Ban on international flights complies with ICAO standards: CAAT

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Ban on international flights complies with ICAO standards: CAAT

 

 

BANGKOK, 7 September 2017 (NNT) – The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT) has affirmed its ban on some airlines which are yet to be certified for international flights is a normal policy according to the ICAO standards. 

CAAT Director-General Chula Sukmanop said the prohibition to certain airlines which are yet to pass evaluation tests for the Air Operator Certificate (AOC) to operate international flights effective from 1 September 2017 complies with the International Civil Aviation Organization's (ICAO) standards. 

The ICAO will conduct an evaluation test in Thailand, for which the CAAT has made preparations, during 20-27 September 2017. 

He said nine Thai-registered airlines have so far received the AOC, with a few more expected to follow in September, and a few others in October. The flight prohibition comes from the incompletion of the evaluation process which may have occurred due to delays in the submission of a case from the affected airlines and the shortage of eligible officials. 

The CAAT is now processing the AOC cases based on the number of passengers the airline carried in 2016. The CAAT has ensured all airlines have sufficient safety standards to operate domestic flights for the time being and that measures for compensation to affected airlines will be issued after the ICAO has removed the significant safety concern (SSC) status from Thailand.

 

-- nnt 2017-09-07

[darksidedog]

It would be nice to know who the airlines concerned are. I am not too sure I would be comfortable flying even domestically with an airline that doesn't have a certificate confirming it is adhering to proper safety and operational standards.

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

It would be nice to know who the airlines concerned are. I am not too sure I would be comfortable flying even domestically with an airline that doesn't have a certificate confirming it is adhering to proper safety and operational standards.

Did you miss the other thread?

 

Airlines with ICAO certification in place (operating normally):

Thai Airways International, Bangkok Airways, Thai AirAsia, Thai AirAsia X, NokScoot, NokAir, Thai Smile Airways, Thai Lion Air and Sabaidee or New Gen Airways.

(A loose collective of all the major carriers that the average flying TV member uses)

Airlines awaiting ICAO re-certification (operations suspended):

Orient Thai Airlines, Thai VietJet Air, Siam Air Transport, Mjets, K-Mile Air, Jet Asia Airways, AC Aviation, Siam Land Flying, Asia Atlantic Airlines, VIP Jets, H.S. Aviation, Advance Aviation and Skyview Airways
(A loose collective of charter, cargo, LCC and other minor carriers that the average flying TV member didn't even know existed).

 

All of the above information was already posted, quoted or linked to elsewhere in this overly long thread.

 

Disclaimer: Any use or claim of the above information as the basis of an official or approved public statement is up to you.

[Ricardo]

Vietjet are still operating international-routes out of Thailand, using their parent-company's planes, while Thai Vietjet expands its domestic-operations as new aircraft join the fleet, for example currently four flights daily to/from Chiang Mai.

[bkkcanuck8]

3 hours ago, Ricardo said:

Vietjet are still operating international-routes out of Thailand, using their parent-company's planes, while Thai Vietjet expands its domestic-operations as new aircraft join the fleet, for example currently four flights daily to/from Chiang Mai.

That is great to hear, it is the only airline that came close to being on that list that I have flown on before.  I am cheap, as long as it does not crash often... the odds on any single flight crashing more than those that are certified are not that much of a difference.  (i.e. if a plane crashes 0.0005% of the time and a bad airline is double that.... still great odds  )

[tigermoth]

CAAT is talking BS. There is no difference in the safety standards required between international and domestic operations. They are bound to disclose which airlines are involved and those airlines should not be flying anywhere. They should all be grounded.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 hours ago, tigermoth said:

CAAT is talking BS. There is no difference in the safety standards required between international and domestic operations. They are bound to disclose which airlines are involved and those airlines should not be flying anywhere. They should all be grounded.

Even for those carriers that have not received their new operating licenses yet, the CAAT prohibition only applies to international flights, and doesn't affect any domestic flights at all by those carriers. As noted above, only Orient Thai and Thai VietJet would be likely carriers anyone here would use. And Thai VietJet has already made alternate arrangements (their Vietnam parent company) for their one international route.

 

However, that notwithstanding, none of these articles have really clarified why it should be OK for these mostly little known carriers to operate domestically when they don't have Thai operating licenses.

 

[RC8]

I think this explains it well.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://to70.com/red-flag-audit-helps-thailand-to-achieve-a-new-level-in-aviation-safety/&ved=0ahUKEwiGyKfw1JPWAhWMPRoKHSbGBToQFggiMAI&usg=AFQjCNHLyoJHmz7pyJvsLG0Jtx8l3mNSTw

 

 

[Ricardo]

From that link  ...  " All 41 air operators currently operating in Thailand were required to be recertified and inspected by the CAAT to ensure that all air operators in Thailand strictly complied with the aviation safety standards and recommended practices of ICAO. "

 

So one might wonder why CAAT subsequently hasn't recertified/inspected all of the Thai airlines by now ?

 

It cannot be because there are still insufficient resources/knowledge available, can it ?

[thedemon]

3 hours ago, Ricardo said:

From that link  ...  " All 41 air operators currently operating in Thailand were required to be recertified and inspected by the CAAT to ensure that all air operators in Thailand strictly complied with the aviation safety standards and recommended practices of ICAO. "

 

So one might wonder why CAAT subsequently hasn't recertified/inspected all of the Thai airlines by now ?

 

It cannot be because there are still insufficient resources/knowledge available, can it ?

That link...... is to an article that is a year old.

 

The Thai CAAT has been completely restructured over the last couple of years. So much so that the organisation bears little resemblance to it's former self.

 

Believe me they are trying hard. Give them a break.