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[attrayant]

19 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

i seem to recall this fiasco legislation Lost 24 million ; at the minimum, increased already super high health premiums there

 

Then why do you suppose it's so popular?

 

After repeal scare, Obamacare has never been more popular

 

 

And just think, if congress would work to improve it, it would get even more popular.

[Jingthing]

22 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

i seem to recall this fiasco legislation Lost 24 million ; at the minimum, increased already super high health premiums there

Speaking of ACA that description is simplistic and false. But short of a Canadian type system which is the only real answer yes ACA requires government support and adjustments. Not repeal. 

[ilostmypassword]

27 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

i seem to recall this fiasco legislation Lost 24 million ; at the minimum, increased already super high health premiums there

Which  are you referring to? The ACA (Obamacare or projections about the effects of the Republicans' proposed legislation? Because the latter actually would result in over 20,000,000 losing insurance.

[Jingthing]

Like I said trump has the morality of a cockroach. 

 

No offense to cockroaches. 

 

https://slate.com/business/2017/09/the-trump-administration-will-shut-down-healthcare-gov-on-sundays.html

 

Obamacare Repeal Might Be Dead. Trump’s Effort to Sabotage the Law Is Very Much Alive.

"Anyway, welcome to 2017, in which we have an executive branch fighting tooth and nail to make it harder for Americans to buy the health insurance to which they’re legally entitled." 

Edited September 23, 2017 by Jingthing

[backinthesaddle]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Thank you, John McCain.

Again.

McCain is NOT a hero, he is nothing less than a war criminal for his actions in nam, he was destroying targets in nam that were off limits! he should be jailed!

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, backinthesaddle said:

McCain is NOT a hero, he is nothing less than a war criminal for his actions in nam, he was destroying targets in nam that were off limits! he should be jailed!

I was talking about his votes. The topic isn't related to his war record. 

[Scott]

Off-topic post and replies removed.  

 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, backinthesaddle said:

McCain is NOT a hero, he is nothing less than a war criminal for his actions in nam, he was destroying targets in nam that were off limits! he should be jailed!

Whilst it's Off Topic I trust the Mod will permit a reply to refute misinformation. The claim has been promulgated by Trump supporters and is judged as false.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/warcriminal.asp

 

Edited September 23, 2017 by simple1

[inThailand]

Why can't the two houses get together on a nonpartisan topic like health care and come up with a sensible plan?

 

If a war starts these idiots should be on the front line.

[selftaopath]

12 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

And so can Hawaii!

 

http://theweek.com/speedreads/726094/new-draft-republican-healthcare-bill-reportedly-let-alaska-hawaii-keep-obamacare

Why doesn't the congress give up their, tax payer paid, health care? 

[YetAnother]

On 9/21/2017 at 1:33 PM, hawker9000 said:

If Obama and that loon Jimmy Kimmel are panning it, then it must be worthwhile.  Pass it!

 

totally agree, what the worst president in recent US history , who has completed his term,opposes, i am for

Edited September 24, 2017 by YetAnother

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

totally agree, what the worst president in recent US history , who has completed his term,opposes, i am for

So very rational. 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Jingthing

[Rancid]

The great irony of all "healthcare" systems in all countries is of course that they have nothing to do with health, they are sick-care systems designed purely to enrich the pharmaceutical medical system.

 

Any true healthcare system would be addressing to causes of ill health as opposed to medicating the symptoms. A society where people took individual responsibility for their own health could easily afford free medical required for accidents, genetic problems etc. What it cannot afford is a massive income stream from taxpayers to the medical industry, an industry that looks for ongoing treatments rather than actual cures.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Rancid said:

The great irony of all "healthcare" systems in all countries is of course that they have nothing to do with health, they are sick-care systems designed purely to enrich the pharmaceutical medical system.

 

Any true healthcare system would be addressing to causes of ill health as opposed to medicating the symptoms. A society where people took individual responsibility for their own health could easily afford free medical required for accidents, genetic problems etc. What it cannot afford is a massive income stream from taxpayers to the medical industry, an industry that looks for ongoing treatments rather than actual cures.

"Any true healthcare system would be addressing to causes of ill health"

That is happening more and more, IMO mostly forced due to rising costs of the 'sickcare systems'.

 

I do agree in part with what you're saying, but this part 'designed purely to enrich the pharmaceutical medical system' I strongly disagree with.

[iReason]

[attrayant]

2 hours ago, Rancid said:

The great irony of all "healthcare" systems in all countries is of course that they have nothing to do with health, they are sick-care systems designed purely to enrich the pharmaceutical medical system.

 

I'm almost afraid to ask, but how do vaccines fit into that conspiracy theory?

[ilostmypassword]

5 hours ago, YetAnother said:

totally agree, what the worst president in recent US history , who has completed his term,opposes, i am for

Yes, we should never forgive Obama for turning a budget surplus into deficits, for launching a major war that had disastrous consequences for the Mideast, and abandoning pretty much any oversight of Wall street before the debacle of 2007. Bad Obama.

[Credo]

It doesn't look good for the next attempt to get rid of Obamacare.   Ted Cruz is not planning on voting for the new bill, joining John McCain and a possibly a few other Republicans.

 

Without a doubt, Trump is the Great Divider, he can't even unite his party around much of anything.   

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4915226/Cruz-opposes-Senate-GOP-health-care-plan-right-now.html

[kiwiaussie]

16 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Yes, we should never forgive Obama for turning a budget surplus into deficits, for launching a major war that had disastrous consequences for the Mideast, and abandoning pretty much any oversight of Wall street before the debacle of 2007. Bad Obama.

Don't forget that he took his eye off the ball and allowed September 11 to happen. 

 

MAGA!!!!

Edited September 25, 2017 by kiwiaussie

[selftaopath]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

It doesn't look good for the next attempt to get rid of Obamacare.   Ted Cruz is not planning on voting for the new bill, joining John McCain and a possibly a few other Republicans.

 

Without a doubt, Trump is the Great Divider, he can't even unite his party around much of anything.   

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4915226/Cruz-opposes-Senate-GOP-health-care-plan-right-now.html

45 is doing exactly what his boss i.e. Putin wants. He is undermining the American way of life, rule of law, and democracy while amassing great wealth for himself/family/defenders. His only mission is to destroy as much as he can and as quickly as he can. If he can cause enough mayhem maybe he can find reason to declare a national emergency giving himself and he clan followers full control of government.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, kiwiaussie said:

Don't forget that he took his eye off the ball and allowed September 11 to happen. 

 

MAGA!!!!

He? You mean George W. Bush?

Your post takes the cake. Thanks for the laugh. 

[kiwiaussie]

52 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He? You mean George W. Bush?

Your post takes the cake. Thanks for the laugh. 

Yes. 9/11 and the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.

 

It is on infowars. 

 

MAGA. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, kiwiaussie said:

Yes. 9/11 and the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.

 

It is on infowars. 

 

MAGA. 

OK, got it now, satire boy. 

[WaywardWind]

2 hours ago, kiwiaussie said:

Don't forget that he took his eye off the ball and allowed September 11 to happen. 

 

MAGA!!!!

Just prior to the election I saw an interview on TV of a guy at a Trump rally - had the T-shirt, the hat, etc. - and he said he was really angry at Obama for going golfing on 9-11 instead of staying at the White House where he belonged. The interviewer was stunned speechless.

 

Me too.

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, kiwiaussie said:

Yes. 9/11 and the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.

 

It is on infowars. 

 

MAGA. 

So you believe George Bush was President during WW1? That does better explain the racism of the President serving at that time.

[kiwiaussie]

5 hours ago, WaywardWind said:

Just prior to the election I saw an interview on TV of a guy at a Trump rally - had the T-shirt, the hat, etc. - and he said he was really angry at Obama for going golfing on 9-11 instead of staying at the White House where he belonged. The interviewer was stunned speechless.

 

Me too.

Basically where I got the idea for my post from. 

[kiwiaussie]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

OK, got it now, satire boy. 

Probably didn't help that I posted before your first coffee of the day. Glad you got the joke, eventually. 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, kiwiaussie said:

Probably didn't help that I posted before your first coffee of the day. Glad you got the joke, eventually. 

The first one wasn't obvious. Many trumpists actually do blame Obama for 9-11 and think he was president then. Yes, they are that stupid! For real. 

[Skywalker69]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The first one wasn't obvious. Many trumpists actually do blame Obama for 9-11 and think he was president then. Yes, they are that stupid! For real. 

Watch at 3.32 The guy is nuts!