JayClay

No. I find it hypocritical to be promoting literature about how athiests can be "cured" when you don't believe it yourself. I don't know what point you're trying to make. And I don't care anymore. Thanks for all the input so far, anyway. As I said, I did learn something from it at least.

Your messaging on the topic is therefore confused and there's not much point discussing it further (after we kinda hijacked the thread in the first place.... Sorry Mr Bob)

So are you now changing your origonal claim that you need to find spirituality in order to beat alcoholism?

It's just a different form of spirituality though, isn't it? If I were an alcoholic and needed support I'd be searching out a group who promoted a belief that anybody has the power to overcome an addiction. Not a group that tells people that they are powerless to counter the problem by themselves ????.

I didn't know that. So I've learned something new today. I still believe that the enphasis the group place on spirituality is probably the reason that you've not encountered too many athiest recoveries, rather than your belief that spirituality itself is a necessity for recovery.

If you want to get/convert to an non-B visa whilst in Thailand you will need the originals. It may or may not be different if you apply for the visa from a consulate outside the country.

Which particular Australian teen on Koh Tao? I imagine there are quite a few...

Sugary products like chocolate have shelf lives of literally years. And if the problem is that they're running out of stock, how can it even be considered a shelf-life issue??

Steps 2 & 3 Source: https://www.aa.org/the-twelve-steps If you need to get to step 12 to cure yourself but can't get on board with step 2 or 3, how can you be "welcome" at AA?

Nobody said it had to be somewhere in the EU.

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Of course they did. Because finding god is pretty much a requirement of being in AA. And the group will not allow you to proclaim that you're cured unless you also claim that you've given in to a higher spirit. If you believe that the only person who determines your destiny is yourself then you, by definition, cannot be 'cured' at AA. It's like me saying "look how well I've done cutting back drinking, as now I smoke weed most nights instead of having a drink". In neither case have you cured your ailment; just replaced one dependency with another, hopefully less harmful, one.

Mars bars have been getting smaller all around the world, but they have always been significantly smaller in Thailand than I've seen anywhere else. As for why they're hard to find... I guess it's because they're popular and sell out quickly. Retail shops here don't appear to have cottoned on to the concept of doubling up orders for their bigger sellers.... they just seem to order the same amount of everything and wait for all the products in a range to get low on stock before reordering.

Do you have any stats to back that claim up? I really don't count the ramblings of a cult cofounder as a reliable source.

Assuming MFP haven't been dissolved by the next election...

Can somebody please explain the pun in this headline? It seems to have been lost on me.

Oh 4FS... Why does everything that ever happens here have to be seen in the context of how it affects the image of Thai people. I've never seen media from any other country that is so fragile about how they appear to outsiders. And this public holding of a birthday party to try and proove the contraray to the rest of the world (most of who don't even know where Thailand is, never mind have an option on the people of the country) is just as creepy, if not more so. It actually suggests that they really don't understand the problem at all.

Yea I suspected that the comment I replied to was horse carp. Congratulations on quitting, by the way.

So never has an alcoholic athiest recovered???

Hardly. Hardcore alcoholics drink from the moment they wait up. I doubt most of them make it much past 10pm, nevermind 4am!

But there is no compromise position here. It's not like he was standing on a position of abolishing the monarchy, which could then be watered down to "okay let's talk about the lesse majest rules". The reforms he campaigned on are so minor that there's nowhere to go with regards to negotiating. If it was a party in a stronger position, with a healthy backing of the senetors, then sure... compromise away. But for somebody in Pita's position, losing the support of his only ally (in the form of the voting public) is an unwise strategy that would give him the position of PM in name only. And his party would be destroyed in the next election, if not sooner.

Yes. You've made yourself perfectly clear.

It's nice to know what you find mildly acceptable. However you have, unsurprisingly, completely missed the point of the post you quoted, which was pointing out to somebody that it was the daughter who said it, not the mother.

Oh, right. That makes it okay then.

Maybe. Maybe not. He's clearly got the public on his side. How the public react if/when he doesn't get his way will determine his destiny. Compromising on this issue and losing the support of the public would most likely weaken him to the point that he would be a lame duck prime minister. It would empower the senetors to vote against every peice of legislation proposed potentially paralysing the government.