vermin on arrival

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

which means if the amnesty is terminated, there will be a lot of people living the Tom Hanks "Terminal" movie role at Suvarnabhumi.

This happened to one poor Estonian in the PI. He is stuck there since they will only allow him to fly home on the airline on which he flew into Manila. He flew AirAsia from Bangkok and they are not flying now. Even if they did they don't fly to Estonia.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/07/man-has-trapped-philippines-airport-110-days-12955321/?fbclid=IwAR0LADAMHioAZgXbP8tM8ilnQoDJ-1EMX2bdpwH41o_LKa_B1zvPoI99wdY

39 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

You are saying take some pity on yourselves, who are living in complete bliss, and not following the same rules others are being to undertake. The sheer hypocrisy too is astonishing too - wanting some sympathy, but not willing to sympathise those yearning to get back into Thailand. Oh no, when it comes to foreigners trying to get into Thailand suddenly your sympathies vanish, and it's all 'the infection rate is too high there, it's too risky, keep them out'. 

 

Not at all I completely sympathize and think you should be allowed back in. I think the requirements to come back are over the top. I think if you should just have to do a test before and some sort of reasonable quarantine- maybe at your abode(some countries have care workers come to the house on daily basis to check on people), or some reasonably priced quarantine facility. and probably a test at the end.

Most of the rest of your rant against people under amnesty was over the top. I can't wait to get back to Taiwan where I have a flat and have work waiting, but can't incorporate from here. The last thing I wanted was to be where I am at. My life was completely blown up when I thought I had things here wrapped up for good. I've lost all my income for the year.

I hope that things get better for you. Sounds like you under a lot of pressure.

20 hours ago, sezze said:

Have you been tested ? So how do you know that you didn't get it , and spread it ? Most people who do get it have no symptoms , they are only spreaders of this disease .

The issue of whether people who are completely asymptomatic can spread it is still being debated. I was reading an article by a Swiss immunologist, and he was discussing how people can be immune to the disease, but as their t-cells are crushing the disease into strands of broken covid RNA, the nature of the PCR test for covid shows them positive for it while they are in his opinion non-infectious.

2 hours ago, RR2020 said:

 

You are free to travel to the UAE.  You are free to travel to Turkey.   Lots of places are open to tourists.  

 

Thailand is not open to tourists.  So when the visa amnesty runs out, you have to leave. But you can leave to many other countries where tourism is open.

 

You cannot blame your situation on Thailand.  If Thailand says "sorry amnesty over", you just have to leave and go somewhere for a few months.

 

Thailand has kindly allowed people to stay longer than they were supposed to as airports were closed and flights stopped.  Airports are now open, countries are opening up, tourism is open in other countries............... everyone can leave.

Ridiculous. Not going to either of those places thank you. If they decide it's time to go, I will see what happens. They will be making the decision and not you thankfully.

6 hours ago, domgaf said:

It's not always as simple as that. I'm a British citizen, but I haven't lived there for more than 16 years. Instead, I have been resident in another country for work. I have no home in the UK, so repatriation would render me homeless. My country of residence/work has not yet opened its borders to non-citizens. So, when I arrived in Thailand on a 30 day stamp in March, I had expected to leave before April. Now, I am at a loss as to what to do if the Thai immigration doesn't extend the amnesty or offer extensions that can be paid for.

Exactly, I am American waiting to get back to my residence Taiwan. Haven't really lived in US for 22 years. It would be a nightmare scenario for me to get back. My flight there on March 18 was two hours after the border closed. I can't incorporate and get processed for a Taiwanese ARC while out of the country so am waiting for some kind of opening to the country. The new loosening of restrictions there only applies to people doing corporate work with Taiwanese companies. I went to TECO to apply for a permit to enter, but they told me I have to wait. The lack of empathy by many in this forum to the real problems of many people who are not trying to take advantage of the system (I had given up my flat and was to leave Thailand permanently on March 29) is astounding. The first day I can get to Taiwan I am out of here.

1 hour ago, Patts said:

Who are these "most credible sources"? I have heard that it could be lower then 3.5% with some saying as low as 1% but just look at the Mortality rate vs confirmed cases in UK, France, Spain, Belgium, Italy, all have a higher then 10% mortality rate.

 

Before you say not everyone is tested, the same is also true of Flu, most people stay at home for a week or two and never see a doctor. There is no doubt that the mortality rate of Covid19 is many factors higher than that of seasonal flu. 

With that 10% you are going with the closed case mortality rates based on confirmed cases which are not indicative of the true mortality and grossly exaggerate the fatality rate when they were only getting the serious cases at the hospital for confirmed tests. Yes it is higher than the flu, but not nearly at the rate you are suggesting. There are some virologists and epidemiologists who do compare it to a severe season of the flu.

The numbers for mortality you are quoting are just way off the charts for what people think the ifr truly is. Search for results on ifr and you will see they are mostly below 1% and in some cases seriously below 1%. The WHOs initial findings based on confirmed cases and no asymptotic cases were seriously off on the true mortality rate.

Let's take the more moderate one from antibody testing from John Hopkins that puts it between .5% and 1%. I could post many more studies.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/28/863944333/antibody-tests-point-to-lower-death-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought

The cdc's website puts the most optimistic ifr at .2 or .26 I believe, but it thinks it is most probably at .4. Harvard University epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch thinks it is likely lying somewhere between 0.2%-1.5%. Most likely somewhere in the middle.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/05/fact-check-cdc-estimates-covid-19-death-rate-0-26/5269331002/

Would you think John Hopkins, US CDC and Harvard are credible?

*also I meant .26-1.4% in my original post and remember seasonal flu's mortality rate is .1%

16 minutes ago, Patts said:

You need to chance your username because you are no genius.

 

Flu mortality is on average 0.01% Corona virus Mortality varies depending on geographical location but on average is considered to be in the region of 3.5% (although it could be lower). Many of those who serve have long term complications including Renal failure and/or diabetes. Hardly comparable to seasonal flu!

Most credible sources are saying the ifr is much less than 3.5% cfr of confirmed cases. The ifr is in the range of .026% to 1.4% although some believe it is lower. Certainly people with serious cases can have more serious long term complications.

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And just how exactly would those researchers be able to state with certainty that the 34% of Berliners they're talking about in their sample had never been in contact with the virus?

 

BTW, that claim isn't actually being made directly by the author you quoted. It's the author you quoted taking an excerpt out of something that was published elsewhere by others.

 

Yeah so he is quoting others; this it interesting to note. Did you read the article? This guy is an immunologist with valid credentials quoting work of his peers as part of the evidence for his opinion. People asked for evidence and research on people having immunity and there is. Even though it may not be what one agrees with...

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

One might add that the visa amnesty could be extended to coincide with this.

 

Apparently there are upwards of 40,000 in Thailand benefiting from the amnesty, which means that number spending money. It may not be the usual 40 million per year, but that many people can support a decent number of Thai jobs, which is a plus. Every little bit helps. The Labor Minister and TAT head should get the PM's ear.

They have reopened Muang Thong Thani temp immigration so it certainly won't be an amnesty for those of us stranded here unable to get entry to regional countries. It would be nice if they made some sort of announcement about what the requirements will be since no reasonable system will be set up for people to travel into or out of countries with the disease under control.

7 hours ago, lockyv7 said:

almost the bottom of the list when it comes to testing per million population 

 

So is Taiwan.

On 7/4/2020 at 2:25 AM, AndrewMciver said:

 

The UK has made a huge fiasco of protecting it's elderly population. Basically old people in hospital (there for non covid reasons) were rushed back into care homes, meanwhile they probably contracted the virus from someone in the hospital. Then on top of that no restrictions were placed on those visiting people in care homes. And very few tests done on staff or on the actual people in the elderly home. Huge fiasco. 

Same for the US. Even worse in US they rushed elderly who were mostly recovered from covid back to nursing homes to clear hospital beds to end up spreading the virus and killing both workers with poor ppe and residents.

52 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

I find it hard to believe anyone who's "private jet" rich would make Thailand a priority destination after lockdown. This was traditionally a budget destination where regular people could experience a tropical country. I'd have thought the very rich would head to places like Tahiti/Bora Bora etc. That's where I'd go anyway if I were loaded.

Palau is also virus free. Many super rich actually went to to NZ at the start.

7 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

“Most likely does” isn’t quite enough...

Other diseases of this ilk give at least short term immunity. While it is possible that this novel disease may behave in a completely different manner than all other related diseases for some reason. The probability and reasonable expectation is on the side of it providing some form of immunity. If having antibodies for the disease doesn't provide immunity, than the efficacy of vaccines will also be limited, and we shouldn't be expecting much from them either. In which case, we will have to get back to life with reasonable precautions and accept out losses.

2 minutes ago, NewlyMintedThai said:

Only problem is that there is not yet any scientific consensus that the presence of antibodies conveys immunity.

Yet it most likely does, at least of a short term 1-2 year type.

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

Wow! I don’t understand. Many new cases in Korea & China. 

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/03/ff573fb4c21a-s-korea-reports-477-new-virus-cases-total-tops-4800.html?phrase=buddha&words=

That article is form March 3. The last few days China averages around 3 cases a day and Korea is in the 40-50 range. Both very manageable levels.

4 hours ago, paulikens said:

what I don't get in all this is why the thai tourism industry are not complaining about the thai government stopping them earning money and getting business up and running again. they just seemed to have swallowed it.  I think if this was happening in other countries with their governments their tourist industries would be in uproar. but the thai industry just don't seem bothered,not making hardly any noise at all.  very strange. do they hate us that much they would rather lose money and their livelihoods....surely not?

lol...it is

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

This old chestnut again? I know some people who cannot get to where they need to be. It's not about just leaving Thailand and ending up nowhere.

Exactly, I was just two hours past the deadline on March 18th for my flight to Taiwan and am still waiting on some policy from either country which might allow me to return.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

FYI, on 17 June, Singapore opened a fast-track, non-quarantine visitor channel for foreigners from Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Hong Kong, Japan, Macao, Mainland China, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam. They have also initiated a 'fast lane' for residents in China who need to make essential business or official travel between Singapore and the six fast lane regions in China (Chongqing, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Shanghai, Tianjin and Zhejiang).

That sounds like a sensible policy. There should be monitored travel between nations that have the pandemic under control. Travel should be opened up between them with sensible precautions. This idea that there should be no travel because we may have a few cases of covid is nonsense. Much more is known about the disease now and policies are in place or can be put in place to make sure that there is no large spread of the disease. All the so called second waves in China, Korea and Germany are being handled. Let's begin a rational opening up of things.