dick dasterdly

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK?

I could have sworn that there was a thread started earlier today about the eu response?

I can't find it now, but it included phrases from the eu such as 'we are prepared for brexit happening on 12th April'/ 'we have to change our game-plan' etc.?

Perhaps I read it somewhere else? 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the Tories running the show.

 

Since when did the Tory party become ‘the left’!

I disagree with the first para. - as IMO it's the remainer MP's running the show.

Agree with your second para. insofar as it annoys me intensely when I read these 'left/right wing labels' describing either brexiteers or remainers.

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

“The Government Digital Service have a number of ways of identifying and preventing fraudulent activity based around blocking, removing and monitoring signatures as appropriate.

“Some types of fraud are monitored to ensure that it does not affect the integrity of the petition. Evidence of fraud may affect whether the Petitions Committee choose to act on the petition.

“We do not comment in detail on fraud. Ideally someone who has tried to fraudulently sign the petition would never realise that they have failed.”

This quote from the Govt. Digital Service is supposed to be reassuring?

In other words, "ideally" they can delete any petition 'votes' they don't like - without even the petition 'voter' being aware?! ????

17 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Obvious solution is just to stay in the EU.

Yes, the majority of the electorate will have no problem with this - even though they voted to leave.....

Even MPs aren't stupid enough to believe this type of drivel!

JRM deciding to support the eu/may deal - only proves that politicians can't be trusted in any way.....

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That doesn't mean that they would be accepted. There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector.

 

UK immigration has the power to reject EU applicants. And to deport them.

Are you serious?

On the grounds of "public security, public policy, public health grounds and employment in the public sector."

????

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Brexiteers have two choices, not leaving or not really leaving.

And paying a lot of money for the 'privilege'......

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Members of the ruling Conservative party elect Ministers from within the Party to be Prime Minister and the other Ministers vote on who they want  , as Ferage isnt a member of the Conservative Party , he was unable to stand for election leadership

I'm not talking about Farage as PM - just as the lead negotiator.

I'm sure they could have made an exception (even though he wasn't part of the tory party), as Farage was the most obvious person to lead negotiations to leave the eu.

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Isnt there European freedom of movement , giving all E.U member Countries the rights to go and live and work in any other E.U. Country ? 

Grouse said a while ago that this is not the case, and that the brit. govt. could have applied restrictions.

I've no idea whether this is true or not.

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Farage is not part of the UK ruling Government , so he was unable to be a UK Gov representative , although he was in Brussels taking part in the debates as an independent M.E.Pp

Whilst I agree, the last person the brit. govt. wanted involved in negotiations is Farage!

Having said that, as far as I know he didn't offer.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

In 1975 we joined a golf club, unfortunately later the EU wanted to play rugby.

Oh come on, even in '75 it was obvious that the eu was only interested in the power of a few groups.....

CAP is the prime example.  How the brit. electorate didn't realise that this would only result in higher prices is beyond me!

Even as a 15 year old, I was able to realise that this would be the case.....

Something has gone horribly wrong when genuine leavers are thankful for the DUP torpedoing the eu/may deal ????!

Not that it matters, as we're still reliant on MPs trying to find a way to get out of the referendum result - brexit......

26 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Depends on the options in any future referendum - if MPs decide to take this route.

 

If it was:-

1) Accept the eu/may deal

2) Leave immediately

 

I think the vote would go to 'leave immediately', as even remainers know that the eu/may 'deal' is the worst possible option?

18 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I've already said that I can't see MPs allowing 'no deal' to happen.

 

Hence the other points I've raised.

13 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Read your post 68. It's pointless suggesting a referendum could include a no-deal option because you've already discounted it and, more to the point, so has parliament. 

Nothing to do with my opinion, 'cos as you so rightly point out - it's worth nothing.

We're now looking at the entertaining spectacle of MPs desperately trying to find a way to remain - without losing their seats at the next GE - and the best way they can vote to achieve this goal ????!

Sadly, it has nothing to do with the referendum result anymore - it's all about how they can save their <deleted>........

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

Pie in the sky thinking. Parliament will not let a no-deal occur, even if they have to pass legislation to prevent it. 

I've already said that I can't see MPs allowing 'no deal' to happen.

Hence the other points I've raised.

1 minute ago, JTXR said:

The UK moves right past "global laughing stock" to whatever uncharted territory is on the other side of that.

Instead of relying on insults, perhaps you could post a reasoned opinion?

10 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That could be the final default position - which as far as May is concerned could be her best chance of getting her deal passed - even if it's delayed a few months. 

 

In the meantime, more businesses and people will leave the UK to stew in its own muck. 

Depends on the options in any future referendum - if MPs decide to take this route.

If it was:-

1) Accept the eu/may deal

2) Leave immediately

I think the vote would go to 'leave immediately', as even remainers know that the eu/may 'deal' is the worst possible option?

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament takes control and then votes No to every option. You couldn't make this sheeit up. Looks to me like it's down to the following.

 

1.  May's deal

2.  No Deal

3.  Revoke article 50

 

If Bercow is as good as his word (I don't believe he is, his decisions are based on his desire to Remain) then option 1 cannot be voted on again. So we're down to No Deal or revoke article 50. I don't believe they can revoke article 50 at this stage so we're out on April 12? Maybe, but I believe if we got close enough to No Deal then the EU would blink and do something about the backstop to get May's deal through. Anything to get their grubby little paws on the 39 Billion, the little scrotes that they are.

I doubt MPs are brave enough to vote to revoke article 50, so another referendum is also possible?

18 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The Remainers have as much idea as the man in the moon. Of their favourite options, none of them made it past the commons last night. It seems that Remainers cannot decide amongst themselves. Even with a delayed exit, they are still running out of time.
The HOC backed secondary legislation to delay the exit to match the EU council dates. The statutory instrument changes the European Union Withdrawal Act, alters the Brexit date to either May 22, if May’s deal is passed this week, or April 12 if it is not. What is going to happen in the next two weeks?
Even with May’s promise to resign, without DUP support her surrender document is unlikely to pass, and according to Bercow will not be brought before the house again anyway.

No ‘agreement’, no options, no plan, no more extensions, defaults to No Deal.

"What is going to happen in the next two weeks?"

No idea, but I'm sure it will be both entertaining and extremely annoying at the same time! ????

"No ‘agreement’, no options, no plan, no more extensions, defaults to No Deal."

I doubt MPs will allow this to happen, as the vast majority are remain supporters (and my doubts about some of the more prominent brexit MPs are increasing too).....  Edit - I also wouldn't rely on 'no more extensions' ????.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I know what your preferred option is and I know that TM’s deal was roundly criticised as worse than remain.

 

The reason this turns into ‘a Spanish Inquisition’ is the gaping holes in Brexiteer logic.

 

As for the outcome of Brexit, I like to remind myself.

 

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

Precisely which 'bird in the hand'??

7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Its a mystery , no one here on Thai visa knows .

Why will TM be resigning and her deal gets passed ?

Could someone go and read the news and find out and report back to us ?

I am busy reading the 76 page UKIP manifesto 

Why on earth are you reading the UKIP manifesto??

Edit - I ask, as suspect they are a 'done force' now that Farage has disowned them and started a new party.

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Exactly; MPs can't or wont decide. I heard on the radio today that Rees-Mogg has now said that campaigning to leave without a clear idea of how to handle Brexit was a big mistake. I agree; they should have had at least some idea of how to handle Brexit if they won; if they had then we probably wouldn't be in this mess now!

 

But they didn't and we are; so let us the people make the decision with a legally binding referendum in which we are asked to vote for our first and second preferences out of three options:

1. Brexit with whatever deal has been agreed between the UK and EU,
2. Brexit without a deal, or
3. cancel Article 50 and remain in the EU.

If no option has 50% plus 1 of the first preference votes then the option with the lowest number of first preference votes is eliminated and the second preference votes on those ballot papers allocated to the appropriate option.

 

Obviously, if support for Brexit is still as strong as it was in 2016 then this would favour Brexit as very few, if any, Brexiteers would put remain as their second choice. So I have to wonder why so many Brexiteers are against the idea.

 

Well, there is the obvious reason, of course!

 

As has been explained previously, your suggestion has two 'remain' options, so leavers would be forced to vote for a remain option as their 'second choice' - which is why I'm against your 'second choice' idea.

Having said that, I support the idea of another referendum with only the first two options.