JonnyF

My idol Trump? Bit early for strawman arguments, is it not? If any real crimes have been committed then they should feel the full force of the law. I abhor people who abuse children. However, there is a big difference between that and some sex worker who sees a very profitable hustle on the horizon 20 years after sleeping with a client. I would suggest the FBI start with Bill Gates and Bill Clinton. But that's highly unlikely given their links with the Democrat party. If they go after those two then Epstein would have died for nothing. No, much better they focus on a British Prince. "Hey, look over there everyone!!".

I haven't seen any credible allegations from NY. Just more mud slinging from a few sex workers looking for a payout.

Given the politicization of the FBI/courts that we've seen by the Democrats in the last couple of years, plus the fact that the American left are notoriously anti-British royal family I don't blame him. I'd be staying well clear of that Banana Republic and their justice legal system until the Republicans are back in power and some sanity is restored. I'd also be asking why they aren't investigating their own domestic high profile individuals like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates before they start trying to flex their imagined muscles by summoning members of the British Royal Family across the pond. If I was Andrew I'd tell them to go swivel.

Allegedly. At least you got that bit correct. She was a prostitute. Correct. That does not mean that Andrew paid her. Plenty of prostitutes have sexual relationships outside of their work. Perhaps Epstein paid her. But what for? Perhaps she was there in an escort/assistant role and chose to sleep with him because he was a wealthy Prince and thought she could "do a Markle". Perhaps he didn't even sleep with her. You have no credible evidence that he slept with her and no evidence that money changed hands. All you have is an allegation by a self confessed prostitute and procurer of girls for sex who stood to (and did) make millions from said allegation. Hardly credible. More of an opportunist cash grab by a hustler. By the way in the UK it is only illegal to use a 17 year old prostitute if you do not believe her to be 18. Guiffre looked about 21 so even if Andrew did sleep with her (unproved allegation) he could argue he believed her to be 18. That's IF he slept with her and IF he paid her. Two things completely unproven. So basically, you haven't got a leg to stand on.

The Ginger fool is no longer HRH. He is no longer funded by the royals. He is disloyal to his family and to the country. He is a liar and a hypocrite. He makes racist remarks and dresses like a Nazi for fun yet lectures the 'plebs' on unconcious bias. He lectures on climate change then takes private jets and Range Rovers. He deserves disparaging remarks. Prince Andrew on the other hand 'allegedly' (but unproven) slept with a 17 year old in London where the age of consent is 16. Do I find that a bit weird for a 41 year old man? Yes, but I find a lot of sexual practices (particularly those between same sex people) a bit weird but as long as it is legal it is none of my business. I live and let live. I am an open minded individual and as long as he has not broken any laws (and I see no credible evidence that he has) then I see no need to vilify him. I am not a bigot, unlike many people on here who are attacking him. Unlike Ginge and Cringe, he is not lecturing me on how to live so I will offer him the same courtesy as long as he remains within the law and as I stated I see no credible evidence that he has broken any laws. I will state it again, consensual sex with a 17 year old in London is not rape. It is not illegal. It is not Paedophilia. You are gaslighting again.

Raped? Trafficked? It's ridiculous. Her own father drove her to the airport. Here she is, clearly kicking and screaming. Clearly distressed at having been paid lots of money to sleep with a handsome Prince (assuming it happened of course). And by her own admission 17 years old when the legal age in London is 16. It's all just another excuse to attack British royalty by Republicans and American leftists. What a disgusting thing to accuse someone of.

Yes they did. London.

Ah, blame the previous administration for everything. How predictable.

It's not odd at all. The government has made many poor policy decisions and it's weak stance on immigration is one of the key issues that is making it very likely that they will lose the next election.

Nonsense. Any major hospital would have plenty of unemployed people within a 10-15 mile radius who are fit to work. Especially those in London. But no, let's give them all benefits and then import people to do the jobs that they are too lazy to do.

Biden was in charge for much more of the Covid era than Trump was.

Not at all. Discriminating against people based on skin colour is racism. Even if they are white.

Chicken and egg. Without such huge immigration numbers the strain on the NHS would be much less. I do support bringing skilled workers such as surgeons though. For unskilled work like cleaners, I'd reduce/remove unemployment benefits for those fit to work so they had no choice but to take such positions. There is no need to import unskilled workers with over a million unemployed.

Racist policies like positive discrimination have no place in any state.

An inane argument. People all across the world lost lives to the virus. If you want to blame anyone, blame China.

No, you're making stuff up.

Who called them grubby or sluts?

You are gaslighting again. You're the one who said they sympathize with those who engaged in his crimes against minors, not me... Having consensual sex with a 17 year old in London is not illegal and certainly isn't rape (even if he did it, of which there is no proof).

I have sympathy for the real victims, not opportunist hustlers who reject the chance of "justice" for cold hard cash. You can sympathize with those who engaged in his crimes against minors but I certainly won't. Yes accused. Not convicted. I could accuse you of the same thing, it means nothing. Andrew is innocent until proven guilty.

There is nothing credible about the accusation. Maybe your sympathy should lie with the victims of Guifree, the children that she herself admitted to acquiring for Epstein. Now THAT is a credible accusation since the perpertrator admitted to the crime. But no, she isn't a British Royal Male is she? So let's just brush that under the carpet and attack Andrew...

So your "evidence" is the word of a self confessed prostitute and procurer of children for sex who stood to make millions (and did) by making the claims? Excuse me if I don't join the cries to lock him up and throw away the key...

Plenty of people lie under oath. Just as plenty of people choose to settle out of court. If she was that bothered she could have refused the settlement but she already got exactly what she wanted. Money. If you're angry that he was allowed to settle, blame Guiffre. She accepted it.

Yes it is evidence. Not all evidence is reliable, or even true. I meant real evidence not the lies of a self confessed sex trafficking prostitute. It was his right to settle out of court. Perfectly legal.

Evidence? She could have given sworn testimony that Andrew morphed into an alien and took her to Mars on an inflatable flamingo, you can call that "evidence" as well if you wish. Andrew was perfectly entitled to settle out of court. Guiffre didn't have to accept the money, she chose to. Proving once again what this was all about. Money. A cash grab. Hardly surprising given her history. If you want to blame anyone for Andrew settling out of court, blame Guiffre for accepting the cash offer instead of seeking "justice".

Please provide evidence for these spurious allegations. This is nothing more than titilation for readers of tabloid rags and anti-royalists. There is no evidence Andrew slept with her while underage. None. Sworn testimony? That is essentially one side of a story and is very often a complete lie, especially when huge payouts are potentially up for grabs. You have nothing more than accusations from sex workers seeking huge payouts. The only person who has admitted to any crime is Guiffre herself.