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I like Karma with my coffee...this is such a good news.
I hope the Wu tang Clan and Bill Murray will seize the opportunity to do their Heist and grab back this album
This guy was so full of sh.t on his twitter account
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Wow H90. You seriously are deluded.
Ever think that Suthep has never faced any sort of serious charges because he has friends in the right places?
The man himself ADMITTED to colluding in the coup. He was bundled off to the temple shortly thereafter.
For years, Suthep was the behind-the-scenes dealmaker for the Democrat Party, whose public face was the clean-cut, Oxford-educated Abhisit Vejjajiva. Abhisit was prime minister during the 2010 crackdown.
The party often relied on Suthep to do its dirty work, according to a U.S. Embassy cable from 2008 leaked by Wikileaks.
"Several Democrats have privately complained to us that he engages in corrupt and unethical behavior," the cable said. "While Abhisit appears publicly as an ethical intellectual, Suthep serves as the party's backroom dealmaker."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thailand-s-ex-deputy-pm-thaugsuban-becomes-street-fighter-1.2442156
There's a link for you.
I don't know why we bother though. You will just continue to stick your fingers in your ears going "lalalalalala".
Even Thai friends of mine that took part in the protest against the PTP government last year acknowledged Suthep's corruption. They just saw him as a 'lesser' evil.
If Thaksin is the don of the north then Suthep is definitely the don of the south.
H90 is probably the Don of the Bridge
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You seem quite lazy.
And we all know the Court here in Thailand is very professional, we can see this also clearly with the CEo of Central group, heir of Redbull, so as you seem to not be able to go on wikipedia here is the whole paragraph about it.
As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.[8] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpaiof the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.[9] In subsequentelections, Thai Nation Party won a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.
Wikileaks diplomatic cables from the US embassy revealed that many members of his own party have long complained of his corrupt and unethical behavior.[10][11][12]
In 2009, Suthep was accused of violating the Constitution of Thailand by holding equity in a media firm that had received concessions from the government. Under the 1997 Constitution of Thailand, which Suthep had supported, Members of Parliament are banned from holding stakes in companies which have received government concessions. In July 2009, the Election Commission announced that it would seek a ruling by theConstitutional Court to disqualify Suthep. Suthep held a press conference a day later, announcing his decision to resign from Parliament. Suthep's resignation as an MP did not affect his status as a Deputy Prime Minister and as a Cabinet member. If his case had been submitted to the Constitution Court, he would have been suspended from duty as Deputy Prime Minister. He insisted his resignation was not a proof that he had done anything wrong but that he was worried about status as Deputy Prime Minister.[13]
After several Criminal court rulings that deaths and injuries sustained by red-shirt protesters during the political unrest in April and May 2010 were the direct result of orders to soldiers given by Suthep Thaugsuban, the director of the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES), the Department of Special Investigation, public prosecutors and police agreed to file murder charges against him.[14][15]
Suthep along with Abhisit was also found responsible by the Court for the assassination of Italian journalist Fabio Polenghi, who was covering the 2010 protests.[16][17]
You probably forgot about the shortage of palm oil which resulted in a huge incrase of the price...guess who has lot of shares in many palm oil?
The evidences and testimonies are also quite easy to "erase" in this country, or are you really that innocent and find this country above any doubt regarding the judgments and trials ?
Is this enough for you?
You really try hard, try harder
So 20 years ago Suthep he gave land to farmers and well known these 11 wealthy families also used their land on which they sit since decades as farm land. A law that legalize the farmers land that he uses only for poor farmer, rich will be kicked out would not hold in any constitution. So there was nothing wrong 20!!! years ago.
He hold parts of a media firm and resigned.....That is hardly some big corruption.
And for the red-shirt protesters who shot some armies and tried to burn Bangkok.....yes he should have given that order earlier!
assassination of journalist.....I never heard about that.
So what was he sentenced for? Or is it just red blabla propaganda?
You really should go back under your bridge mate, you obviously only read what you want.
Financial stake in media :2009, not 20 years ago, palm oil, not 20 years ago
Palm Oil shortage: http://asiancorrespondent.com/2011/03/thailands-palm-oil-crisis-mr-s-strikes-again/ ( you won't read it as it is against your "hero")
Assassination of Journalist: you never heard of that but the links provided by wikipedia are hard to click, right?
And one more time, the "red card" is far outdated, I could also link you to a pro junta fanboy as you re a big fan of Suthep, but I don't...for now..but the justification of 200 civilian deads (official numbers, not the HRW numbers by the way) give me a hint on who you re supporting right now, you maybe should wear green, not yellow
So, as two wrongs don't make a right, as you have all the tools needed to look for the history of this crook, i will not go further in this discussion.
Twist it, bend it, lie.....
So we have off the table the land deal.
I read the Fabio thing now, no one claims an assassination....so that is a lie as well. He was were Military and Demonstrators shot each other and unlucky...he got shot. No assassination of Fabio Polenghi.
Palm Oil.....I am getting lazy....when was the corruption case at court? I guess it wasn't.
200 dead...Demonstrators who shot the Military officers first and had AKA-47 and other rifles. Grenade launcher, explosives in the parks, where they made traps and enough gasoline to burn down half Bangkok.
What should he have done? Throw cotton pads or wait till Bangkok is finally complete burned down?
Sure you can google some pictures and videos.
The only thing to avoid it would have been if Abhisit steps down. That might have been a better solution, but it wasn't up to Suthep.
And even if you were right....where is the corruption?
Being called a "bender" by a bridge owner like you is a bliss.
Yeah corruption does not exist and as long as the people are not guilty in front of the court, there is no corruption in this country...oh wait, that s also a part of the corruption to be able to avoid any problem with justice...not in Thailand right? I mean if Thaksin wasn't here this country would be free of corruption, right?
Edit: there is no "land case off the table" but i can't put your nose into the case physically or force you to get informed... so i just let go, it is ok, I mean, the wikileaks cables are all false, the people who fight against Thaksin are all saint and i have heard that Prayout has already been nominated to be the next anti corruption symbol worldwide
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If it is not irony it is just lack of knowledge about his actions past and present...
Do you really want a list or can you google his name with the keyword corruption alone?
Even his own party think he is far too corrupted
Believe me PTP tried hard to find some corruption on Suthep, but so far they failed to find any evidence. So if you know a secret please tell the courts.
You seem quite lazy.
And we all know the Court here in Thailand is very professional, we can see this also clearly with the CEo of Central group, heir of Redbull, so as you seem to not be able to go on wikipedia here is the whole paragraph about it.
As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.[8] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpaiof the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.[9] In subsequentelections, Thai Nation Party won a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.
Wikileaks diplomatic cables from the US embassy revealed that many members of his own party have long complained of his corrupt and unethical behavior.[10][11][12]
In 2009, Suthep was accused of violating the Constitution of Thailand by holding equity in a media firm that had received concessions from the government. Under the 1997 Constitution of Thailand, which Suthep had supported, Members of Parliament are banned from holding stakes in companies which have received government concessions. In July 2009, the Election Commission announced that it would seek a ruling by theConstitutional Court to disqualify Suthep. Suthep held a press conference a day later, announcing his decision to resign from Parliament. Suthep's resignation as an MP did not affect his status as a Deputy Prime Minister and as a Cabinet member. If his case had been submitted to the Constitution Court, he would have been suspended from duty as Deputy Prime Minister. He insisted his resignation was not a proof that he had done anything wrong but that he was worried about status as Deputy Prime Minister.[13]
After several Criminal court rulings that deaths and injuries sustained by red-shirt protesters during the political unrest in April and May 2010 were the direct result of orders to soldiers given by Suthep Thaugsuban, the director of the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES), the Department of Special Investigation, public prosecutors and police agreed to file murder charges against him.[14][15]
Suthep along with Abhisit was also found responsible by the Court for the assassination of Italian journalist Fabio Polenghi, who was covering the 2010 protests.[16][17]
You probably forgot about the shortage of palm oil which resulted in a huge incrase of the price...guess who has lot of shares in many palm oil?
The evidences and testimonies are also quite easy to "erase" in this country, or are you really that innocent and find this country above any doubt regarding the judgments and trials ?
Is this enough for you?
You really try hard, try harder
So 20 years ago Suthep he gave land to farmers and well known these 11 wealthy families also used their land on which they sit since decades as farm land. A law that legalize the farmers land that he uses only for poor farmer, rich will be kicked out would not hold in any constitution. So there was nothing wrong 20!!! years ago.
He hold parts of a media firm and resigned.....That is hardly some big corruption.
And for the red-shirt protesters who shot some armies and tried to burn Bangkok.....yes he should have given that order earlier!
assassination of journalist.....I never heard about that.
So what was he sentenced for? Or is it just red blabla propaganda?
You really should go back under your bridge mate, you obviously only read what you want.
Financial stake in media :2009, not 20 years ago, palm oil, not 20 years ago
Palm Oil shortage: http://asiancorrespondent.com/2011/03/thailands-palm-oil-crisis-mr-s-strikes-again/ ( you won't read it as it is against your "hero")
Assassination of Journalist: you never heard of that but the links provided by wikipedia are hard to click, right?
And one more time, the "red card" is far outdated, I could also link you to a pro junta fanboy as you re a big fan of Suthep, but I don't...for now..but the justification of 200 civilian deads (official numbers, not the HRW numbers by the way) give me a hint on who you re supporting right now, you maybe should wear green, not yellow
So, as two wrongs don't make a right, as you have all the tools needed to look for the history of this crook, i will not go further in this discussion.
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Screw you detractors, he is still my hero! I admire this guy for his leadership ability.
Read all the negative things above....there is no real argument or fact against him. Just blind hate.
I agree he is a hero.....
If it is not irony it is just lack of knowledge about his actions past and present...
Do you really want a list or can you google his name with the keyword corruption alone?
Even his own party think he is far too corrupted
Believe me PTP tried hard to find some corruption on Suthep, but so far they failed to find any evidence. So if you know a secret please tell the courts.
You seem quite lazy.
And we all know the Court here in Thailand is very professional, we can see this also clearly with the CEo of Central group, heir of Redbull, so as you seem to not be able to go on wikipedia here is the whole paragraph about it.
As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.[8] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpaiof the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.[9] In subsequentelections, Thai Nation Party won a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.
Wikileaks diplomatic cables from the US embassy revealed that many members of his own party have long complained of his corrupt and unethical behavior.[10][11][12]
In 2009, Suthep was accused of violating the Constitution of Thailand by holding equity in a media firm that had received concessions from the government. Under the 1997 Constitution of Thailand, which Suthep had supported, Members of Parliament are banned from holding stakes in companies which have received government concessions. In July 2009, the Election Commission announced that it would seek a ruling by theConstitutional Court to disqualify Suthep. Suthep held a press conference a day later, announcing his decision to resign from Parliament. Suthep's resignation as an MP did not affect his status as a Deputy Prime Minister and as a Cabinet member. If his case had been submitted to the Constitution Court, he would have been suspended from duty as Deputy Prime Minister. He insisted his resignation was not a proof that he had done anything wrong but that he was worried about status as Deputy Prime Minister.[13]
After several Criminal court rulings that deaths and injuries sustained by red-shirt protesters during the political unrest in April and May 2010 were the direct result of orders to soldiers given by Suthep Thaugsuban, the director of the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES), the Department of Special Investigation, public prosecutors and police agreed to file murder charges against him.[14][15]
Suthep along with Abhisit was also found responsible by the Court for the assassination of Italian journalist Fabio Polenghi, who was covering the 2010 protests.[16][17]
You probably forgot about the shortage of palm oil which resulted in a huge incrase of the price...guess who has lot of shares in many palm oil?
The evidences and testimonies are also quite easy to "erase" in this country, or are you really that innocent and find this country above any doubt regarding the judgments and trials ?
Is this enough for you?
You really try hard, try harder
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Ah so if you don't like Suthep because he is massive hypocrite in fighting corruption when he himself is loathed by his ex party members for his level of corruption, you must like Thaksin?
You see well balanced people don't like the fact that one is (rightly) deemed evil but the other gets a free pass because he represents the 'good' and 'traditional' power players.
Some of you need to wake up.
That's the only argument they got
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Your last comment just prove my point : so as i don t like suthep i am a thaksin fan? You re a joke dude, and should really open your eyes about this "hero", i don t see a reall answer about the corruption cases he has on his back...Screw you detractors, he is still my hero! I admire this guy for his leadership ability.
Glad to see you admire a corrupted guy...
and not a small corruption case but many and involving a lot of money
Do you know how was spent the money he get from the "rallies"?
Do you know who was the big winner of the Palm oil shortage>?
and much more
But, hey, we admire what we want to be I guess
Those comments mark you as a Thaksin supporter.............. well done on winning the corruption (and aspiration) stakes hands down.
I guess YOU just admire what you want to be.
You know the answer you gave is sooooo 2014...
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Screw you detractors, he is still my hero! I admire this guy for his leadership ability.
Read all the negative things above....there is no real argument or fact against him. Just blind hate.
I agree he is a hero.....
If it is not irony it is just lack of knowledge about his actions past and present...
Do you really want a list or can you google his name with the keyword corruption alone?
Even his own party think he is far too corrupted
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Screw you detractors, he is still my hero! I admire this guy for his leadership ability.
Glad to see you admire a corrupted guy...
and not a small corruption case but many and involving a lot of money
Do you know how was spent the money he get from the "rallies"?
Do you know who was the big winner of the Palm oil shortage>?
and much more
But, hey, we admire what we want to be I guess
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They will all be tested by Chalerm Himself
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Let me give you another slant on the death penalty. Forget the old innocent man argument. Although, for me that's cast iron.
Consider one Peter Sutcliffe, aka the Yorkshire Ripper.
A monster, sentenced to life. He has been savagely attacked several times, blinded in one eye by a dinner fork, and has chronic diabetes, and is reportedly terrified of losing sight in his remaining eye due to an future attack or diabetes. So, would you rather have hung him in the 80's a quick and I'm told, painless. Or relish his decline into hell over Decades? And the Kicker? After all this he's still going to die, probably in terror or in great pain. Now does the death penalty look so Good?
BTW it's also cheaper to jail someone for life, than to execute them, ask any rich appeals lawyer. Who pays for those Appeals? We taxpayers.
So three strong arguments why everyone but the perp. wins when life is handed down. The opposite argument has one position, revenge. Not much of an argument, more a goatherders simplistic biblical logic.
You were doing well up until the last sentence.
Some people need to be removed from this world. Some terrorists for example.
Some people need to be removed from this world. Some terrorists for example.
I ll vote for the trolls as well...
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not sure there are too many left, only the hard hitters and those well up the Thaksin payroll remain it seemsThis will probably piss-of most of the red skirts and end the so called "reconciliation"
And how do you "seem" that? Have I missed a recent election that could have cleared this issue up??
30% of the poll even with no opposition and 90% of polling booths open at the last count. If that doesn't teach you anything, I don't think you are able to be taught.
The reason we haven't seen this big uprising (nor will we) is that normal people got fed up with the lies and corruption - particularly when there was no money left for them. All we have now are the hard-core nutters who got collectively spanked for stealing from the tuck-shop and have gone into that insane rage of spite which is a very Thai quality shared by a section of society here. A bit like those boys murdering someone because they beat them at a video game.
Everyone else is hoping something better will come along. Thaksin threw his loyal supporters under a bus for his own personal amnesty. How many red-shirts could be out of prison now ?. Anyone who things he gives a damn about them at this point are either unbelievably gullible or are just hypocrites who actually want a more corruption-friendly government.
And red-shirts have precisely zero interest in any reconciliation with any other group. They never have. That has been clear for a long time. Remember Yinglucks big party with Blair and the others ?. Followed swiftly by the amnesty bill. Save your hypocrisy for your village meetings.
If you come back on this topic, which I doubt, can you confirm to me which "government"recently made an amnesty bill for past, present,and future things they may do and give them basically a licence to kill ?
Look for them, they re in charge now
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What about the "dog story"?
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Suthep is the creature sent by God to battle the evil anti-Christ and his band of dirty cronies.
Now the goblin is never coming back, Suthep's purpose is fulfilled and his sort aren't needed anymore. Maybe he just doesn't realise it yet.
Suthep? You mean the guy that even his own party members tell he is too corrupt? The land selling affair? The strange shortage of palm oil? The one who pocketed baht from the street for.... for what ? We will mever know...
And you should really try to cure your monomania
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They could also put in place the same thing they do in Switzerland if I remember correctly: Fines are proportionals to the incomes, so everybody would have to pay a dissuasive amount of money
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We have unreasonable fear. We fear police because we do not know that the justice system gives you the right to prove you are innocent,'' he said.
We will see on 24th of December with the koh tao trial farce
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I'm sorry but the civil war was fought to unify the states into the United States of America and the 13th ammendment was written to make all AMERICANS free, NOT every person in the world. I can see how this would not be aimed at Trump as 1 has nothing to do with the other.
Freeing enslaved people on American soil and banning America Haters and Terrorists isn't even close to the same train of thought.
Trump is very good to make the people around the world think the Americans need to be hated and fuel terrorism
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Daesh sent a thanks note to Trump for his work...
The ones praising Trump are probably the same who praise the second amendment, and yet spit on the Bill of Rights.
The open door policy got us 9/11, the Boston bombing , the fort Hood shooter, the DC sniper and on and on and on.
But could you please explain to me how Trump banning ISIS members from entering the US bodes well for ISIS ?
You must be a novice in propaganda or blind,
Daesh wants a war between muslims and Christians basically and Trump give them what they want.
They want the occident to hate the whole muslim community and fuel their troops with the hates speech.
Trump and Marine Le Pen, which you have as avatar picture (strange coming from someone who defend the Jew community considering the FN see the jews a bit like the Nazi did
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Certainly it is amusing to see how you people decide what my political stance is and my social standing as well,certainly if you were to meet me face to face you would indeed get a surprise.You all go on about censorship the repression of democracy as you those matters yet your posts stand and have not been censored so pray tell us just what is being censored or repressed
If your posts were considered seditious or a danger to national security they would have been removed and the board shut down, but being non Thai your powers are non existent nor do your comments reach a wide audience.This board is run by non Thai's for non Thai's to have their own platform.
The threat made by someone to remove his business from Thailand and no doubt cease to support two former Thai wives is unlikely to have a large impact on the Thai economy comments concerning going down the plughole are a trifle dramatic,
I do not agree with many of our arcane laws but all countries have them all countries have their own outspoken commentators but they are home grown and are within their right to criticize their own country its laws and culture.
The problem is that the posters here are drawing attention to themselves and a situation that is not going to go well for them or this board if those in authority see what is being said.The whole issue would be regarded as very anti government in a campaign conducted by outsiders , Please do not judge me as you wish to see me, I have long crusaded for a more equal society as have many others however all past administrations have had powerful family connections and that has led to the mass of corruption the present administration have inherited.Fighting the battle they are fighting is challenging they do not need and they wont tolerate interference from outside either.
Remember Thailand does not have a monopoly on corruption or political motor mouths.
And you think the PM has no connection whatsoever?
Read the international news, to be really informed....
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At last someone looking at the question of mass Muslim immigration without resorting to demagoguery. I have already stated that I abhor a situation where every Muslim is treated the same with a potential endgame of civil war and mass deportations. Indeed who would argue for this if there is any alternative?
Nothing Trump proposed is any more draconian than measures already in place throughout much of the Muslim world. Anyone condemning Trump must also condemn equally Countries excluding others based on religion.
If the west treated the Muslim world according to a strict quid pro quo I suspect we would not be facing half the problems we are doing. In highlighting this Trump has done the west a favour, if we were just quick enough to understand this.
http://www.thomaswictor.com/trump-is-not-the-problem-do-you-know-who-is/
Just answer this :
How will you ban muslim from entering USA? based on what?
The same the Nazi did with the jews by looking at their D.ck?
Or will you ask the world to put their religion on passport?
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Quick Poll : how many of the pro guns guys here have a gun in thailand for your own safety and travel with it at all time, because they are scared to death of the bad guys with guns?
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Radical Muslims who take every word in the Quaran serious (including killing of the nonbeliever) most probably also take the non alcohol part serious.
That group that goes in mixed group beer drinking in the discotheque is most probably not the group that want to kill me.
Then it's about time the Koran is edited, if it contains stuff that people shouldn't take notice of.
Any group of 'moderate' free thinking Muslims brave enough to take it on?
the Quaran also say :
If you kill a man it is like killing all the men
The man life is sacred and nobody should kill a man.
The bible has pretty tough words too, why not editing it?
yes ALSO says...you can pick what you want.
Bible, because there are basically no violent christian fanatics who kill non believer and homosexuals. For me as Atheist the bible is just a harmless fairy tale book. Growing up in a catholic country, always been outside the catholic teaching in school, I never was afraid of being beheaded, actually the very religious were very polite. Also being stoned to death for being raped doesn't happen to women in christian countries.
So no problem with the bible....
You obviously didn t went to abortion clinics in USA recently or looking at the anti gay community.
You also don't look at History,right?
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GeorgesAbitbol, on 10 Dec 2015 - 11:00, said:SgtRock, on 10 Dec 2015 - 10:49, said:Linzz, on 10 Dec 2015 - 10:42, said:Linzz, on 10 Dec 2015 - 10:42, said:Linzz, on 10 Dec 2015 - 10:42, said:
What are you talking about? I live next door to a lawyer in a suit who couldn't be more civilized and is not an Arab and doesn't know any. But he's a Muslim. Dresses up and party's at Ramadan celebrates Xmas and whatever else too. So am I missing something here? Are you telling me to open my eyes because secretly he is going to bomb my neighborhood and cut my head off because I'm not a believer?
Do you seriously think there is no difference???? Get real and open your eyes
Who knows.
Go research Amjen Chowdhary.
He is also a lawyer, he also partied with the best of them. He is currently incarcerated.
In USA it seems more probable to get shot by your christian neighbour than any muslim extremist if we look at the facts for 2015 only.
I responded to a query about a lawyer, and gave a comparison.
Shooting was not mentioned.
Thanks for your inappropriate input.
you re right it was about bombing.... look the history of your own conversation please, the main topic was about extremist muslim bombings
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The US has killed a lot more muslims than muslims killed anyone else. The US caused ISIS. The world would be a lot safer if Americans were not allowed out. Americans are more likely to be targeted, it is best they stay home.
Wrong, Muslims have killed over 250 million since the violent creed was spawned, Islam caused ISIS, not the USA. Trump was not talking about a permanent ban on Muslim immigration, just a temporary one. Did the USA still allow Japanese immigration in WW2? I don't think so and even had Japanese rounded up and put into camps. The west is at war with Islamic fanatics and many Muslims do want to conquer the west, despite wishful thinking liberals and apologists denials.
They banned the japanese by looking at their japanese passport, not Shinto believers...
How will you scan muslim?
IMF chief Christine Lagarde vows to fight court decision that she stand trial
in World News
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It is the main difference between Europe and some other countries, where you have to prove you're innocent.
They have to prove they are guilty, not the other way