TroubleandGrumpy

Yes indeed - and so much more has been going on and is continuing to go on - it will only get worse IMO. That is why I left and moved to Thailand. I just got so sick and tired of seeing what the woke PC progressive feminazis have done to Australia. I grew up in a country that treated everyone the same (they put sheeite on everyone), and gacve everyone a 'fair go' - it was a 'good blokes country'. It started going downhil in the 80s and it massively ramped up after 2000 - it is like living in a place that is the combination of California and Venezuala - the Govt is totally interfering in everything and yet distopian at the same time. I visited Canberra some years ago (had to go back) and there was 9 speed cameras betwen the aitrport and the city - when I asked my old mates about that they just ducked their heads and said 'yeh its fu*******, but what can you do'. In so many others ways as well the people of Australia have become 'oppressed' - they are more and more 'controlled'. Calling someone a female anatomy part is no worrry, but you go to jail if you racially slur someone. An abboriginal footy player deliberately provoked the opposition supporters and one of them said something back - he was charged, fined and banned from ever attending again. Sorry - going on a bit - I get so 'grumpy' about it all - gotta let it go I guess - more time here will help. I love how 'free' Thais are - about road rules and everythign else - it is great not to drive and be constantly worrying about going 5ks over a ridiculous speed limit and copping a $300+ fine - now I see a van on the side of the road and I dont worry it is a speed camera - that took a few months because it was ingrained back there.

I will Quote what I said - "Unless the Immigration decide to............." That means IF as in THE FUTURE - meaning NOT the current rules. Stop being cognitively obtuse and seeing things how you think they are meant, rather than how they are actually meant. We are all guilty of doing that - but on this occasion it is not myself - for a change. By the way, DTAs do not work how you think. It is not a matter of saying to yourself 'I have a DTA therefore I will not lodge a tax return'. Unless specific exemptions are allowed and announced, under the current proposed rule change, any tax resident of Thailand who remits into Thailand more than 160K in 2024, is 'technjcally required to lodge a tax return. Under any DTA in place, that person can claim a 'tax credit' for taxes already paid in their home country, and/or they can claim that the money involved is not subject to income tax in Thailand. But it is up to the Thai RD to decide that - not the taxpayer. Now I am not trying to be a 'drama queen' but all you have to do is check the internet websites of any tax accountant/lawyer in Thailand - they are all publishing details of what this change means. That is why so many Thais are complaining - this change has massive implcations across a wide range of people - not just Expats - parents getting sent money by their children working overseas just for a start - Thai businesses who have invested overseas and given only 3-4 months notice of a change - and so many others. By all means do not panic - but do not tell me this change means nothing - it is massive - just look on the web - there is more every day. That is why the Thai RD are scrambling to sort it all out and publish details of the exemptions and how the implementation will be managed and when it will take affect. Very likely they will defer implemntation - maybe 'grandfather' existing business investments - who knows. If you have lived here a while you will know that 'saving face' is everything - and right now the Thai RD mangement has egg and mud and more, all over themselves.

Great - now arrest and fine all those Hamas supporters !!

I hear you mate - I will stay out of that if I may

Yes they can dewny you. But I hear you and wish you good luck. It would be wrong not to respond for you and for others reading. CLink cannot deny you the Pension - unless you clearly have no intention of living permanently in Australia. There is another thread about a bloke who went back - told them everything about his Thai family and property - was shocked when they denied him the Pension. But portability is another issue altogther - it is not a right - it is a decision that the CLink Delegate can deny if they decide you never really intended to stay in Australia. The 2 years rule was implemented as an immediate 'block' for those coming back, getting it, and leaving the next day (so to speak). But indefinite portability is something that you have to be given, and it can be withdrawn once given - legally. Years ago (2012) I had certain things planned - all based on the rules that existed at that time. I lhad previously ived worked ACT for 20 years and through that I knew many things most did not. But even then, I did not know what happened in the period from 2012 to 2015 when I was first living in Thailand. I was talking to an old mate who said 'wait - things have changed'. I was given a name in the International section of CLink. I called him and he changed my life - it was unbelievable what they had done - my plans were totally screwed by the changes they made. All the websites had \been changed - and they have been changed a lot since then too - all their old pages and rules and interpretations are permanently removed. After finding out those changes, rather than waiting until I was age eligible, I decided to go back early (plus there were a few other family issues). I was never going to be denied - I had set things up so that they could not do anythign else. My advice to you is to go back earlier than you need to and stay a little longer before coming back. Meahwile go visit another country or two before you go back. Do things liker that and say things (to everyone) that makes it clear you are going back and intend staying forever. Yes get a job and start a new life - make it look very very clear that you are staying. Then when something happens and you 'need' to go back overseas (find a reason), then and only then, ask what happens depending on how long you stay etc etc etc. Slowly slowly catchy monkey mate. The nazi feminists in CLink want to stop all older blokes having fun overseas - and the Govt wants to change rules so they have to pay out less. Not impossible that the Govt will make more changes betwen now and then - all aimed at reducing taxpayer's bills of course - all driven by the ideas and plans of the feminazis.

One of 'those' eh. Selective and Cognisant reading of what is written - I refer you to Sheryl's word 'currently'. Up to you though - but dont tell everyone that is is all fine. What does Immigration have to do with Banking? Health?

Fluff and Bubble - woke progressive BS.

How many million people did not march? Clearly the vast majority do not support Hamas. You have no evidence to support otherwise.

Unless the Immigration decide to make it a requiremrnt for an annual extension to have filed a tax return. The minimum amount needed to get an extension, is well over the 150K tax free threshold in Thailand.

Good thinking - and as long as you have enough money being remitted into Thailand which is not taxable income. It looks like a private pension will be - but I think those funds will be one of the many that the Thai RD will provide clarification on. IMO private pensions will be excluded - depending on the total value of that private pension.

There are 'technically' no 'Immigrant' Visas in Thailand - they dont have any (unlike Australia and the rest of the first world). All Expats (long termers) have a 'non-immigrant' Visa - which is technically a long term Tourist Visa - one with added conditions. That is why 90 day reporting exists - the legal maximum period for a Tourist Visa in Thailand is 90 days. Likewise, that is why you cannot get another 'Visa' in Thailand - you can only get a 12 month 'extension' of permission to stay (as a Tourist). That is all 'legal and technical' I know - but that is what my 'argument' (if required) to ATO would be - yes I have legal training and experience. All Super Funds pay 15% tax on their 'earnings' across all their accounts that are in 'accumulation' phase (not individually, only at the total level). Anyone that decides to convert their accumulation account to a 'retirement account' (once over age minimum), means that their account is placed into a 'pool' where the earnings are not taxed. BUT - it also means that any money paid out (lump or regular) is classified by both ATO and Centrelink as 'income'. WHEREAS, someone that keeps their account in 'accumulation phase' does not have any withdrawals counted by ATO or CLink as income. And here is the 'kicker' - once you convert to 'retirement' you cannot put it back as 'accumulation' - A BIG GOTCHA. I have always taken the view that when the Govt and/or Industry are pushing for people to change/add something, and talking about all the benefits in doing so - look into the details and find what they are not talking about. My Super Account will remain in the "accumulation' phase for as long as possible - which at the moment is til age 75 - but there are exemptions (which will change - but I will be across them).

Not the majority - only ther loud idiot protestors - mostly woke proghressive young fools. The majority agree with what Israel is doing and support their actions - they just dont march and protest about it.

IMO you are out of order and wrong - perhaps you are just trolling? Israel is NOT killing civilians deliberately - Hamas are hiding behind/under them. Hamas has placed its HQ and the hub of its underground tunnels - UNDER the largest Hospital in Gaza. And from day one they have been releasing PR lies about Israel bombing Hospitals - including one they bombed themselves. Because they want to protect themselves - they do not care about the civilians in Gaza - they want their blood/deaths. They are evil scum and Israel is rightly going to eradicate them from the face of the Earth - permanently. If they surrended today and agreed to face the ICC - Israel would immediately cease fire and hand them over.

1. No one knows for sure, but up to you if you want to plan ahead. 2. Unless Immigration make lodging a tax return a requirement to extend your Visa/Permission - then NO - Wait. All will be revealed - soon - one day - next year - maybe.

I can see that - but why not do it yourself? A quick simple search would give the answer - as shown by all those replies to your 'demand'. Certainly if a google search did not give you that - and/or it stated something else completely - then by all means 'push back'. Do try to be civil.

They can be - see my post - but it aint a definitive situation.

Yes Indeed - that definitely applies to many older blokes. Now kh.heiniken is a psychologist as well as an economist and more... But I still have him on ignore. Up to you mate. He is a bit 'direct' but I can handle that - no problems at all.

Not sure I agree with you on those ones. That 'community answer' is very generic - the guy did not really give a detailed explanation - and it is only an opinion. Checking this out has been very 'interesting'. PSS Pension taxation for non-resident | ATO Community There is no 'definitive' answer provided by either ATO or CLink about if your Age Pension is taxed by ATO if you are living overseas AND it is the only income that you receive. It is technically 'taxable' in that it is counted so that any other income you receive (if any) is taxed at the right rate. Whilst the Pension is included in taxable income, it is generally deemed to not be a taxable payment. However as you have said that may depend on whether that person is a tax resident - that might affect their pension payments being taxed - nothiong is clear. I am not aware that the ATO taxes the age pension payments of a non-resident - therefore I always thought they were exempt. What you are saying is that if you are a non-resident for tax purposes, then ATO will tax your age pension payments and I still doubt that very much. However, we will see what happens. Perhaps a 'soltuion' is top remain as a tax resdient while living overseas. There is an online test that the ATO provides to determine if and how you can be a tax resident, plus there is a very long detailed ruling. Questions | Determination of residency status – leaving Australia (ato.gov.au) Work out your residency status for tax purposes | Australian Taxation Office (ato.gov.au) Tax Time · Residency for tax purposes (ato.gov.au) The number 1 issue is 'do you intend to return to Australia (say Yes). The number 2 issue is 'will you be residing in the same place for more than 2 years' (say No) The number 3 issue is 'will you be purchasing a property (to live in) overseas' (say No). That seems to result in you being a tax resident - if you dont stay at the one place for 2+ years, dont own a place, and do intend to return. One of the 'tests' is called 'domicile' - where you legally and technically consider that you live. Unlike CLink whose definition is deliberately taregetted to exclude ability to get a payment, the ATO test is far more 'technical'. Your tax residency | Australian Taxation Office (ato.gov.au) IMO as long as I dont stay/rent anywhere for more than 2 years - then I am a tax resident. This is further 'proven' by the fact that I only have a Tourist Visa - report every 90 days and apply every 12 months for another. Likewise, I have Super Account in Australia that pays taxes to the ATO on pfoits made during the year (15% Net). Plus banking and other financial ties and an official residence and address - a friends house. However, it does appear that around about 5 years, it becomes extremely difficult to pass the 'test'.

Try Google - I am sure you can find it too.

Yes Indeed - that definitely applies to many older blokes.

I am talking about posters who personally abused me and others who said it was 'real' - aholes and nutters. It was not that they held a different view - many posters did that, but they were not blocked - these few I blocked were abusive trolls (aholes and nutters).

We used to live in Chiang Mai and as anyone who has been there knows, these types of accidents are always happenning - Minibuse drivers are nutters - many of them high on Yaba and Red Bull type concoctions. But if you want to see and experience the worst of it in Thailand - drive the highway between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai - I was genuinely scared - it was unbelievable - get out of their way quickly or you die. Not just the minivans - it was trucks and utes too. Did it once and only once - never again. We drove a lot in Thailand - West to East and North to South - nothing compares with that road - I was told it was bad - but I had no idea. There are more deaths in the Chiang Mai Province than Bangkok - that and the smoke is why we will never return.

Lets not get political - the 'real enemy' is not the politicians of either side. I was hoping people would see that after Covid, but yet again 'they' have evaded accountability and blame. 'They' are the people who worldwide never lost their job, nor even a day's pay, during the Covid disaster. And yet they are the ones that caused most of the problems. The main problem is the huge amount of pensioners living overseas - most of whom started doing that in the 70s and 80s. They did it before Aust realised what was going on, and before the rules were made about portability and qualification etc. Over 100,000 immigrants who came to Australia in the decade after WW2 (like myself as a kid) worked in Aust for 15-20+ years and then when they got the pension (at 60) they returned to their villages back home (why not) - and many are still getting the pension. The largest number of pensioners overseas are Italians, then Greeks, then Kiwis. It became a thing to do - Kiwis are still doing it - they would come to Aust and work - then go back to the village when they get the pension - many still get it - the number of Aust pensioners living in SEAsia is small compared to those numbers. Australia has been clamping down since 1990s - but it was too late - they now have to wait until they pass away because (unless they come back) they are entitled to receive what they got back when the rules were the way they were (cannot do a retrospective change). And because of the large number of 'dead ones' still getting the pension money, they started introducing rules such as proof of life. Massive failure by ignorant politicians and 'those' is causing this potential disaster for us now.

As you said George, what should happen, is that the members block those 'regulars' they end up 'arguing' with. We are all guilty of 'firing back' - but that is what they want - they thrive on it and need it (they are not well) - next thing you know you are responding to their taunts and their antagonistic drivel - muh guilty as charged. I have solved the problem for myself - I have just blocked all those who seem to argue with everyone - noting that some of them never argue with each other - same person? certainly same type of person. My earlier point, and that of others about also blocking them from seeing your posts should be implemented. I dont want to see their posts and I dont want them seeing mine - that is the ideal fix.

Yes mate - myself and several others were attacked as being just that back in September when this first surfaced - we were accused of being scaremongers and doomsayers. Idiotic commenst like 'it will never happen' and 'what a load of khrapp' were numerous and that was fine - but they also attacked the messengers. We all said things like 'well just ignore us and go away then' - but given they are just so negative and 'ugly' they just kept attacking (until blocked). Now we are in November and mutliple media stories have been saying that this is real and it is going tpo hgappen and they should postpone this etc etc etc. Unblocked the aholes and looked - but not one word saying anything like 'maybe you guys were right' or 'ooops I got that wrong'. The only way to deal with those people, who are the Expat nutters we avoid in public, is to ignore them (walk away).