Trump cranks up N.Korea threats as Pyongyang holds anti-U.S. rally

[webfact]

Trump cranks up N.Korea threats as Pyongyang holds anti-U.S. rally

By Haejin Choi and Michelle Nichols

 

U.S. President Donald Trump says North Korea’s Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho and leader Kim Jong Un “won’t be around much longer” if Ri echoed the thoughts of “Little Rocket Man”, an apparent reference to Kim.

 

SEOUL/UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump dialled up the rhetoric against North Korea again at the weekend, warning the country's foreign minister that he and leader Kim Jong Un "won't be around much longer", as Pyongyang staged a major anti-U.S. rally.

 

North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told the United Nations General Assembly on Saturday that targeting the U.S. mainland with its rockets was inevitable after "Mr Evil President" Trump called Pyongyang's leader a "rocket man" on a suicide mission.

 

"Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!" Trump said on Twitter late on Saturday.

 

Trump and Kim have traded increasingly threatening and personal insults as Pyongyang races towards its goal of developing a nuclear-tipped missile capable of reaching the United States - something Trump has vowed to prevent.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin on Sunday tried to dial back Trump's comments.

 

"The president doesn't want to be in a nuclear war and we will do everything we can to make sure that doesn't occur," he said on ABC News. "On the other hand, the president will protect the American people and our allies."

 

Analysts say the heated rhetoric is increasing the risk of a miscalculation by one side or the other that could have massive repercussions.

 

North Korea's state-run television KRT aired a video on Sunday showing tens of thousands of people attending an anti-U.S. rally at Kim Il Sung square in Pyongyang.

 

The North's official KCNA news agency said more than 100,000 people gathered for the rally on Saturday and delivered speeches supporting comments made by Kim earlier in the week.

 

"We are waiting for the right time to have a final battle with the U.S., the evil empire, and to remove the U.S. from the world," KCNA quoted Ri Il-bae, a commanding officer of the Red Guards, as saying. "Once respected Supreme commander Kim Jong Un gives an order, we will annihilate the group of aggressors."

 

UNPRECEDENTED

 

In an unprecedented direct statement on Friday, Kim described Trump as a "mentally deranged U.S. dotard" whom he would tame with fire.

 

Kim said the North would consider the "highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history" against the United States and that Trump's comments had confirmed his nuclear programme was "the correct path".

 

Trump threatened in his maiden U.N. address on Tuesday to "totally destroy" the country of 26 million people if North Korea threatened the United States or its allies.

 

It was not clear from Trump's latest tweet if he was referring to Ri and Kim, or North Korea more broadly.

 

North Korea conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear bomb test on Sept. 3, prompting another round of U.N. sanctions. Pyongyang said on Friday it might test a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific Ocean.

 

"It is only a forlorn hope to consider any chance that the DPRK (North Korea) would be shaken an inch or change its stance due to the harsher sanctions by the hostile forces," Ri told the U.N. General Assembly on Saturday.

 

BOMBERS

 

U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer bombers escorted by fighters flew in international airspace over waters east of North Korea on Saturday in a show of force the Pentagon said indicated the range of military options available to Trump.

 

The U.S. bombers' flight was the farthest north of the demilitarized zone separating North and South Korea that any U.S. fighter jet or bomber had flown in the 21st century, the Pentagon said.

 

Officials and experts said a small earthquake near North Korea's nuclear test site on Saturday was probably not man-made, easing fears Pyongyang had exploded another nuclear bomb just weeks after its previous one. [L4N1M409X]

The United States and South Korea are technically still at war with North Korea because the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended with a truce and not a peace treaty.

 

The North accuses the United States, which has 28,500 troops in South Korea, of planning to invade and regularly threatens to destroy it and its Asian allies.

 

(Reporting by Haejin Choi in Seoul and Michelle Nichols at the United Nations; Additional reporting and writing by Lincoln Feast in Sydney, addtional reporting by Rick Cowan and Valerie Volcovici in Washington; Editing by Paul Tait and Grant McCool)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-25

 

[craigt3365]

Can we pass a new law prohibiting Trump from using Twitter?  Maybe from even talking? LOL

[canuckamuck]

This is quite a circus, fascinating stuff. 

 

22 minutes ago, webfact said:

"We are waiting for the right time to have a final battle with the U.S., the evil empire, and to remove the U.S. from the world,"

This kind of stuff has to be accepted by the NK citizens, because they have no information other than state broadcasts. But for a statesman at the UN to say this kind of silly thing is very curious. I am not an American cheerleader, but the American armed forces could be told to stand down and the NK would still find it impossible to destroy America. The multiple varieties of paramilitary, the militarized police forces, rednecks, antifa and the gangbangers would prove impenetrable. Although the snowflakes might run interference. 

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

This is quite a circus, fascinating stuff. 

 

This kind of stuff has to be accepted by the NK citizens, because they have no information other than state broadcasts. But for a statesman at the UN to say this kind of silly thing is very curious. I am not an American cheerleader, but the American armed forces could be told to stand down and the NK would still find it impossible to destroy America. The multiple varieties of paramilitary, the militarized police forces, rednecks, antifa and the gangbangers would prove impenetrable. Although the snowflakes might run interference. 

Snowflakes is a derogatory term. 

 

Given enough time, NK could find a way to launch a nuke that could hit the US.  And a lot of the rest of the world.  That's what the UN is worried about.  And trying to prevent.  Thus, the numerous resolutions from the UN.

[canuckamuck]

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10 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Snowflakes is a derogatory term. 

 

Given enough time, NK could find a way to launch a nuke that could hit the US.  And a lot of the rest of the world.  That's what the UN is worried about.  And trying to prevent.  Thus, the numerous resolutions from the UN.

Obviously! it is meant to be derogatory, like right wing nut job, trumpeter, feminazi, or libtard. Maybe I should said have SJW. All these terms are used daily on forums.

 

Anyhow I understand that given enough time he could amass enough weapons to do huge damage. But the man is talking like they are present day same-level opponents. That is what is so curious.  Whereas No one has any doubt that America could eliminate North Korea if it had the political will to do so.

 

 

[Scott]

No some of those terms aren't used and aren't allowed and will earn a suspension.  You will see some of the terms only until they get removed and then you won't see the one who posted them for a time.

 

Please stay on topic and keep it civil.

 

[boomerangutang]

Even if N.Korea does nothing (as it has been doing for past decades), the US is weakening as a Nation.  The best think Kim can do, if he wants to witness the debilitation of the US, is sit back, watch old Hollywood shoot-em-up movies, and sip Couvoisier with several pretty girls stroking his hair.

Here are some of the ways the US is weakening:

>>>>  Obesity is everywhere. With obesity, comes sickness, inability to function.

>>>>  Many Americans can't afford health care, regardless of which system is put in place.

>>>>  Most Americans (incl. rich people) are on one or more hand-out programs from Feds and States

>>>>  Hyper investment in military doesn't guarantee the best fighting forces.  One of many examples: at least two USN fighting ships have been put out of commission recently, outside of combat.

>>>>  Mental illness is more rampant in the US, week by week.

>>>>  Suicides and deaths by drugs (pharma, alcohol, fentanyl and illegal drugs) is skyrocketing.

 

For decades, the US economy has been floated upon willingness of foreign countries to invest in T-Bills. Two things about that are changing.  A. Foreigners (countries, corps and rich people) are less eager to buy T-Bills, and B. Trump is hinting about letting the Feds default on T-Bills pay-outs.  Without trillions of outside money flooding in, the US economy will decline to a level akin with Brazil.  

 

If you want to see a vibrant society, with healthy adults and children, bright-eyed, of good cheer, check out rural Burma.  I was just there for 2 weeks. On a scale of 1 to 10 (ten being highest), Burmese score 9, whereas Americans and Europeans score 3.   Both physically and mentally, dirt-poor village people of a place like Burma score much higher than overweight, sick, anxiety-addled, mentally dull people of the US or Europe.

 

[tonray]

Apparentlt Munchkin is the only sycophant willing to defend him anymore. When you need to send your Treasury Secretary out to defend your statements on NK and the NFL, some might say there is a command and control problem in the White House.

[darksidedog]

With pretty much the whole world saying that cutting out the bellicose rhetoric is the smart thing to do, Donald reacts like an aggrieved little boy and elevates the tensions once again. I wish someone would break his fingers and thumbs to stop the stupid tweets a little.

[canuckamuck]

3 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

With pretty much the whole world saying that cutting out the bellicose rhetoric is the smart thing to do, Donald reacts like an aggrieved little boy and elevates the tensions once again. I wish someone would break his fingers and thumbs to stop the stupid tweets a little.

The only way to explain it is that he has decided this war is good for him. But better if he gets them to draw first.

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

The only way to explain it is that he has decided this war is good for him. But better if he gets them to draw first.

Or has decided hyping it like this pumps up his approval ratings?  At least with his minority base.

[BuaBS]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

"We are waiting for the right time to have a final battle with the U.S., the evil empire, and to remove the U.S. from the world,"

Maybe 1/3 of the world agrees with that.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Or has decided hyping it like this pumps up his approval ratings?  At least with his minority base.

I think that's it, he only cares about one thing: himself, and this rhetoric and hightened tensions are doing him good.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  

[sawadeeken]

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Even if N.Korea does nothing (as it has been doing for past decades), the US is weakening as a Nation.  The best think Kim can do, if he wants to witness the debilitation of the US, is sit back, watch old Hollywood shoot-em-up movies, and sip Couvoisier with several pretty girls stroking his hair.

Here are some of the ways the US is weakening:

>>>>  Obesity is everywhere. With obesity, comes sickness, inability to function.

>>>>  Many Americans can't afford health care, regardless of which system is put in place.

>>>>  Most Americans (incl. rich people) are on one or more hand-out programs from Feds and States

>>>>  Hyper investment in military doesn't guarantee the best fighting forces.  One of many examples: at least two USN fighting ships have been put out of commission recently, outside of combat.

>>>>  Mental illness is more rampant in the US, week by week.

>>>>  Suicides and deaths by drugs (pharma, alcohol, fentanyl and illegal drugs) is skyrocketing.

 

For decades, the US economy has been floated upon willingness of foreign countries to invest in T-Bills. Two things about that are changing.  A. Foreigners (countries, corps and rich people) are less eager to buy T-Bills, and B. Trump is hinting about letting the Feds default on T-Bills pay-outs.  Without trillions of outside money flooding in, the US economy will decline to a level akin with Brazil.  

 

If you want to see a vibrant society, with healthy adults and children, bright-eyed, of good cheer, check out rural Burma.  I was just there for 2 weeks. On a scale of 1 to 10 (ten being highest), Burmese score 9, whereas Americans and Europeans score 3.   Both physically and mentally, dirt-poor village people of a place like Burma score much higher than overweight, sick, anxiety-addled, mentally dull people of the US or Europe.

 

Then as I listen to you it sounds like 'IF' for some reason you 'had to choose' between keeping your present citizenship or 'another' citizenship....

Than you would choose Burma (rather than the United States)........... To each his own........ "Burmese score 9, whereas Americans and Europeans score 3"...........  Are you sincere or joking?????????

I have been to Burma but Love Thailand best...... But I am an 'American' who has traveled to 89 countries of the world and not found a one of them (including yours very likely) I would trade my citizenship (or allegiance) for....... As an 'American' I will be the 'first' to admit that 'America' is not perfect...... But can you show me any country on this 'planet' that is 'more perfect' (overall)........ This is an 'earnest challenge' for you,,,,,,,,

If you reply.... Please .... no one liners...... describe what you think.... NOT just "There are 14 places better" or similar.....

[boomerangutang]

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

With pretty much the whole world saying that cutting out the bellicose rhetoric is the smart thing to do, Donald reacts like an aggrieved little boy and elevates the tensions once again. I wish someone would break his fingers and thumbs to stop the stupid tweets a little.

 

42 minutes ago, sawadeeken said:

Then as I listen to you it sounds like 'IF' for some reason you 'had to choose' between keeping your present citizenship or 'another' citizenship....

Than you would choose Burma (rather than the United States)........... To each his own........ "Burmese score 9, whereas Americans and Europeans score 3"...........  Are you sincere or joking?????????

I have been to Burma but Love Thailand best...... But I am an 'American' who has traveled to 89 countries of the world and not found a one of them (including yours very likely) I would trade my citizenship (or allegiance) for....... As an 'American' I will be the 'first' to admit that 'America' is not perfect...... But can you show me any country on this 'planet' that is 'more perfect' (overall)........ This is an 'earnest challenge' for you,,,,,,,,

If you reply.... Please .... no one liners...... describe what you think.... NOT just "There are 14 places better" or similar.....

Ok, like a kitten with a red rubber ball rolling in front of it, I'll accept your challenge.....

I am an American.  Born in Denmark, 'naturalized' age 12.  It's not a question of which country I love the best.  I was commenting about mental and physical health.  I'll reiterate it:  Dirt-poor Burmese, on average, score much higher re; mental & physical health.  Obesity and anxiety levels are through-the-roof in the US.  I know Americans in their 40's who act like sickly 80 year olds - barely able to walk across a room, and with coffee tables covered with pills - legal and illegal.  'Psychic sickness' (ok, I'll coin that term) is rampant in the US. If you can show me one American without deep mental worries, I'll bake you a cake.   

 

In contrast, if you hang anywhere outside of a war zone in Burma, you'll see unmedicated folks, all ages, who are contentedly going about their days - grinning, gossiping, being gentle, walking lightly, .......

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

 

Ok, like a kitten with a red rubber ball rolling in front of it, I'll accept your challenge.....

I am an American.  Born in Denmark, 'naturalized' age 12.  It's not a question of which country I love the best.  I was commenting about mental and physical health.  I'll reiterate it:  Dirt-poor Burmese, on average, score much higher re; mental & physical health.  Obesity and anxiety levels are through-the-roof in the US.  I know Americans in their 40's who act like sickly 80 year olds - barely able to walk across a room, and with coffee tables covered with pills - legal and illegal.  'Psychic sickness' (ok, I'll coin that term) is rampant in the US. If you can show me one American without deep mental worries, I'll bake you a cake.   

 

In contrast, if you hang anywhere outside of a war zone in Burma, you'll see unmedicated folks, all ages, who are contentedly going about their days - grinning, gossiping, being gentle, walking lightly, .......

Having been to Burma, and over 100 other countries in the past 17 years or so, I don't agree with your generalizations.  Yes, the Burmese are great people.  Like those from most other nations.  And yes, Americans are obese.  Like those from many other nations.  It's a global problem.  But I know many American's in their 70's who'd run circles around you.  And I know few with deep mental worries.  Perhaps it's just the company I keep.

 

There are good and bad people in every country.

 

 

[boomerangutang]

4 hours ago, darksidedog said:

 I wish someone would break his fingers and thumbs to stop the stupid tweets a little.

I rather like that Don tweets. Four prime reasons:  

A. Like a pressure cooker, if he didn't have an outlet for his peurile covfefe tweets, his head might explode.  We wouldn't want that, would we? 

 

B.  It's entertaining. And it let's us see where his ire is directed.  All his decisions are wrong, so if we (general public) have an idea where he next directs his wrong-headed attack, we may be better able to nix it.   If you're a coach of a sports team, you want to know what the adversary team's coach is planning.

 

C.  it keeps him from getting much done in D.C.  Thus far, he hasn't gotten any legislation passed.  

 

D.  It's fodder for late night talk show hosts.  Covfefe.  

 

Note, one of Trump's aide's recently revealed that Trump announced loudly (in private, in the Oval Office) "people f@#&ing hate me!"   In my view, that's an improvement.  It shows that Trump is getting the message, even though his aides are trying to shield him from all realities.   It's another step towards Trump stepping down.

 

 

[boomerangutang]

4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

 But I know many American's in their 70's who'd run circles around you. 

I'm in my 60's and sometimes go out to climb 90 meter straight-up cliffs with no safety gear - non-stop from ground to summit.  It would be pretty hard to run circles around me when I'm up on a crag.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, boomerangutang said:

I'm in my 60's and sometimes go out to climb 90 meter straight-up cliffs with no safety gear - non-stop from ground to summit.  It would be pretty hard to run circles around me when I'm up on a crag.

Impressive!!!!!!  I'm from California.  Many are in really good shape there.  As you probably know.  Other states?  Well....not such good shape.

[tonray]

34 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

 

Ok, like a kitten with a red rubber ball rolling in front of it, I'll accept your challenge.....

I am an American.  Born in Denmark, 'naturalized' age 12.  It's not a question of which country I love the best.  I was commenting about mental and physical health.  I'll reiterate it:  Dirt-poor Burmese, on average, score much higher re; mental & physical health.  Obesity and anxiety levels are through-the-roof in the US.  I know Americans in their 40's who act like sickly 80 year olds - barely able to walk across a room, and with coffee tables covered with pills - legal and illegal.  'Psychic sickness' (ok, I'll coin that term) is rampant in the US. If you can show me one American without deep mental worries, I'll bake you a cake.   

 

In contrast, if you hang anywhere outside of a war zone in Burma, you'll see unmedicated folks, all ages, who are contentedly going about their days - grinning, gossiping, being gentle, walking lightly, .......

Maybe they have more time to concentrate on healthy living when they have someone to tell them how to think and what they can and cannot do or say.

[Thaidream]

This is a rather silly argument because the average person and certainly not people 60 and above are going to be fighting anyone.  If a war erupts- it will be the military who fights and I can guarantee you that the US military is able and ready both physically and mentally to destroy North Korea if that is what is ordered.

 

While I would agree with some of the generalizations about Americans and Europeans both physically and mentally- it is just that- a generalisation.  I am over 70 and can do just about everything I could do when I was in my 30's. I am not a psychiatric case nor mentally neurotic. There are plenty of people like me and plenty like the poster described. If one wants to discuss the decline in Western civilization that is another topic. All great civilisations have eventually destroyed themselves be it Europeans or Asians or eventually Americans.

 

The real issue is how to reach a settlement of the N Korean issue without anyone going to war and a loss of life. How do we get the potential combatants to sit down and foment an agreement. Trump may have been the great negotiator when he was buying real estate in New York but he knows nothing about negotiating life and death. However, he is surrounded by 3 military generals who certainly will not allow him to pull the trigger on anything except if absolutely necessary.  

 

I really wish Trump would keep quiet and stop  with his comments about what the Us can do to NK- we all know that already and so does NK.   President  Theodore Roosevelt -around the beginning of the 20th century stated that 'America should speak softly but carry a big stick'.

That  definitely applies to this situation . It's real difficult to negotiate when both parties are yelling at each other.  Time to cool the rhetoric and get to the negotiating table.  

 

[selftaopath]

45 and John Un have a common habit of clapping endlessly for no apparent reason. They appear and start clapping. What are they clapping about? 45 is probably giving himself applause for ???? walking? having clothes on???? Not sure. 

[selftaopath]

8 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Or has decided hyping it like this pumps up his approval ratings?  At least with his minority base.

Also it draws attention from the "act of war" by Russia and possibly collusion in 45's regime. He doesn't like new a/b the election being influenced by our enemy well not his enemy.

[sawadeeken]

22 hours ago, Thaidream said:

This is a rather silly argument because the average person and certainly not people 60 and above are going to be fighting anyone.  If a war erupts- it will be the military who fights and I can guarantee you that the US military is able and ready both physically and mentally to destroy North Korea if that is what is ordered.

 

While I would agree with some of the generalizations about Americans and Europeans both physically and mentally- it is just that- a generalisation.  I am over 70 and can do just about everything I could do when I was in my 30's. I am not a psychiatric case nor mentally neurotic. There are plenty of people like me and plenty like the poster described. If one wants to discuss the decline in Western civilization that is another topic. All great civilisations have eventually destroyed themselves be it Europeans or Asians or eventually Americans.

 

The real issue is how to reach a settlement of the N Korean issue without anyone going to war and a loss of life. How do we get the potential combatants to sit down and foment an agreement. Trump may have been the great negotiator when he was buying real estate in New York but he knows nothing about negotiating life and death. However, he is surrounded by 3 military generals who certainly will not allow him to pull the trigger on anything except if absolutely necessary.  

 

I really wish Trump would keep quiet and stop  with his comments about what the Us can do to NK- we all know that already and so does NK.   President  Theodore Roosevelt -around the beginning of the 20th century stated that 'America should speak softly but carry a big stick'.

That  definitely applies to this situation . It's real difficult to negotiate when both parties are yelling at each other.  Time to cool the rhetoric and get to the negotiating table.  

 

To paint a picture that says it all............

You would paint a picture of 'Kim as a mosquito' biting Trump on his 'money grabbing' hand..........

[Chip Allen]

Risky business.

[puck2]

On 25.9.2017 at 7:12 AM, craigt3365 said:

Can we pass a new law prohibiting Trump from using Twitter?  Maybe from even talking? LOL

The best way to solve the problem would be

 

(......... in theory)

from www.spiegel.de

Edited September 26, 2017 by puck2