Chomper Higgot

We all know what is the topic of discussion, and for those who occasionally forget it’s still there at the top of the thread

It reads like a monster threat. I’m sure it’s not the first ‘mobster threat’ the DoJ has come across. Thanks for posting!

He can absolutely just say something is Declassified. But in doing so he puts a peg in the ground. His statement is an admission of guilt.

Of course you guess Hillary, she’s living rent free in your head.

You need to get over the idea that the UK has some kind of special relationship with the UK. The UK shall not do as it pleases in Ireland without pushback from the significant Irish lobby in the US. Characterize this as ‘Biden supporting the IRA’ if doing so makes you feel better about the UK policies in Ireland being very much subject to approval from Washington, regardless of who is President. The views of voting Irish Americans are far more important to US Presidents than what the UK thinks it can do in Ireland.

There is no executive privilege covering criminal actions, it doesn’t exist. Which is probably why whoever came up with this nonsense chose to disseminate it through FOXnews

US National Security put at risk, it’s the stuff that warrants doubling down on support for the man who created the risk while dishing out laughing emojis.

Name her please, ‘Marjorie Taylor Greene’ extreme rightwing fruitcake.

Here’s a thing. There are two real and serious threats arising from Trump illegally removing TS/SCI documents to his Mar-a-Largo home. The first real and serious threat is to Trump himself, we know he’s under criminal investigation for violating the espionage Act, this is a real and serious threat to Trump’s liberty. Trump supporters know this, hence they are focussed on trying to claim Trump has a right to have these documents at his home/declassified these documents and/or these documents were planted - Well good luck with that, it won’t work. Senator Paul Rand had taken a different tack, he suddenly wants to repeal the Espionage Act. This begs a question, what threat is Rand facing from this case that he feels the US does not need an Act of law outlawing Espionage? All of the above is a threat to Trump and those in his immediate sphere. But then there’s this, the real nasty, real dangerous threat: Who has had access to these TS/SCI documents while they were in Trump’s possession at Mar-a-Largo? We have learned from news reports that the FBI have obtained video footage of the document boxes being moved around Mar-a-Largo at times after Trump’s attorney(s) had already submitted statements that all documents were returned (unequivocal evidence of false statements/obstruction of Justice and hence more threats to Trump). But this ‘movement’ of the documents raises a question. Why were the documents being moved? Who was being given access to the documents? This is the real threat, not to Trump but to US National Security. If, as reported, the TS/SCI documents included documents relating to US Nuclear Weapons Systems then the possibility of US adversaries getting access to these documents has to be considered a reality. This is a threat to US National Security and is something all Americans should be concerned about. It’s not about Trump, it’s about the whole of the US. Nobody gets to ignore this threat, play this threat down, claim this is not a real threat and still maintain any claim whatsoever to being a patriot.

Perhaps Franklin had in mind the possibility of a President losing an election then encouraging his supporters to overthrow the election result. Or maybe Franklin envisaged a President being investigated for serious crimes and his supporters responding by threatening civil war.

Do they ever get to hear that truth?

You forget, it wasn’t ’the media’ that put this story out. It was Trump. Tge first anyone not directly involved in any of this heard about it was when Trump went public.

He’s probably getting them from the same source that you get yours.

In your defense, you’re a ‘Brit’, you have a reasonable excuse for not knowing the first thing about what’s going on in US politics. I suggest you make best use of that excuse and stop embarrassing yourself. But of course if that’s your intention, feel free to ‘carry on regardless’.

There’s an added advantage of prosecuting Trump on espionage charges. It might be good cause to keep his corpse out of Arlington when he finally croaks. Bury him on a golf course, tge nation’s hero’s deserve not to have him as company.

Please do not cut my statements and respond out of context.

There is a s no law against it, there is a DoJ memorandum but it does s not cast in stone.

He could, but there are a couple of problems. Firstly he would have to get selected by the Republican Party as their candidate. Secondly the moment he announces a run all his campaign finances are subject to scrutiny under Election law. I doubt he wants that. Finally there is the problem of Trump’s Final line of defense. I’ll make a punt here, when Trump is finally cornered by criminal prosecution he’ll claim unfitness to stand trial. Trump will not be a candidate in 2024, stick a fork in him, he’s done.

The DoJ is an organization, it is not an individual. Individuals may or may not be capable of correcting their behavior, tge ability to correct the behavior of organizations is a demonstrable fact: Fire and replace the management. Restructure the organization. Re-write procedures and practices. Subject the organization to oversight. The list goes on. Your assertion that because the FBI abused its power in the past is somehow evidence of abuse now is patent nonsense.

There is politics in this. The DoJ cannot afford to bring one case against Trump and risk losing all other cases on the back of that single case. I expect the DoJ will assemble every last bit of evidence of every single crime they can uncover. I’ve given examples we know about above, but think about the fact this search came out of the blue. What else then is coming down the pike?

The DoJ does not decide if there is sufficient evidence to move forward with a prosecution. The DoJ makes a determination that there is sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution, and then (following the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution) places the evidence before a Grand Jury. It is the Grand Jury that decides if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. Grand Juries sit in camera, their deliberations are secret and even the fact there is a Grand Jury empaneled is not declared. It is also usual for the DoJ to assemble all charges against an individual, we might expect the DoJ to be particularly thorough in the case of charges against a former President. Despite the deliberations of Grand Juries being held in camera we do often learn from witnesses called before Grand Juries of their existence, especially if a witness(es) goes to court to challenge a subpoena. We also know that several members of Trump’s high level administration have recently been subject to search warrants, seizures and subpoenas, the DoJ issues subpoenas to ‘witnesses’ to the activities of the ‘target’, hence it is very reasonable to assume that Trump is the target. This recent raid related to theft and the laws of espionage. From observation of arrests , searches and court filings we know the DoJ is investigating the events of J6. We know the DoJ is investigating attempts to rig individual State election results. We know the DoJ is investigation ‘slates of fake electors (who helpfully signed their names on fake election returns). So to answer your question we would need to know how long all of this will take, and of course we can have no real idea. What we can be certain of is it’s all in progress. Justice is coming.

Well reports of top secret documents being recovered.

Has not yet led to criminal charges.

Pedantry won’t save him.

Due process is something that takes place, as you yourself describe, within the criminal Justice system. Opinions, here and elsewhere are not part of the judicial process.