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Are we there yet ?

Good straight shooting. Stay out of other peoples country's.

"The Post reports the sisters were spotted at various night spots on Phi Phi island alongside Tinto and another unidentified Portuguese national."

If the BiB have yet to locate Tinto, and his companion has not been identified, how do they know he is Portuguese?

One of them stayed at the same hotel so they would have a copy of his passport I guess.

So not 'unidentified'!

I see it as 1 identified and one not identified. But who knows. The information coming out is as 'clear as mud'.

Good idea. How do they plan to do it ? They would have to look into investigating alot of the BIB and other local government officials.

I don't think that the police may have the Portugese men in their sights as possible suspects but merely want to talk to them to find out the movements and habits of the girls leading up to their unfortunate death. I am actually encourage by this development and feel the BIB are on the job with this one [ please don't burn me hard on this statement guys].It was hard to say believe me. And I also don't believe for a minute that the BIB are actually trying to blame Ibprofen for their deaths either.

First off, if the police were just looking to talk to them why would there be headlines that say "police hunt for..." How would you feel if the police were "hunting" for you in Thailand? Besides, if they knew the score here, or talked to someone who did they would know that there is a good possibliity that the police might try to pin this on them, at the very least its going to be a nightmare situation for them to deal with.

Second, of course they don't believe ibuprofen caused their deaths, they're just hoping the uneducated masses assume they did from their strategically placed innapropriate comment.

I would love to have even a grain of faith in the authorities here, but experience tells me otherwise.

"First off ". I am not going to give you a lesson on the propaganda type language media agency's use in headlines to attract a reader by first glance. As you are obviously not including yourself in the " uneducated masses ".

"Second ". Of course . Only if you say so.

"The Post reports the sisters were spotted at various night spots on Phi Phi island alongside Tinto and another unidentified Portuguese national."

If the BiB have yet to locate Tinto, and his companion has not been identified, how do they know he is Portuguese?

One of them stayed at the same hotel so they would have a copy of his passport I guess.

It is a failure because as I put it before, Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident ?

It is easily possible to have a motorbike accident without the scrapes and bruises over the whole body. It can be very localised, like face and skull, see examples given here by others. I don't know what exactly happened, but the presumption 'no roadrash so no accident so a beatup' is ludicrous.

Yes. I see that some posters are of the same opinion as yourself. And I guess anything is possible. But to add weight to mine and many others point of view is right there in the OP. Even the doctors that treated him believe that the injuries are not from a motorbike accident. I did read another particularly interesting post / observation by another member about the markings on his neck. As if he had been head locked or his shirt and been ripped up around his neck.

First of all, I never said he was beaten or had an accident, all I said was that the reasoning 'no roadrash so no accident' is ludicrous.

Secondly, in the original report it clearly stated that the staff at the hospital was of the opinion that it was an accident. So where you got the idea the doctors said something different I don't know.

From the OP "While Thai police maintain the 21-year-old crashed his motorcycle into a pole near Soi Saiyuan in Naiham, his family, friends and doctors all believe Mr Ketley was bashed, an episode in an explosion of violence against tourists on Phuket".

It is a failure because as I put it before, Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident ?

It is easily possible to have a motorbike accident without the scrapes and bruises over the whole body. It can be very localised, like face and skull, see examples given here by others. I don't know what exactly happened, but the presumption 'no roadrash so no accident so a beatup' is ludicrous.

Yes. I see that some posters are of the same opinion as yourself. And I guess anything is possible. But to add weight to mine and many others point of view is right there in the OP. Even the doctors that treated him believe that the injuries are not from a motorbike accident. I did read another particularly interesting post / observation by another member about the markings on his neck. As if he had been head locked or his shirt and been ripped up around his neck.

Er, what?

"The people at the hospital and the police are saying the injuries are more consistent with running into a pole than being attacked," he said.

From the OP and a source linked. Maybe time to get the reading glasses on?

No one can diagnose what happened to this man from a photo on a forum. It'd be curlish to do so. I doubt even one of us is qualified and you'd need to see him in person to really know.

Just show the bike already. Formerly working in claims I could give a qualified opinion on that.

Put your own reading glasses on and read this from the OP .

While Thai police maintain the 21-year-old crashed his motorcycle into a pole near Soi Saiyuan in Naiham, his family, friends and doctors all believe Mr Ketley was bashed, an episode in an explosion of violence against tourists on Phuket.

I would give more weight to the doctors that the BIB. But that is just me.

Post #335 by catweazle

"Talking about declining... Is anyone out there with me when I say (please note that I am not a big Thaksin fan, but...) that Thailand is on a slow, permanent decline as a whole since Thaksin was ousted?"

Thailand has not been colonized by outsiders but internally the rich upperclass and their bureaucrats have colonized the working class. Since Taksin the working class has become more vocal and daring. The power of the upperclass is declining and a transition period has set in.

Thakisn has been back in power since his sister was elected Prime Minister in the General election last year. And as you say. The place is still declining.

It is a failure because as I put it before, Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident ?

It is easily possible to have a motorbike accident without the scrapes and bruises over the whole body. It can be very localised, like face and skull, see examples given here by others. I don't know what exactly happened, but the presumption 'no roadrash so no accident so a beatup' is ludicrous.

Yes. I see that some posters are of the same opinion as yourself. And I guess anything is possible. But to add weight to mine and many others point of view is right there in the OP. Even the doctors that treated him believe that the injuries are not from a motorbike accident. I did read another particularly interesting post / observation by another member about the markings on his neck. As if he had been head locked or his shirt and been ripped up around his neck.

it depends upon which news source you are getting this story from, as his parents claim he was left for dead, while the police believe he had a motorbike accident. the supposed place he was assaulted is well-lit and busy - there's a club, a few restaurants and a row of girlie bars. i believe if he was bashed about and left for dead, someone would've seen it.

i hate to say this, and people can pick this apart all that they want, but it's been over-emphasized that he is a prize winning muay thai fighter. motorbike accident turned to publicity stunt? i wouldn't put it past any muay thai fighter that comes here ...

Wake up to yourself. Have a look at the picture of him in his hostpital bed. Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident. All the trauma is in and around his head. The prime target for any bashing. Your post is a failure.

It's a failure because???? i wasn't discrediting anything, just stating what i had read. you "wake up to yourself" and do spell check to make sure you grammar is correct.

Oh dear the English Nazi's have just woken up !!!

Yes miss...he will write his spelling mistakes out 100 times....

it depends upon which news source you are getting this story from, as his parents claim he was left for dead, while the police believe he had a motorbike accident. the supposed place he was assaulted is well-lit and busy - there's a club, a few restaurants and a row of girlie bars. i believe if he was bashed about and left for dead, someone would've seen it.

i hate to say this, and people can pick this apart all that they want, but it's been over-emphasized that he is a prize winning muay thai fighter. motorbike accident turned to publicity stunt? i wouldn't put it past any muay thai fighter that comes here ...

Wake up to yourself. Have a look at the picture of him in his hostpital bed. Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident. All the trauma is in and around his head. The prime target for any bashing. Your post is a failure.

It's a failure because???? i wasn't discrediting anything, just stating what i had read. you "wake up to yourself" and do spell check to make sure you grammar is correct.

Bahaha! Good come back. The spell check thing I mean. The come back one uses when one has no comeback. Don't forget that English is not everybody's first language.

Now I wish to bring your attention to you posting " i hate to say this, and people can pick this apart all that they want " So i took the liberty to do so.

It is a failure because as I put it before, Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident ?

Furthermore, reference your ridiculous statement that it maybe a publicity stunt. PLEASE!! Does this poor guy look like he is in any state to try or even think of making a publicity stunt out of this incident considering his injuries. Once again. Fail.

Anybody got a copy they can spare ?

it depends upon which news source you are getting this story from, as his parents claim he was left for dead, while the police believe he had a motorbike accident. the supposed place he was assaulted is well-lit and busy - there's a club, a few restaurants and a row of girlie bars. i believe if he was bashed about and left for dead, someone would've seen it.

i hate to say this, and people can pick this apart all that they want, but it's been over-emphasized that he is a prize winning muay thai fighter. motorbike accident turned to publicity stunt? i wouldn't put it past any muay thai fighter that comes here ...

Wake up to yourself. Have a look at the picture of him in his hostpital bed. Do you see scrapes and abrasions all over his body that would be consistant with a motorbike accident. All the trauma is in and around his head. The prime target for any bashing. Your post is a failure.

its time to stop the corny remarks about the police force .... its no longer a joke .....i cannot understand why a country such as australia does not slap a travel ban on this place immediately ...the phuket police are nothing but tea money collectors , they see tourists purely as a source of income .... until corruption is dealt with we will live in a lawless society ... so time to bail , tell your friends , colleagues , business associates stay away ....go to Myanamar ....

Can a country ban you from visiting another? Sounds a bit daft. The governments job is to give advise based on accurate information, surely? For sure issue warning etc, but a ban?

It is my understanding that if a government does issue a warning " do not travel " to a country or particular part of a country ie: The Australian governmentt warning on travel to the 3 southern provinces of Thailand, you can of course still travel but any travel insurance you might have is then void.

This is getting out of hand. Who in their right mind would do such a thing in the process of comitting a petty crime such as a bag snatch ? Messed up druggies ? They should be taken out the back and ....

Further to the BIB incompetence issue is this incident which also occured last night in Phuket where an Australian alledges he was beaten to within an inch of his life and left for dead. Only for the BIB to call it a motorbike accident. This gets on my nerves as I was personally involved in a similar incident many years ago when a young lad was clearly beaten savagely only to have the BIB say it was a motorbike accident. He didn't even own or rent a bike.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8487202/australian-man-beaten-left-for-dead-in-phuket

Thailand is home to a whole swag of call center scams like this. They are scum and prey on the gullible. Hope they catch a few more of these thugs.

How can a fugitive launch such action ?

Please read my post (#251) in the previous thread about this tragedy. It may not be the answer

but I believe it may answer some questions. Cover up...let's not be too hasty eh people.

R. I. P. ladies. Condolences to the family.

It's a shame the old thread was closed. This latest article should have just been added to it, rather than become the basis for the new and sole thread on this tragic affair.

I hope this doesn't get me banned or shut out but here is my original post on the original thread

about this tragedy along with Yunla's post that got me going....apologies to whoever or whatever

is needed I give....My original post is below...

View PostYunla, on Today, 07:47 , said:

RIP.

Drinking pesticide is supposedly the most common suicide in poor rural areas of China and possibly Thailand. There was an article a few years ago in Thailand about increasing numbers of young poor people drinking Polydol here to commit suicide.

Thailand has an extremely casual disregard for neurotoxic pesticide chemicals, they are cheap to buy, easy to obtain, and the regulations are never enforced. Many pesticides available in Thailand and handled by teenagers here, are banned in the west. Symptoms of these legal farming and home-control toxins do fit the girls' death symptoms, if they were poisoned by administering of neat pesticide.

Even walking through a cloud of powerful neurotoxic spray by accident will give you many symptoms including nausea, skin lesions including gums, breathing difficulties etc.etc. and of course lung cancer eventually. Drinking it will be far stronger effect and instant. Obviously murder by poisoning happens in every country on Earth, is used by aristocrats and royalty worldwide through the ages, and so is not a Thai problem. I think the availability and use of pesticides in Thailand needed regulation and enforcement several decades ago and more so now.

Logically if teenagers here commit suicide by drinking pesticide, then theres no reason for killers to not use it in their crimes too. Addressing the root problems of poverty in society and regulating the availability of these poisons will certainly improve the situation in my view.

Previous by Yunla.

Below by Me...Sunshine51.

Warfarin...rat poison...is also used in hospitals as an anticoagulant to prevent various forms

of thrombosis. Just Google Warfarin and look at the Wiki page.

Many types of highly lethal (to humans) pesticides are easily obtained here in Thailand; even

at your common "hardware store" with zero regulations set forth for purchase...ie...ID card

particulars recorded etc. Examples...Paraquat...banned world wide plus Endosulfan also

banned worldwide are easily obtainable in LOS....by anybody.

Arsenic poisoning is cumulative in humans and animals. Meaning that if the dose was high

enough to kill a human (set by body weight), the human would easily detect a strange metallic

taste in their mouth and most likely spit out what they had in said mouth. This holds true even

in spicy foods such as Somtam. The best laid arsenic poisonings occur over long periods of time

...many months....so the taste will be virtually undetected. That's why it is so crucial water tables

do not get polluted by various mineral mines...such as a local gold mine where arsenic is used to

"float" the gold.

Strychnine poisoning produces horrific convulsions prior to death and also leads to blue nails

and gum bleeds. It's easy to get in LOS too for rat & other vermin control although better stuff

is available.

Cyanide (sodium or potassium) is also fairly easy to get if one knows a "brand name" and these

are used for pest control also.

I'm not going to list a bunch more lethal substances in this post about these two departed girls as

it serves no purpose. However what we appear to have is an "easy way out" syndrom here in LOS

that is begat by lack of knowledge and money. In other words one kills mosquitoes by going to the

store and buying their favourite mossie spray. The same applies for killing rats, cats and other vermin.

Think about this...when was the last time you ever saw a Rent-O-Kill or other "pest control" agency

truck pull into a hotel's parking lot, shopping mall, mates home etc. Here in LOS it's easier to get your

local lad with the know how to head to the hardware store and buy what's needed to kill the lil beasties.

What that local lad buddy may not know is that in many cases somebody with the "knowledge" of how

to clean up not only the dead beasties but the poisons remaining after the spray or placement and

beasties killed is lacking in his or her mind set. Then again some local lads will do their best to try and

tell you you must be very careful when you do clean your place yourself!

This incident is tragic and will undoubtedly be another negative factor on the tourist industry for LOS.

To help solve the problem, poverty eradication will be of great value and along with that the issuance

of proper licenses for poisons handlers of all kinds along with proper training. Not to mention proper

poison control to get the stuff outta hardware stores and everybody's hands.

I'm not a chemist, I'm not a doctor, I'm just a farang who has lived in this part of the world for over 40

years who knows a few things about a few things and is not shy to learn new things.

SS51

If you are suggesting that the girls comitted suicide by consuming poison then one would think there would be evidence; empty containers etc etc in the room. Fail!

Just one more piece of evidence to support Darwin's theory on evolution.

Why doesn't he 'SEEK' to do his time in jail before sticking his nose into Thai politics. Clown.

I thought that we knew that there would be no flood crisis this year. I mean Yingluck promised us.

She is using an old Jedi mind trick which Obe Won would be proud of.

Music to my ears. Love it !!! Suck it up big boy!!! ' Mr Destroy an entire country for my own benefit'.

And we can see clearly there are people who aren't interested in reconciliation when it comes to the joker.