicable. He makes promises that he can't keep, simply because he is not smart enough and that's not good for an American president or for America. He pays hookers for sex and then denies it, it then arranges to get them paid off so they keep quiet. All the while, cheating on his wife while she was pregnant. He panders to the evangelicals and at the same time breaks just about every commandment in the Bible. Many of his businesses/companies have been liquidated or gone bankrupt and in this scenario many American working people have been deprived of wages/money, yet he has no problem with doing this, because he has done it many times. He has been found guillty of "misappropiating" (stealing) funds from a Charity to fund his campaigns and was fined $2 million and quote, "Donald Trump is in charge of enforcing the nation's laws, but he doesn't follow them. What a delicious twist of constitutional irony! He has overvalued the properties that he has in order to deceive banks and lending organisations to fund him, and hopefully these lies of his will be coming home to roost in the very near future. And the following may be of interest to you: – "It has long been a truism that politicians lie," wrote Carole McGranahan for the American Ethnologist journal in 2017. However, "Donald Trump is different" from other politicians, stated McGranahan, citing that Trump is the most "accomplished and effective liar" thus far to have ever participated in American politics. McGranahan felt that "the frequency, degree, and impact of lying in politics are now unprecedented" as a result of Trump.[ During and after his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post's fact-checkers documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during his presidential term, an average of about 21 per day.[1][5][6][7] The Toronto Star tallied 5,276 false claims from January 2017 to June 2019, an average of 6.1 per day.[2] Commentators and fact-checkers have described the scale of Trump's mendacity as "unprecedented" in American politics,[13] and the consistency of falsehoods a distinctive part of his business and political identities.[14] Scholarly analysis of Trump's tweets found "significant evidence" of an intent to deceive.[15] But of course the Trump followers will not believe anything untoward about their glorious orange leader, and it's unsurprising that Trump likes the "poorly educated" because they will gladly go down the rabbit hole and believe his lies and the MAGA conspiracy theories, because they are poorly educated and gullible. As has been said many, many times on this forum, it is pointless trying to state facts and truths to Trump followers, because they believe the lies that have been fed them through their association with this truly despicable man. Please don't insult my intelligence by trying to dispute the above because it is extremely well documented. In fact I am putting you on ignore, because I can handle and welcome "differences of opinion" but not Maga/trump supporters who persistently lie and refuse to see the truth because that is ignorant and stupid and a waste of my time.

Nice retort/response Yellowtail........Touche! And for the record, it's been some 17 years since I last voted, and when I did I voted for the New Zealand National party, which is opposite to what one would normally call the Labour Party/left, and the politics in NZ are far removed from those in the USA, so very difficult to pin one down to an actual ideology. As I have said before, I absolutely hate Trump with a vengeance because of what he is and what he has done, and IMO he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anything/any position with regards to the governing of the country.

Oh, I hope I haven't upset you, you poor thing, but I really wanted to focus on the nonsense remark about "the deep state", and I don't know where you got the idea from that I was a "leftist"? If you think that my political leanings are to the left, then you would be completely wrong, it's just that I can't stand the dumb orange lump, who grifts his supporters, lies continuously, steals from charities and has had so many businesses go bankrupt that it would take too long to list them here. Successful?? Not in a million years. I don't actually fancy myself as an intellectual, but I was responsible in NZ for producing a brochure/guide on investing using Managed Funds from various countries and providers, and this was vetted by well-known investment companies as well as by the banking ombudsman, and I was afforded many accolades for this, and conducted many seminars around NZ, so my credentials stand scrutiny. So please remain amused when people do focus on a particular part of your post to highlight a point. Deep State......really! And you think that you are an intellectual, believing in that nonsense. Utter rubbish, and gullible for believing in this and the conspiracy theories that surround it. Maga/rabbit hole/conspiracy theories/far right/deep state, how dumb can one get?

This thread seems to have gone quiet, so not quite sure if my post is okay or should be moved elsewhere, but all the same here goes........ The BBC News every night shows events in Israel and Gaza, so no one is short of information if they want it and there are many on here who call for Israel to cease what they are doing and American and UK politicians (and others) seem to think that a "two state solution" will work and wonder why this suggestion hasn't been adopted by Israel? My question would be, "why should they live next to a race of people who are governed by, and who have been infiltrated by terrorists, intent on destroying Israel"? And besides this, Israel has offered a way out of this conflict by suggesting that Hamas returns the hostages, and Israel will release its prisoners, and if Hamas lays down its arms, then the war, such as it is, will cease. Seems like a simple solution, so why won't Hamas accept it? The answer could well be in the fact that as they are a terrorist organisation, they need the weapons to be able to carry out their avowed intent with regards to destroying Israel and the Jews. So there is a solution, but Hamas won't accept it, and this being the case this conflict will go on and Hamas will reap what they have sown.

Just had to come back to that remark about the "deep state" because I didn't think it was widely accepted by normal, rational folk...... "According to an American political conspiracy theory, the deep state is a clandestine network of members of the federal government (especially within the FBI and CIA), working in conjunction with high-level financial and industrial entities and leaders, to exercise power alongside or within the elected United States . Political commentator and former presidential adviser David Gergen said that the term had been appropriated by Steve Bannon, Breitbart News, and other supporters of the Trump administration in order to delegitimize the critics of the presidency and critics of Trump's use of the term 'deep state' maintain that it is a conspiracy theory with no basis in reality. It has also spawned conspiracy theory advocates like Alex Jones who posits that the Sandy Hook shooting which killed 26 people, never happened and it was all a deep state plot to discredit the NRA. Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones filed for bankruptcy, after he and the parent of his Infowars website were ordered to pay about $1.5 billion for spreading lies about the 2012 Sandy Hook mass shooting". So maybe this will help the conspiracy theorists.....just because one is crazy, it doesn't mean one can't have style.

As soon as I saw the line above, I knew that I was in for a load of MAGA/ rabbit hole nonsense, so I stopped reading!! So sad that you have got it so bad!! LOL.