Five shotguns raffled at Koh Phangan officials' party

Five shotguns raffled at Koh Phangan officials' party

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/five-shotguns-raffled-at-koh-phangan-officials-party-r3265/

Six hurt in shotgun attack at Korat district fair

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/six-hurt-in-shotgun-attack-at-korat-district-fair-r3263/

Anybody having trouble seeing a solution?

This doesn't look like any bird-hunting "shotgun"! Can anybody identify this weapon. One thing we know for sure--it kills.

8 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Five shotguns raffled at Koh Phangan officials' party

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/five-shotguns-raffled-at-koh-phangan-officials-party-r3265/

Six hurt in shotgun attack at Korat district fair

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/six-hurt-in-shotgun-attack-at-korat-district-fair-r3263/

Anybody having trouble seeing a solution?

This doesn't look like any bird-hunting "shotgun"! Can anybody identify this weapon. One thing we know for sure--it kills.

Seeing there isn't any legal bird hunting here, although it happens all the time, the only other means are those types anyway, for self defense.

there is a big need to reform a lot of laws, adn there is a need to end corruption and get an institution that enforce really the laws

Very funny, guns as a raffle prize.

What ever happened to a hamper of chicken stock.

Crazy stuff.

Carry on Thailand.

Edited August 13Aug 13 by rocketboy2

9 hours ago, rocketboy2 said:

Very funny, guns as a raffle prize.

What ever happened to a hamper of chicken stock.

Crazy stuff.

Carry on Thailand.

Koh Phanghan needs a headline like this

.......like a hole in the head !

17 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

there is a big need to reform a lot of laws, adn there is a need to end corruption and get an institution that enforce really the laws

There is a need to enforce a lot of laws as well

It's on Koh Phangan and Koh Tao, so they are going to need those shotguns.

19 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Can anybody identify this weapon.

Pistol grip shotgun, scary looking isn’t it, though no less functional than one without a pistol grip, 5!

19 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

One thing we know for sure--it kills.

How is that? Do you actually believe that a gun has a mind of its own and wakes up in the morning and decides to go on a killing rampage?

Internet informs me these guns are, with text from Thai FB page selling them... :

NTS COMMANDO TF 8.6 inch magazine

Size 12, length 8.6 inches, holds 5 rounds

Barrel: Black steel / Rear rail: Polymer

Single-stage pump system

Good quality at a low price, less than 20,000 baht, keep it at home for peace of mind

Apparently these are readily available via the Thai government's welfare gun program.

What is the welfare gun program, I hear you say ?

The Thai government's "welfare gun" program is an initiative managed primarily through the Ministry of Interior and state agencies that allows qualified public officials—such as police, military personnel, administrative officers, and state enterprise workers—to purchase legally registered firearms at significantly discounted, duty-free prices.

Purpose and Scope

• Intended Beneficiaries: Serving members of the Royal Thai Police, military, civil service, and authorized local officials (such as kamnan or village headmen).

• Intended Use: To maintain public order, defend national security, and provide personal and property protection for officials working in high-risk or remote environments.

• Mechanism: Participating state agencies coordinate with licensed private importers and dealers in Bangkok to acquire bulk quantities of handguns and other authorized firearms (such as specific models from international manufacturers like Sig Sauer or CZ) for distribution to eligible applicants.

Controversies and Loopholes

• Resale Market: A major structural flaw in the scheme has been the lack of lifetime retention mandates or strict caps on purchases. Historically, after holding a welfare firearm for a legally mandated period (typically five years), officials could legally transfer or resell these heavily discounted weapons into the civilian market. This has turned the program into a primary pipeline feeding thousands of legal, low-cost firearms into broader private ownership.

• Diversion and Diversion Risks: Critics and security analysts have pointed out that lax oversight enabled corrupt actors or rogue personnel to abuse purchase quotas (known locally by permit types like Por. 3 and Por. 4) to source weapons for commercial resale online rather than official duty.

4 hours ago, Ken444 said:

There is a need to enforce a lot of laws as well

IMO, I think we've got too many laws without enforcing the really necessary ones. If one looks at the US Criminal Code for 1923, it was a telephone book. But the current Criminal Code is counted in volumes.

We elect lawyers to office. Their instinct is to make more laws which also raises their repution. Look how smart this guy is. He knew we needed a law to prevent dog's sihitting in the crosswalks! Climbing flagpoles should be outlawed, don't you think?

And other such nonsense. Laws are very rarely rescinded, only added onto.

I mean, this is completely tone-deaf after what just happened at the Bangkok school. Who signed off on it and thought it was a good idea and that it wouldn't attract and scrutiny?

Just goes to show that many people in positions of power here are completely bereft of any sense, empathy, or critical thinking.

Edited August 14Aug 14 by Sir Dude

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Anyone coming into your home uninvited.

We're neighbours. We come and go daily into each others home without knocking or calling out, for a chat, some food a coffee. You're telling me I have a reason to live in fear? In fact, why does anybody need to live in fear of--ooooh---others?

Oh, you must be talking about strangers! Can't recall any stranger bothering me in 76 years. Are you saying I need to be afraid of them?

Nonsense for the paranoid. And the root of the problem is: Can't trust anybody.

Edited August 14Aug 14 by unblocktheplanet
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1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

We're neighbours. We come and go daily into each others home, for a chat, some food a coffee. You're telling me I have a reason to live in fear?

Okay, anyone you don't know who comes into your home uninvited looking to cause harm.

3 hours ago, realfunster said:

Internet informs me these guns are, with text from Thai FB page selling them... :

NTS COMMANDO TF 8.6 inch magazine

Size 12, length 8.6 inches, holds 5 rounds

Barrel: Black steel / Rear rail: Polymer

Single-stage pump system

Good quality at a low price, less than 20,000 baht, keep it at home for peace of mind

Apparently these are readily available via the Thai government's welfare gun program.

What is the welfare gun program, I hear you say ?

The Thai government's "welfare gun" program is an initiative managed primarily through the Ministry of Interior and state agencies that allows qualified public officials—such as police, military personnel, administrative officers, and state enterprise workers—to purchase legally registered firearms at significantly discounted, duty-free prices.

Purpose and Scope

• Intended Beneficiaries: Serving members of the Royal Thai Police, military, civil service, and authorized local officials (such as kamnan or village headmen).

• Intended Use: To maintain public order, defend national security, and provide personal and property protection for officials working in high-risk or remote environments.

• Mechanism: Participating state agencies coordinate with licensed private importers and dealers in Bangkok to acquire bulk quantities of handguns and other authorized firearms (such as specific models from international manufacturers like Sig Sauer or CZ) for distribution to eligible applicants.

Controversies and Loopholes

• Resale Market: A major structural flaw in the scheme has been the lack of lifetime retention mandates or strict caps on purchases. Historically, after holding a welfare firearm for a legally mandated period (typically five years), officials could legally transfer or resell these heavily discounted weapons into the civilian market. This has turned the program into a primary pipeline feeding thousands of legal, low-cost firearms into broader private ownership.

• Diversion and Diversion Risks: Critics and security analysts have pointed out that lax oversight enabled corrupt actors or rogue personnel to abuse purchase quotas (known locally by permit types like Por. 3 and Por. 4) to source weapons for commercial resale online rather than official duty.

Woo-ee! "Good quality at a low price!" Guess that means it doesn't shoot you when you pull the trigger. Maybe, just maybe, police need to be armed. But I'm not even so convinced of that. There'd be a lot more talking solutions than killings.

Jeezus! They always have to get "national security" in there somehow!

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Okay, anyone you don't know who comes into your home uninvited looking to cause harm.

As I said, not in 76 years. Your mileage may vary.

Just now, unblocktheplanet said:

As I said, not in 76 years. Your mileage may vary.

A self defense gun is there for the one time you might need it. Hopefully that never comes, but if it does, it could mean the difference between them and you.