Bkk Brian

The lasting solution is to defeat Hamas first, nothing can be done while they are still active and running Gaza. The lasting solution is to defeat Hamas.

This is more like it, from the European Union proposal and just passed in a resolution. A permanent ceasefire only after all hostages are “immediately and unconditionally released” and “the terrorist organization Hamas is dismantled.” European parliament backs ceasefire resolution contingent on hostages’ release, Hamas’s ouster In a resolution that showed significant support for Israel, the European Parliament calls for a permanent ceasefire after all hostages are “immediately and unconditionally released” and “the terrorist organization Hamas is dismantled.” The resolution was adopted by 312 votes in favor, 131 against and 72 abstentions. At the same time, the MEPs denounce “the disproportionate Israeli military response, which has caused a civilian death toll on an unprecedented scale.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/european-parliament-backs-ceasefire-resolution-contingent-on-hostages-release-hamass-ouster/

This is interesting. In March, 2023, the Islamic Fatwa Council issued a FATWA directly BLAMING Hamas for the oppression of Palestinians in Gaza and calling on the terrorist group to make peace with Israel. The first of its kind religious edict stated that Hamas is a TERRORIST org which VIOLATES the tenets of Islam and that Muslims SHOULD NOT “pray for, support, finance or fight on behalf of Hamas.” The ruling enumerated 11 correlations between Hamas and ISIS, including the use of suicide bombers, missile attacks against civilians; torture or inhuman treatment by Hamas personnel; unjust imprisonment; use of child soldiers, and genocidal aspirations, in the case of Hamas annihilating the Jews. Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas The Islamic Fatwa Council is a judicial body that specializes in Islamic law, represents both Sunnis and Shiites, and is chaired by Grand Ayatollah Shaikh Fadhil al-Budairi. Among several key mission objectives, the council says it strives to “reclaim the Islamic legal system from extremists, Islamists, and supporters of terrorism.” The fatwa is the first against Hamas by an accredited Islamic legal body. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/03/13/senior-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-hamas/

The tunnel network was originally assed to be around 250 miles long, its now estimated to be "350 and 450 miles — extraordinary figures for a territory that at its longest point is only 25 miles. Two of the officials also assessed there are close to 5,700 separate shafts leading down to the tunnels." To put that in perspective: This is the London Underground. The network is 250 miles long. It's only 55-70% the length of the network of military tunnels Hamas built under Gaza, with shafts poking out in homes, schools, mosques, and UN facilities. Israel Unearths More of a Subterranean Fortress Under Gaza Another stretched nearly three football fields long and was hidden beneath a hospital. Under the house of a senior Hamas commander, the Israeli military found a spiral staircase leading to a tunnel approximately seven stories deep. These details and new information about the tunnels, some made public by the Israeli military and documented by video and photographs, underscore why the tunnels were considered a major threat to the Israeli military in Gaza even before the war started. https://archive.ph/gyzPS https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/us/politics/israel-gaza-tunnels.html

This tunnel is huge with large rocket production facilities including lathes, all hidden under or near residential center WATCH: An in-depth look inside Hamas tunnels in central Gaza, where a plant for the manufacture of rockets and munitions was hidden beneath and near civilian structures

Of course I back Pakistan's statement, its International Law and they have a right to strike back which is exactly what they did.

Yes it was fine for Iran to do that and expect the consequences. Which it just has. Back in your box yet?

By the way, I'm not defending Iran's decision Good, I am defending Pakistan's decision to hit back at terrorists in Iran.

You have nothing then only more deflection

Quite right too. Iran needs to feel the heat Pakistan launches retaliatory strikes into Iran, with reports of seven killed Pakistan has launched retaliatory missile strikes into Iran, reportedly killing seven people, after Iran carried out strikes in Pakistan late on Tuesday. Pakistan said its strikes had hit "terrorist hideouts" in Iran's Sistan-Baluchestan province. Three women and four children were killed, Iran state TV said. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68014882

Great, you do that, everyone has a right to self defense no matter what or who they are. I look forward to it. I also agree with the US and UK hitting the houthi's but they also have a right to retaliate back on the US and UK.

This is not about Israel and I am not getting drawn in by your off topic deflection, start your own topic on that or go to tome of the dozens currently running on Israel already. Again I agree with the statement by Pakistan as I would for any state for whatever reason being hit by another country. Back in your box

The irony is that you have an obsession with calling out Israel all the time. Israel is fighting a war because of being invaded by terrorists and is not the topic of this thread.

What do you not agree with in this statement? Last night’s unprovoked and blatant breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty by Iran is a violation of international law and the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. This illegal act is completely unacceptable and has no justification whatsoever. Pakistan reserves the right to respond to this illegal act. The responsibility for the consequences will lie squarely with Iran.

Are you claiming that Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself from terrorists? I did a copy and paste quote, I am not claiming anything but I do agree with the statement made by Pakistan. Clear enough for you?

Nah, I have read your post history, I know you very well. There are only one set of hostages and some of those have been horribly raped and abused while still languishing in tunnels in Gaza.

Who the hell is Jimmy Steward, more deflection nonsense. I will leave you and your prolific criticism of Israel there, i find it repugnant on this issue, a deal has been done with Hamas that should have been done weeks ago, a deal that Hamas broke not Israel. A deal that was for hostage/prisoner exchange and Red cross visits. Hope you enjoyed the latest Hamas video offerings, any more criticism of Israel there?

But the deal that was just concluded had no provisions for Red Cross visits Changing goal posts again, that's nothing to do with your initial post, pure dishonest deflection What took Israel so long to agree to this deal? Hamas just made this condition not Israel..........jeez The deal was for medical aid and the Red Cross to visit in Nov as part of the exchange with hostages but Hamas did not deliver and broke the deal. Again your criticism of Israel on this is bizarre, it should be at the terrorist's who should have done this when the Red Cross asked in Oct and the very least when it was part of the formal hostage deal in Nov.

What is this about Red Cross visits? Red Cross visits check the health of hostages and see what medical needs there are, what is it you don't understand about that, what is it that you fail to understand that this is their role to do this. There are no preconditions set for this unless you think terrorists have the right to ask for this. The hostage/prisoner exchange in Nov also had this condition set for Red Cross visits but Hamas failed to deliver. Yes your pedantry. Nov 29th. Israelis call for Red Cross medical access to hostages who remain in Gaza https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israelis-call-for-red-cross-medical-access-to-hostages-who-remain-in-gaza-1.7043809

Typical Hamas supporter rhetoric

Yea of course you do, back tracking on your previous conspiracies now

Pathetic, Red Cross visits to hostage's are part of their role and your now just playing your normal pedantic games in your failed attempts at criticizing Israel instead of the terrorists who failed to give access

Your claim: "Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?" It did not take so long, they have been asking the Red cross, Hamas & Qatar for a very long time, first demands to the Red Cross were beginning of Nov. It was then made a condition of the hostage/prisoner swap in a direct deal with Qatar who was mediating with Hamas end of Nov, not last week as in your link. After that there was constant pressure applied for Red Cross visits. That's why it was and remains nonsense

Getting rid of Hamas is the goal. Enough of your "far right" sick conspiracies. Conspiracy Theorists Go Viral With Unsubstantiated Claim About Israel-Hamas Conflict The origin of this conspiracy theory appears to be Charlie Kirk, a far-right influencer and strong supporter of former president Donald Trump. The 29-year-old Kirk, who leads a national college-focused Republican group called Turning Point USA, appeared on the PBD Podcast on Thursday and insisted he wasn’t spreading a conspiracy theory before immediately helping spread an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/10/16/conspiracy-theorists-go-viral-with-unsubstantiated-claim-about-israel-hamas-conflict/?sh=3f885aa06e98

Second time you've made up that baseless and sick conspiracy theory. Does it make you feel better thinking that Israel deliberately wanted its innocent civilians and children executed, tortured, mass raped, mutilated while alive, burnt alive and abducted. Yes? oh jolly good