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4 hours ago, hioctane said:
That is not what efficacy means. AZ vaccines prevents 100% of the vaccinated from needing hospitalization. Sinovac prevents 80%+.
These statistics are subject to change when variants such as the double-mutation gain currency in Thailand. 70% is a minimum figure anyway. Fauci and others speak of 80-85% of the entire population, which here means children, migrant workers, and foreigners. The percentage needed depends on the infectiousness of the virus.
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4 hours ago, hioctane said:
In all vaccinations, the target is 70% of a population. That is the estimated time when things will start getting back to normal and the virus grinds to halt in spreading. Of course, they will continue vaccinating.
Also, you overestimate how many Thais actually travel abroad.
Bangkok does not exist in a vacuum. What about the rest of Thailand? Maybe up country people will have to get tested and do 14-day quarantine to visit Bangkok??? The 30% unvaccinated Bangkokians will otherwise be vulnerable to infection from us up country folks.
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4 hours ago, hioctane said:
LOL. People need to learn math.
Population of Bangok in 2021: 10.7M
Eligible population.. Adults (about 80%): 8.56M
Target 70%: 6M
@ 50,000 a day = 120 days (~ 4 months)
Have you remembered that AZ needs 2 jabs per person? It would take 8 months!
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17 hours ago, Sheryl said:
For those who may be wondering - the term used in Thai for chronic disease wrongly translates in google translate as congenital disease.
Congenital diseases have nothing whatsoever to do with it. Wish the English language media would get the translation corrected as it is very misleading. But as they have been mistranslating this from day one it is likely to continue.
Is there a way to inform Google about these errors? I have noticed that "toom" is translated as "PM", so translation says "2 PM" instead of "8 PM".
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3 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:
Vaccination after this year will go on and will need to be done every year so there cannot be any real hoarding (i understand what you mean ) . But this time you should get what you can .
I'm concerned about viable vaccines such as AZ going to waste. Of course it should be a concern - how the AZ is doing countering the double-mutant variant in India. If the double-mutant is evading AZ protection, AZ should update their vaccine now at every production site.
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10 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:
Maybe , but you cannot denie that they should have ordered them when they thought they had everything under controle then your qeustion of where would have been answered .
Maybe a standard contract feature of vaccine sales should be that vaccines not used within a certain time should be return to producer for redistribution. End the hoarding.
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10 hours ago, sandyf said:
Incorrect. They didn't get the AZ deliveries that should have started in Feb so had to get what was available at the time so they could make a start.
Obviously the view on this forum is they should have waited for AZ to meet their obligation rather than get some from China. The local AZ has always been scheduled to start in June and very unlikely the outstanding AZ order will be delivered before then.
Where was the AZ order coming from? If from SII in India, it will be ages before that can happen.
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On 4/29/2021 at 3:50 PM, mfd101 said:
Why is it a disgrace? The dentist is to hang over someone's open mouth for half an hour or more and he's not entitled to be assured (to the extent possible) that his patient is not infected?
Maybe the dentist and assistants should display their up-to-date 'free-of-covid' antigen tests in the waiting room.
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On 4/28/2021 at 7:28 PM, Damrongsak said:
They spent a lot of money with many companies all along the supply and manufacturing chain so that those companies could expand capacity with less risk.
I'm aware of what you state, but the capacity is not even enough for the US if next time a rapid response is called for, i.e. producing vaccine for the population in around 4 months.
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5 hours ago, sandyf said:
Bit of an arbitrary statement, do you really know what it means?
The results may should that 50 out of a hundred did not get a good level of protection, but what you don't know is that the same 50 may have had exactly the same response from any other vaccine. It is all based on probability and any individual cannot know if they will get better immunity from one vaccine or another.
My nephew and his wife were both diagnosed with covid yesterday, both in mid 30's and both got their second AZ jab for a few weeks ago, have to wait and see how ill they get. Looks like she got it and passed it on to him.
Are you from India? I am wondering how AZ is performing there.
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8 hours ago, flyfrog said:
1 million a month that 65 months until everybody vaccinated????
No that would be 130 months for 65mn people, and before then boosters would probably be required!!
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8 hours ago, connda said:
Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Re EU suing AZ, I would say 'smoke & mirrors' politics
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5 hours ago, vandeventer said:
Yes another good choice. I hear Pfizer also is coming out with a pill after your two jabs for many virial VAINANTS. A PILL SOUNDS NICE!
Actually it's a treatment, but another company is developing a vaccine in pill form, not mRNA.
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4 hours ago, DLock said:
Most of these vaccines are for export.
Whilst these are manufactured in Thailand, they do not belong to Thailand - the belong to AZ, who has orders from around the world.
Thailand will order and be in the queue just like anyone else...
I recently posted about India - commandeering the AZ production destined for export. The failure of India to be the vaccine supplier to the world in this case should be ringing alarm bells about the inability of the world, really US, Germany, UK, and other technically sophisticated countries, to realize by now that overall vaccine production capacity is inadequate for dealing with this pandemic. Some time ago they should have been building more production facilities on an emergency basis. The obvious shortfall in production capacity of SB here is a cameo in the big picture.
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5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
the price differential will be insignificant.
The question is how AZ is doing protecting Indians from the double-mutant variant. If there is any problem there, it would be very cost effective to get Pfizer/Moderna and so enable Thailand be considered safe for tourists.
If the Thai population does not soon reach herd immunity through vaccination, it may be years before tourists feel safe to come here, as reputational damage and other safe destinations gaining popularity put more obstacles in front of revival of the Thai tourist industry.
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5 hours ago, newnative said:
So, they're 'speeding things up' but it's still going to be far off June before any vaccine is produced. June was the original date so where exactly is the 'speeding up'??? Meanwhile, why can't AZ send some vaccines NOW to bridge the long gap before local production starts?
We should ask Biden to share some AZ from their stock.
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6 hours ago, John435 said:
Delivering 1 million doses to Thailand per month (after June) seems like a bit of a drop in the ocean, given than we we need 100 million doses now.
As India has seen fit to commandeer Serum Institute's entire production of AZ vaccine previously contracted to other countries, what is stopping Thailand from doing the same? Thailand could be exploring vaccines that are advanced in the the trial pipeline which are not yet inundated with orders.
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18 hours ago, Damrongsak said:
The U.S. has thrown a lot of money into speeding up the vaccine testing and production. Billions.
But not to building facilities to rent/make available to vaccine producers. Current scale is insufficient to fill the lack of vaccines internationally in a reasonable time.
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4 hours ago, kynikoi said:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/bill-gates-doubles-down-opposition-open-vaccine-movement
Or Gates, et al clinging to IP rights while thousands die daily.
It's really tragic the 80+ countries have gotten roped into the fantasy that India and South Africa could produce mRNA vaccines if they only could break the patents. They would waste lots of time getting together the equipment, experiencing trial and error, various shortages, etc.
The reality is that the US could produce enough vaccine for all in a reasonable time if the US government ordered the creation of adequate production facilities. US needs that anyway to be able to respond quickly to the next viral challenge. But the World needs to bring this to the attention of US bureaucrats.
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3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:That's a bit of a cop-out! You can't deny he makes some interesting points, especially this one:
Perhaps the draconian measures make some feel safer but there is no question they are killing people in other ways as the economy craters and based on the results of the past 18 months the world has made little progress in containing this one. If anything the draconian measures have turned this pandemic into hysteria as you look at the news media and 8 of the 10 headlines each and every day provide scary headlines. The fact remains, you are more likely to die driving on a street in Thailand than you are dying from Covid.
However, the number of deaths from traffic fatalities will be passed by Covid, not to mention the chronic illness of survivors, considering that the double-mutation Indian variant is likely to arrive before enough can be vaccinated here, and that's not even considering the likelihood of new variants emerging in India.
All the negative news certainly adds to Covid fatigue, but suppressing news would be worse.
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8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:
So far, we are not seeing reports of full hospitals and ambulances circling looking for open beds. Not yet.
It would be interesting to get a breakdown of hospitals showing occupancy rates.
Let's hope that Cambodia & Burma don't permit arrivals from India, either!
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17 hours ago, NanLaew said:
It was detected in Holland first, about five weeks before the UK completed the genomic analysis and confirmed its existence.
It's not worthwhile labeling these variants as they are evolving everywhere there's no control on people movement.
A guy was telling me he would like to know where these infections are being detected so he can avoid them. I tried to tell him if it has already been detected there, it is too late and it has already moved on. It is spread by people movements and not by markets or malls.
Maybe the world can compromise and call it the "Tulip Variant"
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20 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Whens Vladimir Putin going to take Sputnik? Most country leaders have shown by example, he's missing on the list, wonder why?
Would no doubt have to have some tester go first, to make sure does not contain Polonium, etc
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22 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:
The sputnik vaccine... one dose and you'll feel like you're floating in space...
Enhanced with Fentanyl??
People in Thailand look set to be restricted in choice of vaccine
in Thailand News
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So is AstraZeneca supervising the production? Anyway, AZ is new to vaccines itself.
After a recent snafu in Maryland where somebody at Emergent Biosolutions mixed AZ materials in a batch of J&J, they moved the AZ production to another site, and J&J has sent their own staff to supervise at Emergent.