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1 hour ago, Social Media said:

Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin issued a directive yesterday for a prompt inquiry into the vanishing of 11,000 tonnes of cadmium waste from a smelting factory in Samut Sakhon. The prime minister’s objective, as stated in his X account post yesterday, was to eliminate all dispersed tailings within a fortnight.

"fortnight"  was an unfortunate term, unless pun was intended because I an sure what happened to this toxic waste, I am sure happened during the night .

53 minutes ago, ThaiPauly said:

But in March my sense of taste has gone again and has become so bad that the majority of my food tastes horrible..

If food "tastes" then you have not lost your taste , but rather your taste has altered. 

Something that can happen.

I know things that you could not pay me enough to eat when I was younger  now I love it . 

So it can happen with age, perhaps covid, or some other reason accelerated that issue . 

If it is long covid, the good news is that for most people it reverses itself after a while.

  But perhaps it is some other reason. What have you been doing differently lately, if any  . Are you taking any new medications or have increased the dosage of existing ones?  Did you start taking vitamins or other supplements? 

   I wish I could lose my taste for western food, I would be saving a lot of money. My wife wishes I would also, not only for the money, but because I make a mess when I cook.   

I know that that Thai banks have to report to the US accounts opened by Americans, not sure if the same applies for other countries. 

I wonder if the reason some banks in Thailand might not want multiple  savings accounts, might be because the dont want to have to report multiple times to  the US or other countries that might require it. 

28 minutes ago, neeray said:

Why? Because little Thailand would be such a "bit player" in this partnership compared to big and technically strong China. This is merely Thailand running on China's coat tails. What does Thailand bring to the table as compared to China? Answer: Not much.

This knee jerk reaction to criticize anything Thai got to stop.  I don't ever reed these threads anymore , the reactions are predictable. Don't mean to pick on you Neeray, I only saw your post as I was scrolling through the "Uread content" page. If anything yours was one of the more benign. 

If you will read the OP , which I am sure most posters in this thread have not, nowhere does it say "equal players" it says 

"The intent behind these Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) is the formation of a joint working group,  " it is an agreement to Cooperation.

Small countries often cooperate with larger countries in many projects. 

   The Title and article read exactly as it should both here and in china, because it states what occurred.

Perhaps I am wrong. What is it in this article that you find untruthful or an exaggeration? Please post a quote and we will look at it. I promise an open mind. 

7 hours ago, neeray said:

"Thailand and China join forces for lunar and space research". I very much doubt that this is the way the headline would read in China.

Why?

Quote

Thailand walks aisle to marriage equality: What it means for same-sex couples

Equal protection under the law. 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

This is the first roast beef I've done in over 24 years.  Bit more done than I wanted, at the thin end, but made a tasty sandwich.  

 

Used a Picanha, which started at 1.7 kg, and ended up at 1.1 kg, after all the fat trimmed.  Not a complete loss, as now have 400gr of beef fat.

 

24 hrs after trussed up from the frig, cooked, and on the bread ... 

 

 

 

Mouth watering!!

51 minutes ago, James105 said:

I must have missed the part where they rocked up in armoured tanks along with the threat of nuclear destruction that would be required to effectively overthrow the government in the USA. 

Very lame reply. LOL you set up a straw man and then you knock it down 

52 minutes ago, James105 said:

It was a protest that crossed the line to include trespass and the sentences should really have reflected that. 

also lame, and legally uninformed.

In the legal system you don't get reduction points for being inept. 

"Hey sure I tried to kill the guy, but my gun wasn't big enough" 

57 minutes ago, James105 said:

The minute you think what you saw there was an "insurrection" is the point you should look long and hard in the mirror at what CNN et all have turned you into.   

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Sunlight can be converted into electricity, it goes straight into your car.

Yea that's true with solar cell, but it does not go straight into your car it goes straight into your battery where it is stored ,and from there to your car,

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Sunlight can be converted to electricity, it is then used to make Hydrogen

yes it can, and then it is converted to hydrogen, but not the only way to make release hydrogen from oxygen,  instead of the electric energy being stored in your car battery it is stored in the hydrogen,

13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Sunlight can be converted into electricity, it goes straight into your car.

Sunlight can be converted to electricity, it is then used to make Hydrogen

No it goes into your battery in the car.  Hydrogen is the battery. that goes in your car  The only different is how energy is transported to your car. with electricity it is produced in an electric generating plant  and transmitted via an electric grid that has a 17% loss . 17% percent of the electric energy produced is lost to resistance and transformers. Let me repeat that because it is so important. 17% of electricity produced is lost in transmission!! To that add the inability of the grid to handle 100% electrification. 

20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Electricity goes straight into your car (no more steps after this)

Electricity makes Hydrogen  (lots more steps after this)

No there are many steps from generation to delivery in your car. 

In addition to the transmission challenges , batteries are very heavy. 

22 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I never said Nuclear Energy was not viable.  I said Hydrogen produced through nuclear energy is not viable (to be precise I said too expensive), actually it doesn't exist anywhere yet either.

says who? Maybe it is I don't know but the article I provided says hydrogen will be generated from heat waste, with little electricity.

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I have already posted my sources, try reading them, you are clutching at straws.

 

One of the sources I posted said In the race toward a more sustainable future, there is a burgeoning demand for clean fuels, with green hydrogen taking center stage. “The Green Hydrogen Market, valued at $676 million in 2022, is anticipated to experience an extraordinary CAGR [compound annual growth rate] of 61.0% from 2022 to 2027,” Shubhendu Tripathi, a senior research analyst at MarketandMarkets, told POWER. 

  ..It is certainly a source. But I a honest, I don't understand what it proves other than that the demand for Hydrogen is increasing, which is also my point. 

27 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It's clear to me you are being obtuse, I have posted expert opinions, the sources they came from and yet you go round in circles.  You're trolling.

I really dot understand your point. what is it? can you state it in a sentence? . I am really trying to understand what your point is. 

and am refraining from editorialise. 

30 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I've separated your points.  first point, an EV uses on average 4 kWhrs of electricity per day, it's not very much.  If you deliver new EV's at the rate of demand, there is no issue in the grid coping, it's being expanded all the time.

simply google "is there an issue to the grid with ev charging " hundreds of returns all saying that it does . 

Here is the first one "Impact on supply and demand balance: Unregulated EV charging can amplify the peak demand on the grid, particularly when vehicle charging coincides with existing peak loads. This may overburden the transmission system and critical components of the distribution network, such as transformers and cables. "

https://fr.farnell.com/the-effects-of-electric-vehicle-charging-on-the-power-grid-trc-ar?ICID=I-CT-TECH-RES-FC-THE_EFFECTS_OF_ELECTRIC_VEHICLE_CHARGING_STATIONS-TC-0000667-MAR_24-WF3575385#:~:text=Impact on supply and demand,such as transformers and cables.

and it seems that you choose to ignore the Transitional loss. 

36 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Second point. You are missing the point, how does the hydrogen get into your car? 

it would be pumped like gasoline in a gas station. There will be  a transportation infustracture for hydrogen as it is for electricity. Electricity does not magically appear at your outlet. 

   also you fail to consider many other reasons why hydrogen will win out.  Batteries are heavy. can't be used for airplanes and trucks , it's the payload problem an the F=ma issue. which is what started this conversation. 

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe, and as such available to any country. So we have the political issue ,China dominates battery production at this time. 

Hydrogen can be clean , where the production of electricity has its pollution issues, unless we burn hydrogen or go nuclear, 

Anyway thank you for engaging me in this conversation, regrettably I got to g because I got things to do, so don't be insulted if I dont unswere any more quotes. 

Had a friend from down the street over last night and had a few, 

Nice Australian fellow 

Unfortunately for me when I drink at night , I don't sleep well .

Only got about 6 hrs  of sleep, it is a getting older thing.

Usually we have a couple of cold ones lunch time. But not today. 

41c here in Khon kaen, go up early and took care of a few things in the yard, and have spend most of the day inside. 

28 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

My reply to you included a citation that directly contradicted your premise 

You might think that, but.....

which premise was that? and then please post to source that contradicted such premice.

If it did I would be happy to eat crow  and  change my opinion publicly in this forum. 

26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What do you start in BEV, you start with electricity and it is not converted into anything else before you use it.

Apologies, no disrespect intended but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue , please refer to the reviouse reply 

55 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It doesn’t make sense to me to use the electricity generated by wind and/or solar power to then produce hydrogen that would then have to be worked on (compressed, freezes etc) and then transported over land to thousands of filling stations to be pumped into cars when the electricity produced can just be transmitted over power lines to your home to charge your EV. 
 

Talk about inefficiency.

The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed , it can only be changed to a different form. 

every type of transportation system must convert Chemical energy or electric energy into kinetic energy,

ICE vehicles convert Chemical energy into kinetic energy 

Both BEV and Fuel Cell electric vehicles use electricity to create kinetic energy. the only difference is how the electricity is transmitted, 

  In  BEV it is transmitted through and electric grid system  and wires, to a charging station , An electric grid I might add that can not support total transportation system electrification at it's current state , especially in Thailand. Have you ever looked up? 

  In Fuel cell where the hydrogen is produced via electrolysis, the energy  does not need an electric grid to be transported it is stored in the hydrogen. 

Simply stated you can send the energy via an electric grid, that also has about 17% loss do to resistance and transformers, or you can store the energy in Hydrogen. 

 Arthur Schopenhauer once said, “All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident. This was true with BEVs for many of you . All of a sudden many of you who ridiculed , then were opposed and now find their utility self evident. 

And you will all go through the same process with hydrogen. and many of you who might now ridicule and oppose will act as you always knew the self evident utility of it. 

47 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

f you want to be taken seriously in this discussion you can’t just spout BS you need to post evidence to support your arguments

the same applies to you 

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Firstly, this topic is electric vehicles in Thailand where there are no nuclear reactors, many countries have no nuclear reactors. 

Many countries have not Petroleum and yet they have ICE cars .

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Lithium type batteries will dominate the market long before Hydrogen gets there. 

Sure I said the same,  

13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are 2 barriers for Hydrogen cars, the first is cost of Hydrogen, currently it is too expensive,

currently. 

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

you start with electricity and end up with electricity,

what do you start in BEV strawberries? 

15 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Secondly storage.  Currently the only viable alternative is to compress

again the operative word here is "Currently "  no where did I say that hydrogen fuel cell is currently viable .

17 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are experiments going on like you mention, but that's all they are, experiments.  No statement has been made about it's practicalities or the efficiency losses in storing & recovering it from the medium.

 conventional battery technology did not remain static, why should Hydrogen? 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Doubt that very much, as H been around for at least 27 years in USA, and here's the H infrastructure over those 27 years.   Most of the few there, are located in CA & NY.

Sorry but that does not even make sense, you are saying that there is a Hydrogen infustracture for 27 years and in the same breath that there is no hydrogen infustracture, and the few that exists "are located in CA & NY "

57 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Then somebody will have to subsidise it, I don't think that is going to happen.

Like BEV is not subsidised? 

57 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Most experts think electrolysing water is the way to go and 33% of the energy IS wasted producing Oxygen (2 of H₂ and 1 of O₂ produced from each molecule, this IS the science).

   First , all processes have a loss, mining minera or for BEV has a loss , or or distilling petroleum. in  water electrolysis electrolysis the oxygen byproduct also has commercial value.

    I just posted a quote and a link , where they plan to use excess heat at nuclear plants and little electric to produce hydrogen 

"Japan plans hydrogen production with next-generation nuclear reactor — using heat and only minimal electricity  "

"The country’s nuclear research agency, the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA), last week passed a safety test on its novel High Temperature Gas Cooled Reactor (HTGR), and is now planning hydrogen production field trials using waste heat from the plant as soon as 2028, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. "

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/japan-plans-hydrogen-production-with-next-generation-nuclear-reactor-using-heat-and-only-minimal-electricity/2-1-1621135

This is not the only process available. solar cells are very cheap. and they are working on other processes . Just as battery technology did not remain static, so will Hydrogen technology. We were vacationing in Greece last year, people with unproductive land are starting to line it up with solar cells and selling the electricity to the electric company, who is to say that when there is a demand for hydrogen they can not do the same .  

As I originally said, at this point BAV is the way to go, but as a stop gap option until the hydrogen production , transportation and overall infustracture is developed. I think 10-15 years ,  At this juncture I would also buy a BAV because IMO it makes better overall sense than ICE 

No reason why both BEV and FCEV can not  co-exist but I think scale of economies will eventually make BEV obsolete,

Keep in mind that both fuel Cell an "BEV are both BEV , Fuel cell is just another battery. But for the sake of argument we now use the Fuel cell and BEV nomenclature to differentiate between the two, but  it confuses some to think that if someone is for fuel cell is against evs , which could not be further from the truth.

  One also makes the mistake to compare  today's BEV stats, with Today's fuel cell stats.  Fuel Cell has not even started  and BEV is pretty much established. 

IMO the advantages of hydrogen fuel cell are so many that current BEV  could not possibly compete. But who is to say that tomorrow they don't come up  with a solid state battery that is easily  made from  common and abundant material that is light and charges in 5 min,, or even quantum zero point energy. (ZPE)

  By the way hydrogen does not need to be pressurized to be transported .

' Breakthrough research enables high-density hydrogen storage for future energy systems

Date:March 6, 2024"

"This innovative research centers around a nanoporous magnesium borohydride structure (Mg(BH₄)₂), showcasing the remarkable capability to store hydrogen at high densities even under normal atmospheric pressure. "

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240306150645.htm

17 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Hydrogen is always going to cost more per mile than a BEV, currently at least 5 times more, it will never be better than twice as much.

 

Whilst there is H2 underground, it's neither accessible nor economic to frack it.  The only sustainable way to produce it is to electrolyse water.  33% of the energy used to produce it is wasted producing Oxygen (which you can produce far cheaper), it is mathematically impossible to improve on that figure which assumes 100% efficiency in the electrolysis which is also impossible.  Then we have to compress it and distribute it to fuel stations and finally use it in the car, presumably a H2 Fuel Cell which is unlikely to be ever more than 65% efficient as heat is produced as a waste product.

 

I believe you will see H2 cars but they will cost more to run so they will have to be cheaper to buy or people won't buy them. 

 

The other issue is time to refuel, it currently takes 10 minutes to refuel H2 for 300km, it will be no faster than future BEV's which may well be shorter.

Hydrogen is  Not always going to cost more per mile than a BEV, currently at least 5 times more, it will never be better than twice as much.

The only sustainable way to produce it is not  to electrolyse water.  33% of the energy used to produce it is not wasted producing Oxygen (which you can produce far cheaper),

 Then we don't  have to compress it and distribute it to fuel stations and finally use it in the car,

I believe you will see H2 cars but they will not cost more to run so they will  be just as cheap to buy or people won't buy them. 

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

With advances in battery technology, it will happen easily

Perhaps, 

But once there is a hydrogen infustracture, as there will be soon, every major country is investing heavily in it. Why try to Development "advanced battery tech" when there is an abundant, cheap alternative, liteweight,  battery system already?

"Japan plans hydrogen production with next-generation nuclear reactor — using heat and only minimal electricity "

"The country’s nuclear research agency, the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA), last week passed a safety test on its novel High Temperature Gas Cooled Reactor (HTGR), and is now planning hydrogen production field trials using waste heat from the plant as soon as 2028, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. "

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/japan-plans-hydrogen-production-with-next-generation-nuclear-reactor-using-heat-and-only-minimal-electricity/2-1-1621135

39 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Agree...

 

100 Percent.

 

I will not buy from Thailand retailers, in the future.

 

I can buy from Japan, and I want to.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Big Time!

 

 

The problem in Thailand is that import and retail , are concerned with a price point that is affordable to the majority of their marker, so consequently thy import and stock cheap merchandise.  

Remember a couple of months ago when , I said that BEVs are fine, would probably buy one, but the future is in Hydrogen fuel cell batteries

and one of my arguments was that conventional batteries are too heavy. 

Stellantis seems to agree with me 

" Stellantis CEO Wants To Cut EV Battery Weight In Half"

" Carlos Tavares said that an EV with a 250-mile range requires 500 kg of additional materials compared to an ICE model"

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/stellantis-ceo-wants-to-cut-the-weight-of-ev-batteries-in-half/