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10 minutes ago, transam said:
...........You really should employ an adviser before you post on this subject........????You should have done that throughout the whole process, then you wouldn’t be in the desperate need to find someone to blame for your failure ????
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Just now, vogie said:Boris has outsmarted Barnier and someone on here doesn't like it.????????????
That’s why Boris needs someone to blame. Yup. That makes sense. ????
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12 minutes ago, vogie said:If your definition of the EU having the upper hand is coming out of negotiations with nothing
Which is not happening.
Quoteand not getting any divorce alimony,
Which is not happening.
Quoteit is no wonder Mr Barnier is so useless at making deals.
He’s doing a great job. Unlike Brexiteers, who keep admitting defeat by looking for someone to blame, we are well on track.
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3 minutes ago, transam said:Do you know what "your" means in my reply to you....????
It means that you weren’t able to read and understand the conversation you were replying to ????
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11 minutes ago, transam said:We accept your capitulation.....????
You need to work on you reading comprehension skills: it was your Brexiteer friend who blamed the EU, thereby showing once again that it’s the EU who has the upper hand ???? ????
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56 minutes ago, vogie said:
And of course when we leave with a 'no deal' it will be the fault of Boris and nothing what-so-ever to do with the EU, the bond some remainers have with the EU is quite touching really.
Blaming the other team just means admitting defeat ???? ????
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2 hours ago, Loiner said:YOUR refugees.
Not once they’re in your waters or on your shores.
2 hours ago, Loiner said:You can still have them all back anyway.
The question was how that should happen. There’s no legal mechanism to send resettle. Invading France as you seemed to prefer also not gonna happen. They would have to leave on their own—maybe that could work once Brexit is completed and the UK is down the drain.
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1 minute ago, Loiner said:This is the EU reality. “Let’s allow them to hang around here, until they move on to the UK. We don’t really care, so long as we don’t pay for them.”
The question was what you gonna do about your refugee problem. Your fantasy of invading other countries to resettle the refugees arriving on your shores is not gonna happen, and you know that.
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3 hours ago, billd766 said:And breaking international laws on the way. IIRC once the refuge reaches the first "safe country" they become the responsibility of that country.
The Dublin agreement (which you seem to be referring to) is EU law, so nothing the UK could use anymore.
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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:
I’d have no problem with that. They are an easy invade, as we have seen. Then just dump their illegals back on the beach.
Unless you would like to add them to Angela’s?
And now come back to reality.
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21 minutes ago, Loiner said:We won't be half rejoining the EU under a dodgy FTA agreement.
“half rejoining” isn’t possible anyway because EU membership is a binary choice.
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21 minutes ago, Loiner said:
Is there a law which would prevent return of your EU illegals?
Well unless you want to invade France (or another country) you would have to find a law that allows you to “return” them. Guess why France can’t just “return” them?
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Just now, Loiner said:
Why would anybody need a law about that?
Because that’s how reality works. I know it’s difficult to accept but that’s how it is.
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Just now, david555 said:O.K. then . Can we just stop now this negotiation nonsense . And each run our own Country /Union ?
Guess why the EU leaders have long moved on to more important topics.
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Just now, Loiner said:
The referendum vote was to Leave. If an EU preferred FTA with conditions does not concur with that but is a 'half stay', then its a 'No' to your FTA.
The referendum vote was to end EU membership. No on aspects of a FTA. See the ballot paper that someone posted above.
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Just now, Loiner said:
Then you won't mind when we dump all the illegals back on the beach at Calais?
According to what law or agreement could the UK “dump” people(1) on a beach of a foreign country?
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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:
The details of the FTA the EU would like would ensure a half stay. We didn't vote for half stay.
You never had a referendum on an FTA. You only had one on EU membership. So should there be a “half stay” FTA I’m afraid you can’t claim that that wouldn’t be in line with the referendum — because there was none on it.
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1 minute ago, Loiner said:
The EU allows their illegal migrants to cross the channel. (...)
They are not free to enter UK.
Those are your borders. The ones you’ve taken back control of, remember?
1 minute ago, Loiner said:Not stopping them or imprisoning them - that's aid enough.
They are not free to travel if they have illegally entered the EU.
I’m afraid that’s not your business, and not even the EU’s business, but that of the respective state. They’re sovereign states and can decide to respect people’s freedom and let them travel as they like.
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1 minute ago, nauseus said:If the details of these negotiations mean that we are still subject to EU rules, laws, regulations and conditions, evidently, it is not done.
Wrong. Because you only voted to end EU membership.
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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:You still think Brexiteers are stupid? We voted to Leave. Not half in half stay, which is only what has been implemented so far.
At the end of the transition period we will have fully Left. No half stay deals that keep us tied to EU.
Someone posted the ballot paper above. You voted to end EU membership. You didn’t vote on aspects of a FTA.
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45 minutes ago, Loiner said:They are illegal and the EU's problem from the day they set foot in the EU. (...) Nice try, but they are very definitely still an EU problem.
If they are the EU’s problem, then what you’re moaning about? Not your business.
45 minutes ago, Loiner said:None of them manage to get to the UK without EU aid.
What “aid”?
45 minutes ago, Loiner said:How does the EU allow the ones who claim asylum in Spain or Greece to travel all the way to UK?
People don’t need anyone allow them to travel. They just travel. People are free.
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18 minutes ago, nauseus said:
You said: "Still brexiteers try to tell others people in fact voted for many other things, such as the details of a free trade agreement, which, of course, was never part of the referendum and ballot paper". But they didn't.
They do. When it comes to fishing rights, the ECJ, state aid, they claim that that is not what people voted for. Even though what people voted for has already been implemented and is done.
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1 minute ago, Loiner said:They are all the EU's business from the day they land on EU shores.
They are the EU’s business only while they’re in the EU. After they’ve left they’re not the EU’s business anymore.
1 minute ago, Loiner said:Despicable really to dump the freeloaders on the UK, but that's the EU for you just moving
People are free to move. No one is “dumping” or “moving” them.
1 minute ago, Loiner said:their imported problems to UK.
I remember it was the UK who went to war with the US in Iraq. So it seems the UK imported these “problems” themselves.
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14 minutes ago, nauseus said:
No they don't.
They do. When it comes to fishing rights, the ECJ, state aid, they claim that that is not what people voted for. Even though what people voted for has already been implemented and is done.
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...........You really should employ an adviser before you post on this subject........
Brexit back in crisis as UK threatens to undercut divorce pact
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Again, your lack of reading comprehension skills is amusing. Add that to the list of advisors to engage ????