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Wife got back with Roojai, and first gal she talked to, which I posted about, gave wrong info. Price is now ~14k, though insured value did drop to 590. She was pricing as 2023 ZS. Should also note, that the 9k previous year's price, was considerably lower than all the rest at the time, which was 20-22k for coverage. Maybe they simply realized they priced it too low. Good for us, that year anyway. So now more in line with the rest, actually still 25ish % cheaper, as others still wanting 20k+/- for coverage. Also closer to insurance prices for ICEV, if I remember, the ICE ZS was 12-13k for coverage (not Roojai), the last year we had it, and insured value less. So depending on insurance carrier, prices will vary greatly. Reality now, the 2 yr old BEV is about the same price for coverage/price, as the 2yr old ICE version was. Another myth (higher insurance) busted.

You're not going to find one for 599k, as one poster tried locating. So new price is 829k, and 2 yr old insured value is 590k = ~28% depreciation over 2 yrs. Much better than our ICE version's depreciation, 695k & 400k = 42%. But it was a buyer's market, especially where we live, and we were motivated sellers. Probably could have easily got 450k for it or ~35% depreciation. I'm going by real life experiences, and numbers that are real, new price vs insured value. The 2nd hand advertised market means nothing to me. MG marketing to get you in the showroom means nothing. Obviously, this is a unique time to buy vehicles, with the BEV price wars, and may go on for quite sometimes, since basically a new, emerging well priced, 'mass produced now', technology. Depreciation is only relevant to those selling after a few years vs people (us) planning on keeping till it dies or repurposed into the solar system. Before coming to TH, I was a 'hold 'em' till they die vehicle owner. First 3 POS new cars I bought here .. well ... you get what you pay for. So very happy MG arrived as quite happy with both ZSs and price points compared other offerings. Still just a machine to get from point A to B. Though do enjoy the better performing and comfy ride over previous 3 POS, (Toyota & Mazda) we had before the ZSs. Especially when O&A, exploring locally or beyond.

Added Creatine to my 'healthier' whole food intake, over the past 2 years, after moving away from the false MSM pushed BS. Just 5gr a day, in a kefir milk/berry smoothie. Not trying to build mass, or competing, just trying to maintain the mass I have, and enough of this muscle atrophy. Maybe I'll even start remembering what I walk into the room for

I left those out, but agree, very tiresome the repetitive bashing and negativity of all things basically. Quite the miserable lot, and as the saying goes, 'misery loves company' and apparently very true. Really hard to have an intelligent discussion. Really do have better things to do. PEACE OUT Smile people ... unplug, smell the coffee, start living ...

Coming up on 2 years (Oct 30), of owning the 2022 MG ZS EV, and still Lovin' It. Can't think of any negatives for us. Really like the ZS, ICE & E versions. We seem to average 20k +/- kms a year. 2 yrs / 40k kms with ICE version, and now 2 yrs / 35.5k with the E version. (19.5k the 1st year). Been hanging around the house more this past year. Half our kms are O&A, requiring CSs & hotel stays. Half our local driving is also away from the house, exploring locally (50-125 kms, one way), no CSs or hotels needed. ~95%, or more, of home charging is done with solar. We really have not need for the grid, though connected for ฿26 a month, JIC. MG dealer, service shop has been excellent, though very little needed, aside from check ups @ 10k kms. Local dealer is also their oops / body shop, and did an excellent job with our minor oops, and Roojai insurance was excellent, start to finish. No negatives worth mentioning. BEVs fits our lifestyle & transport needs perfectly, whether car, MB or ebike. Stated many times, for us, savings (long game) was motivation to buying, and afterwards, performance was way more impressive than expected, making it an even better choice for us. Makes driving fun again. If wanting either, highly recommend owning or at least test driving a BEV, before your next vehicle purchase. With that, think I'm done with this thread, unless asked a specific question. I think everything I could think of was covered in the thread. Thanks for contributing, asking questions, and helping with my choice before owning, and along the way. HAPPY MOTORING Solar & EV info is why I joined the forum, so thanks for all the info and assistance with those. Owning E-MB for 3 yrs, BEV for 2 years, w/Solar for 2 yrs, to compliment them. Threads on each if interested. PEACE OUT

OP's point is well taken, as just opened 'new content', and 10 or 25 topics on first page are trump, harris related. Most trump bashing of course. Does make for a quick read, or a chuckle depending on the last comment. Unfortunately, I doubt if anything will change after Nov 5th. Oh well, such is forums

Do you enjoy being woke up before sunrise ? Aside from temple, always look for loud speakers on utility poles, in any area you plan on living. Never hurts to visit the area in the early morning hours, and kill some time with you morning coffee & reading, as assess the noise pollution. Add the weekend nights to that also, to see where all the youngins or old drunks are, and if plying music loud.

Common sense should kick in, and unless an emergency situation, I simply would never drive through deep water, and to me, as stated earlier, that's over the lowest rubber section of tire. Your Makro example is spot on, as happened to me while at Rangsit Future Park area. Was in one of the malls, and there was a downpour. I went out for a peek with the car, while wife & kid waited inside. Was amazed how deep it was in such a short time, and more amazed, people were driving their sedans through. More amazed, none stalled in the water. I simply went back in the mall, after a nice chuckle, and we waited about an hour or so, till rush hour and the water had subsided, to a drive through level. Actually must gone except lower curbside. This was with the ICE ZS, and if the BEV, probably would have waited a bit longer at the mall. Adds to one's choices in life, where to live & work, and how you are getting back & forth. It's TH, and flooding is a reality in many places. Also why we don't live there. OP, if hasn't already, needs to assess where he'll be driving to & parking during rainy season, before deciding on any vehicle, especially a BEV. If I lived & worked in some areas of TH, especially Krung Thep, then I'd want to be able to walk to work, or have public trans available, if & when needed. All my houses have been on high ground, and a learning lesson with first house, as town (Udon Thani) was inaccessible in 2000-2003 during heavy rains. So made sure frig/freezer was stocked up with week's worth of food. There were a couple times, when stuck in the village for a short week. The kid didn't mind a few days off school, nor myself, and not needing to do the 70 km daily commute.

I would class that as 'Marketing for the Brain Dead'. Why would anyone drive any vehicle in water above the floor level. Unless you have a snorkel exhaust system, not recommended in an ICEV. I think the MG's clearance is ~160mm ... nuff said I won't even drive a car through water enough to cover the wheel bearings. Learned that lesson as had to replace them on one of my POS cars here / TH, Vios or Mazda 2. Obviously not sealed. You get what you pay for

Global Warming ... Bit of a chill in the air today, while on the MB and this is mid October, and high noon, not Dec/Jan, early morning/early evening or overnight. All the Thais are bundled up on their scooter, and a light jacket certainly wouldn't have been amiss if I was wearing. Can't recall that feeling before, a chill, on the scooter in Oct, here at PKK. No wonder the millionaires live beachfront, as they don't believe it either, no matter what BS they spew.

You can't fix stupid " IP67 dust and water-resistant rating " Water resistant ... not 'waterproof'. I don't and won't drive our EV through deep water, or even water higher than the lowest all rubber part of the wheel, and guessing ~15 cm. From the 'owner's manual ' ... If you plan on driving in / through water, then a BEV may not be a wise choice.

Not really big on the Thai palate, and waste of milk, as the market simply isn't there. Better to turn it/milk, into a addictive sweetened product for Thais & export. So much more profitable. Would think most cheese & butter is purchased by the very few foreigners residing in TH. Don't see a lot of Thais at the dairy/cheese section of the market, contemplating which to purchase.

Neither does ICEV if water gets into engine. I know from experience after someone drive my car into a lake. Didn't last long after that. Take care of your vehicles, and they usually take care of you. Yea, and a little research goes a long way to avoiding known issues. But from AN postings, it's pretty obviously most haven't a clue when it comes to vehicles. They seem to buy and recommend some real crap products. Their bias/stupidity in choices explains a lot of their unhappy vehicle experiences. You'd think at our ages, they would have learned a bit more at this stage. ~2000 vs ~20 parts, and shouldn't take a statistician to figure those odds. Aside using a fuel that degrades every part of the vehicle it touches. Oh well

Why ... because they can, and people still buy it at inflated prices. Fine example of companies headquartered in the USA. Cereals being sold here are the silliest price. As most not imported from the USA. I stopped buying long ago. Bought Philly Cream Cheese the other day, and 20-25% more than imported products from NZ. Only because headquartered in USA, produced under SQ company, and made in MY. Should be cheaper than anything from NZ. Obviously made for CN's market, as more Chinese script on the box than any other language. Only bought it as it uses a bit more dairy in it, along with less chemicals/#'d ingredients. Not sure I'll buy again in the future, as realize I really don't eat it plain, and basically just use it for cheesecakes. I does taste marginally better by itself, although when I do eat it on a 'bread' product, rare, I usually add something else, usually a jelly preserve. Most other imported products are the ultra processed crap, that I simply don't put in my body.

My last car in the USA was a very dependable Ford Escort. OK, it was the last model year, that it was completely made by Mazda Did have an F-150 that served me well, before all the anti pollution crap was mandatory on vehicles. So easy to self maintain. On Topic (as always) .... dependability should be a simple decision when realizing an ICE has ~2000 parts, and a BEV motor has ~20 parts, and seem to run forever. You have choices ... just choose wisely

If it affects your goals, then you're not doing a very good job at moderation, and probably should quit all together. I smoked a lot more, and drank a lot more alcohol pre 50 yrs old. Didn't seem to interfere with my early retirement plans. Went from weekend warrior to monthly monthly warrior after retiring (46 yrs) old. To now hardly indulge at all at 69, even less so with alcohol. Neither drug falls into a healthy thing to do, especially if abused. Common sense should tell people alcohol is poison to the body, and people should quit or live with their choices. Both will eventually kill you, if something else doesn't sooner. No desire to rush the inevitable. Especially since most everything I do is more enjoyable than taking stimulants. That's a kid's game, been there, done that ... survived. Marketing to the weak minded, keeps people addicted to drugs. Don't know how they ignore the negative effect it has on their bodies. And yet ... they continue to kill themselves. I only smoke a doobie now because I simply have it, and do enjoy with a movie now and then. But with all the crap they put out, once a month is a stretch. I've had the ganga for about 2 yrs now, and will probably give it away or trash it soon. I don't know anyone locally that smokes it, so off to the compost pile soon.

CR airport to KL beach, if we drove, would cost all of about ฿1800 / one way. 1600 kms, 5 full charges (46.3kWh per 320 kms @ ฿8kWh) Come on ... nice road trip 😎 That would cost ฿4000 if driving the ICE version of the ZS

Never stated intent to, or planned to leave TH, after arriving Sept 2000. Commuted to work (USA) a few times, then stayed permanently Mar 2001. Returned 2X, once for couple months, help mother pass on to new dimension, and other time was for long weekend, to pick up check 😎 Any other time, was popping across the border to do 90 day turn around, (Laos & Myanmar) or a short week to Vientiane. Last time doing that was Aug 2012.

Well that sort of depends on one's relationship. Does it always have to come down to share of actually money/money put into a relationship. Best example, from my real life with present wife, she 'contributed' as much or more, if considering savings from being with her in the 'long game'. She turned 720k into 3M+, and something I couldn't do, since not allowed to ... own land. The 720k was shared input, and about equal. Our present house w/solar & EVs we presently own, cost about that much, 3M, and all paid for, from her investing savvy. So reality, she paid for it all, along with no need for future expenditures for housing, electric and transportation, as the play, savings & oops accounts grow at an amazing rate. More so as she continues to invest and more land. ... that's priceless

Reparations ... damn, that throws a wrench into my planned return to the USA. Need to decide ... ... return through Mexican border as as illegal immigrant for free sh!t ... or simply identify as an African American

So is repeating the same question when the answer was obvious from the very first reply ... ... wait for it ....

Seriously ... ... you forgot to ask for a source or a link to that info ... as stated, get out more & open your eyes. Pay attention with an unbias, preconceived mind, and you'll learn quite a bit.

You obviously need to get out more, or at least open your eyes, as @Hummin points out, 'hand' holding is catching on. I emphasize 'hand' holding, as when I first got here, I thought half the people were gay. As seen so many woman / girls, men / boys, holding each others arms while walking about and in malls. Much more physical contact than same sex friends where I grew up / USA. Couples have morphed that down to hand holding, probably due to western TV viewing. Rarer, but some even show affection in public now, though nothing like westerners.

Elevate ... why ? Do they fear those rising seas