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At the end of the day, the 2 year investigation has resulted in nothing.... and as far as I can make out, Mueller is considered a person with integrity?

Perhaps time for the democrats to start remembering their voter base, and coming out with policies and candidates that support this base?

I'm not American and know nothing about US politics, but it seems obvious that once you lose your supporters to someone like trump - it's seriously time to start looking at yourself as to how this happened!

21 minutes ago, Spidey said:

British mate, proud of it and the reason why I want to remain. Better to stay and fight rather than to run and hide. Where's your British spirit man? No backbone, that's your problem.

 

                                                        

Yes, I hoped that the eu would make attempts at self-reform after the brexit vote - but they did nothing of the sort....

You seriously think there is any chance of this happening without it being forced upon them?  Why on earth would they give up their power and money of their own initiative???

7 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

So tell me why that should be? Is it because they believe that the Brexit plan falls short of what could be actually good for Britain?

 

Bottom line for me is i can accept leaving the EU but stay in the single market, CU, and ECJ, which wouldn't devastate Britain's economy or businesses. There is a 'EU control' cost to this, but hell, the UK voted to leave, so must bear the consequences.

 

No such thing as a free lunch.

The reasons why MPs are keen on remaining have been posted time and time again - and it has nothing to do with what is 'good for the electorate' - it's all about what is good for them personally......

This week is going to be very entertaining!

Popcorn and booze at the ready ????.

10 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

May's deal is worse than remaining in the EU. It is right for parliament to reject it. At least a semblance of sanity prevails now they're taking over to provide indicative ways forward.

I'd like to agree, but it has to be remembered the vast majority of MPs are remainers.....

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Guys, can you help me a bit, am in hospital and struggle a bit with following developments.

 

EU expects vote on deal this week.

 

This morning around 0500 - 0600 Thai time BBC World News repeatedly reported about a vote that failed in Commons

last night, failed by about 25 votes.

What kind of vote was that?, BBC never mentioned that. 

 

just curious

 

 

 

Sorry to hear that you're in hospital ☹️.  Hope it's for something minor and that you're ok.

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

But then Nigel and his kippers won't get their EU pensions  - given their service to the cause you wouldn't want to see that. Alternatively they could have a gofundme and you Brexiteers could dig deep with your denuded pounds to help out. 

 

 

Of course he will, although the money contributed by his employer will cease once the uk stops paying into the eu and he loses that job.

Do you have no idea how company pensions work?

43 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

The UK does not get off the hook for the 39 billion even if there is no deal - they owe this for a 7 year budget that started in 2014, and are legally obligated to pay. This would end up in Court, and would definitely be the first point of order in any new trade deal with the EU. The UK will eventually pay this money deal or no deal.

 

 

https://qz.com/1134703/brexit-divorce-bill-explained-why-the-uk-needs-to-pay-the-eu-to-leave/

I thought the current budget ended in 2021 (but am ashamed to admit that I can't be bothered to look it up).

Regardless of which of us is right - how does this equate to 39 bn?

There's a reason why both the brit. and eu govt.s are being very 'shy' about publishing their calculations as to how they arrived at this amount.....

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Of course they say it will be a disaster. Just as they predicted 500,000 jobs losses, emergency budget, recession etc. just on a VOTE to leave (not actually leaving). Look how that turned out, we're doing pretty well despite the doomsday predictions.

 

There will be no cliff edge, no car crash, this is just emotive language which if repeated often enough people start to believe. We'll trade on WTO terms as we do with most of the rest of the world until a trade deal is reached. There will be some minor delays at the main EU ports for a few months I'd imagine but essentials like vital medicine can be sourced from outside the EU if necessary. If essentials cost more to bring in by air from outside the EU, subsidize it from the 39 Billion we saved until things settle down. There are plenty of 'experts' predicting very little negative impact from No Deal and quite a few benefits, just as you have the peddlers of Project Fear predicting 30% house price falls, outbreaks of super gonorrhoea etc.

 

I keep hearing about the disaster of No Deal (crashing out, cliff edge etc.) but when it comes to specifics I don't hear too much. If there was good will on both sides it wouldn't be as much of an issue but unfortunately the EU is extremely bitter about our decision to leave and wants to punish the UK to deter another country leaving and prompting their house of cards to topple. Like I said, it's like a mafia kneecapping one of the gang when they inform the boss they intend to leave.

Plus, the brit. govt. is also determined to remain - and desperately hoping for something miraculous to occur, so that they can get away with this, without losing their seats. ????

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I'll have a look at the 'March' - small ramble would be more appropriate and report back to the group. Meanwhile, remember Nigel's Brexit Party he has formed and leads - it has a staggering !! 18.8k followers I smell a whole lot of lost deposits if they ever try and stand for anything. 

 

https://twitter.com/@brexitparty_uk

Interesting point.

Personally I haven't looked up Farage's new party - but will if the govt. fail to implement the referendum result.

There would have to be something seriously bad in their policies for me not to vote for them at the next GE!  And I'm someone who gave up voting in GE's a long time ago, considering them all as bad as each other.....  But as the current parties have done everything possible (so far) to bypass the referendum result - they need to be shown that even more of the electorate are more than a little annoyed at their antics.....

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

That's was Treason May's big mistake. You have to take a side Leave or Remain. Her abortion of a deal was a half way house.

It's not just a half-way house, it's the 'kit-kat' promised.....

30 minutes ago, steve187 said:

no i wanted out, because it was the first time my government had let me have a choice of the EU euro state they had signed me up for, knowing full well that it would affect me, now i just don't care, they have worn me down with all the sh*t, lets stay and be ruled by a bunch of non elected bureaucrats, who hate Britain and the British and have always done so, and to top it all it all, it will make things easier for me

everyone that voted leave, never had a soft leave option. leave is leave that's what was voted for by the majority of voters that voted.

Cheer up by remembering that the electorate are likely to be very bad tempered at the next GE - and a number of MPs are likely to lose their seats ????.

37 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Another one pushing the Brexit = no-deal only fake button.

I think you misunderstand.

Brexiteers obviously hoped that trade deals could be quickly negotiated with the eu as part of the leaving/transition process.  Instead, trade deals have been ignored by both the eu and, more suprisingly, the uk govt.!

Consequently, nearly 3 years later, we're (as in MPs......) are left in the position of having to agree to one of the following options:-

1) Agree the appalling deal agreed by the eu and may.  The 'transition period' will then be extended to May.

2) Reject the eu/may deal - in which case, according to the eu's latest terms, the uk leaves the eu on the 12th April.  (Yeah, right ????).  All a bit odd, as bercow has already said that unless the deal is changed substantially, it cannot be voted on again!

3) Tell the eu that the uk is Leaving on 29th March, but MPs have said that they will not agree to no deal.  (Which only proves that they are determined to remain in one way or another...., and is the worst 'negotiating tactic' in history!)

4) Another referendum, but MPs have said they will not agree to this?

5) MPs decide to revoke article 50 and accept that a large (?) majority of the electorate will see this as a betrayal of democracy.  (I estimate 'large majority' - as I'm pretty sure more than a few remainers will recognise this as a betrayal of democracy.)

59 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Not relevant the point you hoped to disrupt (& I couldn't find a picture of fatty in UJ livery on the hoof).

Don't worry, I'm sure bomber will be along soon to post the picture - even though he's been told not to do so by the mods....