TroubleandGrumpy

My read is that the tax resident person in Thailand who receives the money, is the only person who has a potential taxation liability to Thailand. That person has to 'determine' if it is a gift or not (meets the rules) - and they must also have the necessary documents/information to later show why they determined it was not assesable (from husband, wife, etc etc), if they are ever questioned by the TRD. Example - If I was to transfer XYZ Baht from my home country bank account into my Wife's Thai bank account (single transfer or multiple), that could be a 'gift'. IMO that would especially 'qualify' as a gift/s, if I was to make 1 or more large transfers to enable her to buy a house or a car (in her name of course). If I was to regularly transfer say 50-100K per month, that could easily be 'questioned' by the TRD if that money was also being spent on myself - that is not to say it would not be viewed a sa gift, because that could be determined to be 'support'. IMO both circumstances are likely to be OK, but if she was to then transfer 50-100K to your bank account in Thailand, then that is unlikely to be accepted by TRD as a gift. However, even then, the taxation obligation would fall on the wife and not myself - although I am sure there is some 'rule or interpretation' that would allow TRD to charge me with 'conspiracy to avoid tax or tax evasion' - so I would not ever think that would be a wise thing to do - because the penalties are huge.

I hear you and your concerns are valid - the tax man winter is coming. But I do not think that there will ever be any taxes applied to the age pension - whether a recipient is in Australia or Overseas. To tax the pension for those living overseas would be political suicide, because the obvious next step is to tax those in Australia, because the total amount is over the tax free threshold. It is counted as taxable income, only for the purposes of taxing additional income earned above the pension amount, and for other Centrelink related issues. Yes I get the age pension, and I have savings in Super (fully taxed during accumulation) that is taxed at 15% growth which is AOK with me. And again, it would be political suicide to increase that 15% tax as it would affect millions. The bureaucrats and consultants only look at the 'hard' numbers when analysing any proposed change or initiative. The politician's advisers then look at things from the political impact perspective. Anything to do with 'politically active' and regularly 'complaining' pensioners with often nothing better to do, is something they know needs a very light touch and kid gloves. Many years ago the Govt (public service) did a study/report about the cost of pensioners living overseas. Even though the 'goal' was to justify big reduction in the amount paid to overseas pensioners, the conclusion of the study was that pensioners living overseas saved the Government millions, when all the costs and benefits were analysed - and that included those that return when in the late stage of life. What they did because of that was to change and add those 'non basic' payments (supplements), so that they could be denied to those living overseas.

That is why Exats cannot decide based on a community help group opinion - there are probably a few more too. What is clear though is that if you do not have to lodge a tax return, then you have no problems in that regards at this time. However, if the ATO was to start taxing pension payments for non-residents living overseas, as you suggest might happen, if they change the definition of what constitutes a non-resident for tax purposes, then we all have problems. I think that the definition will change, but I do not think that will result in ensions for Exats overseas being taxed - but fingers crossed that does not happen. But if it does, then I will change to being a tax resident in Thailand (under DTA) and stop paying income taxes in Australia. By my calculations the tax payable in Thailand, with wife etc., would be far less than the 32% in Aust.

Sometimes it is the OS and/or browser type and/or security settings ?

serious?

Go to the Sriphat Clinic which is art of the big University Hospital.

Thanks for the information - good to know. However, having looked into the issues regarding the proposed change to the tax residency rule, I dont see it as a problem for Exats living overseas on the pension. This advice from the ATO Community, although not a definitive fact, does indicate that it is not a problem. Tax on aged pension while living overseas. | ATO Community In summary that means if you do not need to lodge a tax return then it is definitely not an issue. This is the website to check if anyone wants to know if they need to lodge a tax return. It is available direct and annononymous so you can check out all the options. calculatorsandtools | Australian Taxation Office I do not recommend using MyGov to do this or any other online Govt assessment, because they will record your activity (for later use against you).

You clearly think it is OK to disagree with abuse and insults = sad athetic loser. I studied Economics at Uni in 70s when a Degree was an education - no gender studies khrapp back then.

I was quoting lefties who used the term Nazis to describe those who disagree with their views. But that was funny - you got me there.

LOL your logic thinking based on bias is astounding. Gaza voted in Hamas Germans voted in NAZIs Both were very bad decisions Isreal is as war with Gaza because of Hamas, we were at war with Germany because of the NAZIs. Same same - no sympathy for Germans and no sympathy for Gaza from many people - me included.

Like most liberal nutters they claim anyone disagreeing with them is like NAZIs, when the truth is that it is their side of the argument that is baseless proaganda and lies. More and more voters are seeing this truth it is the lefty liberals who act like NAZIs and spew out propaganda and shut down the opposition.

Well said and what is so hyocritical of those supporting palestine - they cannot understand the reality of war. WW2 was because of the NAZIs who ran Germany - not because of all Germans. In 1940s anyone protesting and claiming the Germans should not be attacked, because they are not all NAZIs, would have been arrested and jailed - and rightly so too. It is so funny when the overeducated ignorants stated that "elections have consequences" in 2020, but do not apply that same logic to the palestinians who voted out PLO and voted in Hamas in 2006. And just like the NAZIS who gave Germans no more elections after they took over, Hamas has adopted the same approach in GAZA.

More and more US voters are now realising that - and are forming the same opinion. The Dems with brains know it too and that is why they are desperate to stop Trump being relected.

The Grifter's Ad found by poster = which is what I was quoting in my post. Quote 1 = "If the money is transferred from overseas pensions, investments, roperty rent, or salary then due to the Thai Revenue Department changes to the rules for 224, it means you probably need to file a tax return". Quote 2 = "Dont stress we are here to help you with a simple stress free process" Perhaps you have not understood the first post and the response I made to it about the ad he found on a table.

There is a Thai freight forwarder in Sydney that we used years ago for lots of small stuff like that. Be Best Express (1) Facebook They will combine various customer's boxes on one pallet and then shipped to BKK. From there is is sent to each customer in Thailand. Call to discuss Boss speaks English.

Thanks - coming from you that means a lot.

There are DTAs where govt pensions are exempt and there are others where it is unclear, but as pointed out in that interview with the local TRD staff, they do not even look at DTAs and dont know anything about them. Also, the word 'pension' in the income tax section is not definitive as it refers to those being paid a 'pension' (a regular payment as a form of salary. The issue of Govt Pensions and whether they will be classified as taxable income is still unclear, and will remain that way until the day the TRD provides details and states that Govt Pensions are taxable income or not. Also the TRD will have to clarify if they are taxable, what is the rocess when they are exempted under an applicable DTA, and what if they have already been subjected to taxation in the home country. You can agree or disagree with whatever any tax consultant states, but until the TRD clarifies the Govt ensions situation in detail (like other countries have who are also imlpementing this taxation change), then it is not certain if it will be taxable income in Thailand.

too soon

Most Thais work 6 days a week - some 7 - and they attend/work long hours. Where in the west is a bank branch in a mall open to 7-8pm etc etc. There are some days all Thai workers have off (Songkran etc.), but only the public servants take every public holiday off work. What really annoys me is that the public servants who work at the Emabassies, take all the Thai days off, plus they take off the additional public holidays in the home country.

The bloke who runs this business is a grif***, and is one of those scaring Expats to use their services by stating that Govt Pensions are taxable in Thailand. Certainly investment returns after Jan 1 2024, and rental money, and salary are proabably taxable income, but Govt Pensions are another issue altogether and are still in the TRD and Thai Govt 'undecided' basket, with regards to the implementation of this new rule.

There are two tyes of Immigration Good and Bad - meaning the peole are overall good or bad for the country. Bad tends to be the illegals, but it also includes the legals who refuse to assimilate and who hold on to their home country 'issues'. Holding on to culture is OK, but holding on to the problems is not good. These young stupid students are being heavily influenced and controlled by bad immigrants. The West is beginning to realise that not all immigration is good for their country, and this one example (violent supporting of Hamas terrorists) is starting to show more than ever before, why the West needs to limit immigration from 'troubled' countries.

Advisory Notice | The Revenue Department (English Site) (rd.go.th) Section 38_64 | The Revenue Department (English Site) (rd.go.th) Year 2023 | The Revenue Department (English Site) (rd.go.th) Anyone wanting to know how things are 'technically' they need to read the above website documents. Advice from eole on this forum is OK, but if you are really concerned then you should (after reading above talk to a tax exert later this year. No one knows the details yet. When I refer to 'technical' I am referring to the rules nand regs, but as anyone here a while knows, that is not how things always work here. Example = read Section 4 of the link below and the rules and regs require Exats exiting Thailand to get a tax clearance certificate. But how it axctually works is that the rule is not enforced anymore. There are some people here that are experts in the rules, and there are some who know how things work. But no one knows what the Thai Yax Office will do under this changed rule. Section1_4 | The Revenue Department (English Site) (rd.go.th)

She knew, so she ran, so they chased her - I dont believe a word she says.

IMO for every 6 or so that he accepted their offers, he also pushed another 1-2 to do it or else they are out. It was a common thing done and it was often exploitation by both. But his demise was inevitable in the long run, because the modern rule for men is simple - if you accept 'favours' from women for your favours, there will be some that will come back and bite you later. The reality is that women are crazy (lies become the truth), and men are stupid (anything for puss....).

I think some Russian and Ukrainian 'trouble' has arrived in amongst the majority of the tourist families. Tourist families are the majority, but there are many buying properties and starting businesses, and that is not what tourists do. A large number of Ukrainians in the East had a Russian Passport before the 'invasion', and a lot more have been issued to them since the 'liberation'.