welovesundaysatspace

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

But it should be British people who vote in any referendum that fundamentally alters any aspect of the country and / or its constitution. Not a minority of about 4% of the population dictating their will.

Good that EU people didn’t demand that when it came to Brexit: “It should be EU people who vote in any referendum that fundamentally alters any aspects of the Union. Not a minority of the population dictating their will.” 
 

If a country wants to leave a union, it should, of course, be up to the country to decide that. It shouldn’t be other countries dictating their will. 

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Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

 

Patriotism is equally stupid, even more so if it’s following the above definition. Who are “your own people” and how do you “love” them? It’s equally nonsense as being “proud” of “your country”. You typically find this in people who didn’t achieve much they can actually be proud of, and who don’t have many friends and loved ones to actually love. Thus escaping into loving and being proud of something abstract as “my country” and “our people”. 
 

(Not to mention that many people when they say “patriotism” are in fact practicing hate of other people while claiming that is the patriotic thing to do.) 

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

he should have thought about the potential repercussions of his bad actions/intentions, now it's EU pay back time, he was warned.... guess what? more to come

You haven’t learned by now that one of the many incompetences of Brexiteers is that they don’t think about the consequences of their doings but run to their moms crying foul when they got a bloody nose. And this is just a warning shot. The big guns will come later when those thugs actually go through with their threats to break international law. No trade deal, fines and sanctions will be a different game than this diplomatic hint. 

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

"We should have denied you all the extensions" and wanting our money are two different things

Yes, the divorce payment would have been due either way. 
 

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

why do you think Verhofstadt was canvassing for the Lib/Dems for us to remain, why did he wear a t shirt with blox to brexit on it, the clues are all there, see if you can work it out.

Because he can. Same as you could have left at any time. 

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I don’t care about your internal divisions. That’s your business. Get your <deleted> together internally or break up into Brexiteer land and Remainer land if you can’t unite, but that’s your business and not something you should bother us with. 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

We have done, thanks .

The “break up” part you mean? Can’t be the unite it seems ???? 

28 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Brexiteers wanted to leave the day after the vote .

It was the Remainers, both in the UK and in the E.U , that delayed us leaving for as long as possible in the hope of the referendum being overturned .

   Brexiteers were at E.U meetings, begging you not to allow us any more extensions 

I don’t care about your internal divisions. That’s your business. Get your <deleted> together internally or break up into Brexiteer land and Remainer land if you can’t unite, but that’s your business and not something you should bother us with. 

2 minutes ago, Poet said:

The EU never did anything about China, not even after Tiananmen.

This reminds me of Trump supporters asking why Obama wasn’t seen in office when 9/11 happened. 

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

We have wasted our time with the EU for the last 4 years

You could have left at any time. Same as we should have denied you all the extensions you desperately asked for. 
 

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the early years it was all snide remarks about May and the UK, has the EU now run out of the snide remarks and are now panicking like a man just about to be guillotined.

Let's just leave at David 1, Goliath nil. ????

Still in lala land building castles in the sky. Project Reality is waiting, maybe with some no-deal and sanctions as the cherries on top. 
 

With the US having become a broken banana republic, and little England pursuing the same path, it’s the EU who has to stand up against the likes of China and Russia. “As one senior official puts it: “One thing that Moscow, Beijing and Washington have in common is that they would all like to divide Europe.” (https://www.ft.com/content/e9b7b193-47d4-4887-abe1-2c12f344922a) 

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

How can he be representing the 27 nations when there will be 10s of thousand job losses all across europe, an estimated 100,000 jobs will go in Ireland alone, he is cutting his nose off to spite his face.

Maybe you should explain how the one negates the other, especially in light of the explanation I provided in my post before. 

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

His plan to split up the UK as been foiled, he is a failure, Merkal herself as said that she will want to negotiate to the very last minute of this so called EU fiasco.

You’re really still hoping for Merkel and the German auto industry to come to your last-minute rescue on a white horse? Again, please refer to my previous reply to understand why that won’t happen, and why there won’t be a trade deal that goes against the single market. Just accept it and move on; the positions have been incompatible from the very beginning and we are just wasting time here. 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

And you don't?

Not necessarily because...

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Barnier is not looking for a deal,

...his mandate is to protect the single market, which is worth much more than the 7-8% UK market. 
 

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he sees this as a perfect opportunity to hurt the UK and indeed split up the UK and is quite prepared to cut his own nose off to spite his face. If that doesn't warrant a change in leaders, what does?
 

He’s just the frontman representing the 27 nations, so they can focus on the real issues — Russia, China, Covid, etc. 

This FT article is quite on point: Germany has more pressing concerns than Brexit: Viewed from Berlin, it would be dangerous and self-defeating to agree a Brexit deal that undermines the single market. As the Germans see it, allowing the UK tariff and quota-free access to that market — while exempting the country from the EU’s state-aid regulations and border controls — would pose an unacceptable threat to Europe’s legal order, prosperity and unity.”

And “if you want to hear British-style understatement these days, you need to go to Germany. The political atmosphere in London is hysterical and insular. It is the Germans who are thinking globally and whose maxim now seems to be: “keep calm and carry on”.

(https://www.ft.com/content/e9b7b193-47d4-4887-abe1-2c12f344922a)

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Next step for the EU has to replace Mr Barnier with someone more competent and able.

You wish. 

1 hour ago, Opl said:

in January,

but one month later, February 23

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-team-seeks-to-evade-irish-sea-checks-on-goods-mv3pqjkcm

Seems like Boris quite quickly realized he signed something he didn’t have a clue about and decided he would have to break international law to “fix” what his incompetence causes. What a clown. 

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

More weasel EU words, in a language that you are still improving at but obviously have not quite mastered.

You can decide all you like, but we don't HAVE to accept anything. We particularly don't HAVE to accept your deal, which is what we were arguing. There's not much point anybody arguing about your decision, only the UK response to them. If the EU insists on not Canada style, it is up to you but we do not have to accept anything else - that is up to us.

 

You just need to make your position and argument properly, otherwise you will end up going around in circles. That is exactly the same are your other failed negotiator M. Barnier. Shall I ask Boris to clarify this for you too? He could write a new bill for you.

Please read before joining a conversation. Then you don’t look like a complete idiot. 

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

How do you think that I was able to reply to your posts without reading the post ?

Replying to a post and writing something that makes sense are two different shoes. Your last replies show me you either didn’t read what I wrote or you didn’t understand it. Nowhere did I write that the UK needs to sign a deal. I wrote that the UK needs to accept that the EU won’t give it Canada terms, which your initial question was. 

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

This sums it all up from the EU: "... you HAVE to accept our decision...". Sorry Fritzy, but we don't have to accept anything.
 

Yes, you have to. 
 

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

That's why we left. If the EU wants hard ball, we are happy to go No Deal from now on.
It's happening.

Thereby you’d be accepting our decision.  

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Are you saying that the UK HAS to sign the deal ?

Like I said: Please read before you comment, then you don’t need to ask what I’m saying. I’m not gonna quote the whole conversation here again. 

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You cannot force the UK to sign the deal .

We are free now, you can no longer force us to do things .

We are not under your control anymore , we have left 

Please read before you comment. Makes you look less confused. 

12 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The UK doesnt HAVE to do anything  , our choice what we do 

No, you HAVE to accept our decision to not give you a Canada style trade deal. NOT your choice. OUR choice. ????