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Must disagree about skimming drums alters pedal travel. Shoe adjustment is mechanical inside the drum. Brake pedal is hydraulic which finishes at the wheel cylinders. Of course if you over machine drums too much the risk of piston ''pop out'' is there but the hydraulics will always take up the slack between the piston and and shoe tang to leave a firm pedal.

There's a shock, you disagree ? Surely not ! What I said is true, disagree or not it's up to you..

You're right the hydraulics do cover it and how do they take up the slack? By requiring more brake fluid by depressing the brake peddle harder due to the shoe having to travel further it requires more peddle to move the required fluid necessary to fully apply the brakes. Yes initially the brakes will be harder as they've been manually adjusted but in a far shorter period then new brakes and drums the adjustment will be out and the peddle will be softer significantly sooner.

The tolerances are tight so not much room for material loss due to turning and besides I mentioned several other reasons to avoid turning drums so why argue one minor point as if they don't all apply as a group?

Oh forgot you're T/A and it isn't "skimming" it's "turning" or "machining" as Spoonman said.. You see, in road racing we actually have to use our brakes at every corner several times per lap for multiple laps and even up to 24 hours unlike straight line racing which uses them one time and then the car gets gone over completely for the next run in an hour or so, we also don't have parachutes nor 1/8th mile run off areas .

Sorry chum you are wrong, please read my explanation again. When new/stock, the drum will perhaps be 11 inch inside diameter, shoes will have perhaps 90% contact area. Machine drum, then contact area will be perhaps 70% with shoe UNTIL shoe wears down to FIT drum. Hydraulics WILL take up the slack and have NO impact on pedal pressure. Drum/shoe adjustment has been automatic since the 70's, MECHANICAL, The pedal is hydraulic. THATS WHY YOU TOP THE FLUID UP WITH PAD AND SHOE WEAR.

Well, good luck with that then..

No luck involved, just knowledge.

should she not be alive ?

should she not be allowed to have a Dad around for her 21st birthday ??

So if a young dad gets run over by a bus then his offspring must commit suicide cos their life too has ended. Naaaaaaaaaah, life is individual, we all go different ways, with mum, dad or neither. I DID.

There is such as thing as statistics. Chances that a young dad gets run over by a bus are not in the same league as someone dying at 70 or over.

Do statistics really matter ? The scenario is still the same, life goes on, there is no full stop.

I understand his meaning in terms of being machined, turning is the proper term where drums are concerned but of course it doesn't apply to disks and pads..

But it isn't required with new drums and if I was replacing the shoes I'd also replace the drums is what I'm saying, turning them also increases the brake peddle travel even with adjustment and won't give you full life on the new shoes as eventually the brake peddle will be too low and require replacing in a shorter time frame again this time with new drums..

His not mentioning anything about disks and pads makes it sound like he has drums all around or doesn't understand that modern cars no longer have front drums.

Must disagree about skimming drums alters pedal travel. Shoe adjustment is mechanical inside the drum. Brake pedal is hydraulic which finishes at the wheel cylinders. Of course if you over machine drums too much the risk of piston ''pop out'' is there but the hydraulics will always take up the slack between the piston and and shoe tang to leave a firm pedal.

There's a shock, you disagree ? Surely not ! What I said is true, disagree or not it's up to you..

You're right the hydraulics do cover it and how do they take up the slack? By requiring more brake fluid by depressing the brake peddle harder due to the shoe having to travel further it requires more peddle to move the required fluid necessary to fully apply the brakes. Yes initially the brakes will be harder as they've been manually adjusted but in a far shorter period then new brakes and drums the adjustment will be out and the peddle will be softer significantly sooner.

The tolerances are tight so not much room for material loss due to turning and besides I mentioned several other reasons to avoid turning drums so why argue one minor point as if they don't all apply as a group?

Oh forgot you're T/A and it isn't "skimming" it's "turning" or "machining" as Spoonman said.. You see, in road racing we actually have to use our brakes at every corner several times per lap for multiple laps and even up to 24 hours unlike straight line racing which uses them one time and then the car gets gone over completely for the next run in an hour or so, we also don't have parachutes nor 1/8th mile run off areas .

Sorry chum you are wrong, please read my explanation again. When new/stock, the drum will perhaps be 11 inch inside diameter, shoes will have perhaps 90% contact area. Machine drum, then contact area will be perhaps 70% with shoe UNTIL shoe wears down to FIT drum. Hydraulics WILL take up the slack and have NO impact on pedal pressure. Drum/shoe adjustment has been automatic since the 70's, MECHANICAL, The pedal is hydraulic. THATS WHY YOU TOP THE FLUID UP WITH PAD AND SHOE WEAR.

Nissan Navara has 5 speed auto, but it has some problem with clutch & flywheel, so I think that applies to the manual version, but I think Vigo is still the best looking and easiest to sell of them all.

I went down to the showroom yesterday and was told that VSC only available to the model 4x4, and now they are taking orders for the slightly remodeled vigo, which will be here in November. I asked whether there would be a 5 speed auto but they knew nothing about it too. Let's hope there will be.

With the low down torque of the Vigo,don't worry about a five speed, four speed bullet proof.

its happened a few times and no joke has nearly got me into a bit of bother with the good lady wife, mrs tigerfish.

believe it or not, opening a post and looking at the wrong picture at the wrong moment in time Mr Forbes.

Ditto.

Plenty....and not the same....if a 25yo guy has a child....good chance he will live a full long life.

If a 60yo has a child....dam_n fine chance he will croak from natural causes before the kid hits 21.

I also had no dad around much.....but I can tell you from my sons perspective.....much better if Dad is around....simple as that.

Sure you get on with whatever gets dished up.....but I said it would be better to have both parents, not just one....thats all and being 60yo lessens the chances and percentage of that happening a lot......i reckon anyway.

Imagine having a kid at 70yo....and still being alive at their 21st....and your daughters friends all asking where Dad is and she points to the 90yo guy sitting at the table with a bib and dribbling his puddin down his nice checkered dressing gown.

If a child has both parents alive do you think he/she will know what it is like to not have them? Do you think a child with no parents will know what it is like to have them?

I had/have very loving parents but I didn't want them around when i was a teenager and also later in life. They didn't go to any big moments in my life, I didn't invite them. I have no idea what it would have been like to have had them there, so naturally I have no idea what I missed.

I don't think a child/teenager etc will reallymiss what it doesn't have, they just get on with life.

Absolutely, and in the LOS scenario '' hopefully '' the older guy will leave some cash to give the kid a real start in life.

How many Thai kids have been abandoned by Thai fathers ?. UNCOUNTABLE.

should she not be alive ?

should she not be allowed to have a Dad around for her 21st birthday ??

So if a young dad gets run over by a bus then his offspring must commit suicide cos their life too has ended. Naaaaaaaaaah, life is individual, we all go different ways, with mum, dad or neither. I DID.

chances and percentages....see if you can work it out....best a luck

But they are the same, l grew up without a dad through their divorce. Just mum . Loooooooads of scenarios about growing up without 2 parents BUT life goes on.

How many kids grew up in UK, Germany or USA after WW1 or2 without a dad ?

should she not be alive ?

should she not be allowed to have a Dad around for her 21st birthday ??

So if a young dad gets run over by a bus then his offspring must commit suicide cos their life too has ended. Naaaaaaaaaah, life is individual, we all go different ways, with mum, dad or neither. I DID.

I know a really great guy that is 69 years old and has a daughter of 1 year old.

He knows he probably won't be around for her graduation, but she'll certainly have the means available in her life to graduate from a decent education.

He's a really nice guy with a wife 35 years younger than himself, he wants to leave her with a part of him when hes gone, I know them very well and their daughter is a little cracker, should she not be alive ?

Keeping towards the positive.....he'll probably live to be one hundred and five

+1

Sorry to read about your loss, life has it's twists and turns like chapters of a book. Not near you but l wish the very best for the next chapter in your life. Take care, T/A

I just had an oil change and brake fluid change and turned the drums and replaced the brake pads. It took them a couple of hours, cost 5000 baht including labor. Other than my emergency brake being hard to pull and only having one click to set the job seems OK. I'll let you know after I drive it a while. I am close to Rayong.

Turned the drums ?? That's an oldie innit ?? Unless of course you mean the rears...But I wouldn't turn drums I'd replace them, so cheap here no reason not to and because they're so cheap they really can't stand to be turned much as then they'll over heat and flex....

Turned as in machined maybe, It should always be done when new shoes are fitted.

I understand his meaning in terms of being machined, turning is the proper term where drums are concerned but of course it doesn't apply to disks and pads..

But it isn't required with new drums and if I was replacing the shoes I'd also replace the drums is what I'm saying, turning them also increases the brake peddle travel even with adjustment and won't give you full life on the new shoes as eventually the brake peddle will be too low and require replacing in a shorter time frame again this time with new drums..

His not mentioning anything about disks and pads makes it sound like he has drums all around or doesn't understand that modern cars no longer have front drums.

Must disagree about skimming drums alters pedal travel. Shoe adjustment is mechanical inside the drum. Brake pedal is hydraulic which finishes at the wheel cylinders. Of course if you over machine drums too much the risk of piston ''pop out'' is there but the hydraulics will always take up the slack between the piston and and shoe tang to leave a firm pedal.

Thank's for the reply's guy's. My lump now kick's out about 230bhp so do expect smoke if I give it some real welly. But dont do that that often no need. On the run I did noticed it about 110kph top gear foot down a little well more than a little and there it was the black stuff but only with V power. Will play about and report later. Once again many thank's for the reply's.

As Kata says, it could also be V-power clearing all the sulphur crap out of the exhaust etc.

On the contrary. Most long trips I drive my white 2010 Vigo with open hatch, as I have one or two Ninja650R in the bed. Shell V-Power hatch isnt to badly smoked, any other diesel its grey of soot.

I havent dared to say this, but for a while I didnt bother to use V-Power, and noticed a 10 % increase in fuel consumption. Went back to V-Power. No change for 2 tanks. Then consumption reduced with 10% again. For 5-6 tanks now. My driving style is always the same, 140 kmh on Highways loaded, 160kmh light loaded.

So simple calculation, V-Power costing 4 baht more pr liter, actually costs me nothing, and provides cleaner exhaust and a smoother running cleaner engine

Same here, no smoke with V-power, definitely goes further, more go and is smoother.

Got my pal to try it in his Isuzu and he is no mechanic but says his ride has more go .

OP, perhaps your chip is the problem, adjustment might be in order, just a thought.

Tip 2: Keep it in the fridge; Tip 3: Apply it warm, to warm seats, or it isn't absorbed by the leather. Hardly rocket science.

Seems for some must explain further. When NOT being used keep tub in cool place cos it SEPARATES. This is LOS and everything is warm/hot, even your car seats when time for treatment, and even the tub when taken from it's cool place but won't have time to separate cos your using it.

while discussing your impending sin sot with your teeraks family be sure to mention the western tradtion of the brides family paying for everything for the wedding....you may find a compromise is forthcoming....

HeHeHe, yeah my inlaws started at 500,000, after a point blank refusal by me it dropped dramatically to the point Iam happy and we are tying the knot on the 7th of May, the family reckons I'm a cheap coont, I call it being "thrift" and the new price negotiated allows a V8 install on my pickup !!!

A sensible reply, 454 or 502.

Sorry I didnt know you had been under a rock for 10 years , As for street race tires on a truck comment again shows me you really dont have a clue about what does or has gone on around you here in Thailand. I moved to Thailand before Nitto started and I new about them

I was under the UK inland revenue rock alright for 41 years.

Yeah !! Know what you mean and do see trucks around here lowered etc but that is not my kind of thing or interest, rather do it to a car.

Making my truck when I had one go faster, yes and that's about it.

All my years in England I was always into Motorbikes and always used Bridgestone or Pirelli never used anything on a car or van other than Goodyear, Michelin, Bridgestone or Pirelli.

I guess Americans always have got a wider range of choices in many things.

Especially hamburgers.

No.

They're called klaxons and are available by mail order.

Mmmm, I was talking about availability in Thailand.

I am available at a competitive rate, ooga, ooga.

spot on MRO, Colorado wheelarches and Crown front for Vigo. Fortuner front not to bad.

usually a minor change like this indicates design of next gen, so Toyota designers need to sharpen up.

More curios about new spec, is there a 5 speed auto and 173 hp as in EU line?

Have just been conducting some somewhat unscientific market research - getting a group of approx. 60 Isaan villagers slighlty mao (have to get their attention somehow right?), and instigating a debate between them on which looks better - the new Ranger T6, the VIGO minor change and the Colorado Show truck (GMI-700).

Colorado won hands-down, Ford T6 a very, very distant 2nd, and VIGO with just one solo supporter. This from a Toyota stronghold - absolute opposite of what I expected. Times are changing...

More curios about new spec, is there a 5 speed auto and 173 hp as in EU line?

Have lots of speculation, but no hard facts ATM I'm afraid. Will update as more solid info comes to light.

At this stage I'd say that the 168HP (173PS) power upgrade is a gimme, 5AT possible.

Anyways, back to the drinking... my pet hate brand is the new darling of Issan

BUT, it doesn't matter what LOOKS better, it's what they would actually buy.

Tip 3. Connolly Hide Food contains paraffin, lanolin and beeswax; it should be applied warm, never straight from the fridge.

If it gets warm/hot it separates into liquid and gundge, Used it in my trade, any advise here is taking into account the high Thai temperatures. .

A tip from my old trade.

The best treatment bar none for leather seats is Connolly Hide Food. ALL the prestigious rides use it to stop it cracking and lengthen it's life, smells great too.

Tip2. If you locate some, keep in fridge or cool place.

Leather is NOT a factory option on the Fiesta hatchback, nor the lower sedan models. If you've been offered it, you've been offered an aftermarket retrimming job organized by the selling dealer, not something from Ford, and not covered under the Ford new car warranty.

In Thailand, there are usually several grades of leather to choose from in the aftermarket, and for something like a Fiesta the prices would run something like this:

Grade AAA, full leather: 35K

Grade A, full leather: 25K

Grade A, leather front, synthetic back: 18K

Grade B, leather front, synthetic back: 13K

Grade C, leather front, synthetic back: 9K

The Ford dealership we went to 'offered' to fit leather seats (quote: the same as in the sedan) for 18,000 THB when we were considering a car for my wife. A different TV member also made this same statement (Fiesta vs Mazda 2) which I read with interest as those were the very 2 cars we were considering at the time. Given that neither I or the other member know each other and probably live 100's of kilometre apart it would appear that Ford Thailand are offering this and not one dealer in isolation.

So in my vernacular it is a Ford option. Whether it's fitted in a factory or the seats are recovered prior to delivery is immateriel. Ford Thailand are offering a leather option. Seeing your post reminded me that the sales guy did actually refer to grade A and the prices are identical.

It's standard practice for dealers to supply & fit non-genuine accesories pre-delivery in Thailand, all brands do it, all dealerships do it, but that doesn't make it a factory option. This is something a prudent new car buyer in Thailand needs to be very aware of - if you don't specify "genuine only", most dealerships will kit your new car with the cheapest possible option for accessories.

The most common non-genuine accessories thrown-in with deals are windows tinting (film), weathershields, floor mats, exhaust tips, side mirror covers, and for pickups; tray liners, rear bumpers, side steps, nudge bars and roll bars.

None of these non-genuine accessories are covered under the new car warranty. Your sellign dealer may help you out with warranty claims, but no way will any other dealership be able to help you out, as warranty is serviced by the 3rd party vendor responsible for the original supply & fit.

In any case, At 18K Baht my guess is you'd be getting 13K worth of seat trimming, and a nice 5K commission for the sales rep. Even if they weren't making a comm (not very likely, heh) for this kind of money you'd be looking at much lower-grade Leather than what comes genuine on the top-model 4-door. It may look very similar now, but now way will it feel or last the same.

My recommendation would be either organize the leather yourself, or go back to the dealerand ask them how much to have AAA grade leather instead.

Your statement regarding accessory quality and how fitting non-approved items affects the warranty is right on. Fitting aftermarket electronic gizmo's is a typical example where the warranty becomes void. The gizmo isn't covered and any original component subject to a secondary defect of the gizmo's failure is voided also.

In the end we didn't buy the Fiesta or the Mazda 2. If we had decided to go farther with the Fiesta that would be the time when I would have qualified what we would get and perhaps then I would have opted to get a better quality than that offered. We drove a hatchback with fabric seats but they did have a sedan with leather trim which we looked at. I wouldn't really say it was trimmed with a high grade leather so what the guy said originally regarding 'same as' kind of seemed true for grade A. If what's being offered in the showrooms is lower quality than that then what you say is probably a little optimistic.. You would probably get the 9k leather.

This week we ordered a Volvo XC90 which in Thai spec doesn't come with GPS fitted which is an option I wanted. Initially we were told that as an option it wasn't available in Thailand. Weeks later we got telephone calls and e-mails explaining that they could after all fit an RTI system which was imported from Volvo Europe. It won't be factory fitted though it will be done before delivery to me, However it is covered by Volvo warranty. Somewhat expensive it is too.So extra options which aren't normally available in Thailand but complete with the auto manufacturers warranty can be got if you shop around (and pay the price).

A I said originally in response to the question posed. The reason the OP sweated when driving the hatchback fitted with leather seats was probably that they are not the best quality. I would now add that whether the leather seats in the hatchback are of the same quality as those in the sedan is uncertain. Only forensic analysis will prove this.

Finish coating makes a difference to leather breath-ability. Stay away from silicone treatments.

So, I just looked at the flyer from the Toyota dealership. They say they give a 100,000 KM or 3 year warranty on their CNG install for the Vigo.

I guess that's not a bad option? Plus, they put the tank underneath....

Same warranty as the Diesel motor.

Tell me why they fuk around why not do like Mitsu and put the inter-cooler in the front then no need for bonnet scoop.

intercooler on top provides shorter pipes/hoses and thus shorter delay in throttle response and more efficient cooling

isu mostly use intercooler in front, but for top hp VGS its on top

I changed it for this.

While we are talking NGV, does anyone know the tank size in Toyota Altis 1,6 G factory fitted?

I have found it to be 105 Kg more heavy than petrol only, trunk 170 liter smaller, but no online info on tank size.

Engine provides 10% less power on petrol, so assume 30% less on CNG.

I am in need of a car seating 4, driving Hua Hin-BKK roundtrip twice a week, IOW +50k km a year. Altis CNG springs to mind

My future Thai son in law has just bought a Chevy Aveo factory CNG (think CNG) 1.6 powered ride. Had a Honda Civic 1.6 but was expensive to run with the mileage driven in his work. Be interesting to see how it turns out. He is in Chon Buri/Bangkok area.

factory fitted is a must. It reduces excice tax from 25% to 10%, thus CNG costs 10k baht more for Altis, and warranty is kept, and fitting is assumable safe. In addition Altis factory NGV has a CNG compatible engine (not the same as petrol only), with parts like valves, head and pistons able to withstand the higher combustion temp. But whats the size of the tank, and what range in real world, IOW 120-140 kmh?

Don't know but when they come up here will investigate. Lazy me, we do a search.

Looked, seems the CNG tank is good for 180/200 KM in the Aveo.

While we are talking NGV, does anyone know the tank size in Toyota Altis 1,6 G factory fitted?

I have found it to be 105 Kg more heavy than petrol only, trunk 170 liter smaller, but no online info on tank size.

Engine provides 10% less power on petrol, so assume 30% less on CNG.

I am in need of a car seating 4, driving Hua Hin-BKK roundtrip twice a week, IOW +50k km a year. Altis CNG springs to mind

My future Thai son in law has just bought a Chevy Aveo factory CNG (think CNG) 1.6 powered ride. Had a Honda Civic 1.6 but was expensive to run with the mileage driven in his work. Be interesting to see how it turns out. He is in Chon Buri/Bangkok area.