Jews around world concerned by far-right breakthrough in German election

[webfact]

Jews around world concerned by far-right breakthrough in German election

 

Election campaign bus of Germany's far-right Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) in Frankfurt Oder, Germany, September 11, 2017. REUTERS/Michelle Martin

 

BRUSSELS/BERLIN (Reuters) - Jewish groups in Europe and the United States expressed alarm on Sunday at the far-right Alternative for Germany's success in Germany's parliamentary election and urged other parties not to form an alliance with the AfD.

 

Early projections gave the AfD 13.5 percent of the vote, allowing it to enter the Bundestag for the first time, as Germany's third-biggest party.

 

The far-right has not been represented in parliament since the 1950s, a reflection of Germany's efforts to distance itself from the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust.

 

Ronald Lauder, president of the New York-based World Jewish Congress, called Chancellor Angela Merkel a "true friend of Israel and the Jewish people" and decried the AfD's gains at a time when anti-Semitism was increasing across the globe.

 

"It is abhorrent that the AfD party, a disgraceful reactionary movement which recalls the worst of Germany’s past and should be outlawed, now has the ability within the German parliament to promote its vile platform," Lauder said.

 

The AfD, which has surged in the two years since Merkel left Germany's borders open to more than 1 million migrants mainly fleeing Middle East wars, says immigration jeopardises Germany's culture but denies it is racist or anti-Semitic.

The European Jewish Congress urged centrist parties to stick to their vows to avoid forming coalitions with the AfD.

 

"Some of the positions it has espoused during the election campaign display alarming levels of intolerance not seen in Germany for many decades and which are, of course, of great concerns to German and European Jews."

 

The Central Council of Jews in Germany said the election results had confirmed its worst fears and urged other parties to remain united in opposing the AfD.

 

"A party that tolerates right-wing extremist thinking in its ranks and incites hatred against minorities ...will now be represented in parliament and nearly all state legislatures," the group's president Josef Schuster said in a statement.

 

"I expect our democratic forces to expose the true nature of the AfD and its empty, populist promises," he added.

 

Germany, home today to an estimated 200,000 Jews, has built a reputation in recent decades as a tolerant, safe place for Jews to live, but official data show anti-Semitic crimes reported to the police rising 4 percent to 681 in the first eight months of 2017 against the same period last year.

 

(Reporting by Francesco Guarascio in Brussels and Andrea Shalal in Berlin; Editing by Kevin Liffey and Peter Graff)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-25

[sweatalot]

The AFD are the only one who represent the will of the (undeluded) people who do not want to be islamised. The rest is deluded. Intolerance against invaders should be common sense.

 

What intolerance do the AFD show against Jews?

Do they say Hitler's actions were right?

[Roadman]

Perhaps its the comments made from within their hierarchy that Germans should be proud of what they did during the two WW's. The consensus taken from that is that one should be proud of gasing Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. 

[sweatalot]

2 minutes ago, Roadman said:

Perhaps its the comments made from within their hierarchy that Germans should be proud of what they did during the two WW's. The consensus taken from that is that one should be proud of gasing Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. 

can't believe - may be inventions by mainstream press

[4737 Carlin]

They needn't worry - they'll still have their Jewish ethnostate long after Europe is part of the Islamic caliphate. Unfortunately, the Europeans don't have an Israel to flee to.

[halloween]

15 minutes ago, Roadman said:

Perhaps its the comments made from within their hierarchy that Germans should be proud of what they did during the two WW's. The consensus taken from that is that one should be proud of gasing Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. 

It could also include machine-gunning Slavs, or simply pride in their military service. who knows what far right knobheads mean.

[halloween]

3 hours ago, sweatalot said:

The AFD are the only one who represent the will of the (undeluded) people who do not want to be islamised. The rest is deluded. Intolerance against invaders should be common sense.

 

What intolerance do the AFD show against Jews?

Do they say Hitler's actions were right?

Have to agree. While their general attitude is both anti-Semitic and anti-Hamitic (north africans) that is expressed as anti-immigrant rather than any malevolence towards Jewish citizens.

[puck2]

20 minutes ago, Roadman said:

Perhaps its the comments made from within their hierarchy that Germans should be proud of what they did during the two WW's. The consensus taken from that is that one should be proud of gasing Jews, gypsies and homosexuals. 

Are you able to improve this?

[ilostmypassword]

Here's something about an email from Alice Wiedel:

"The email described German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government as "pigs" who were nothing more than "puppets of WWII allies." It continued to say Merkel's government was given the task of limiting the population of the German "Volk," or people.

The email's original text in German uses several words with strong Nazi-era connotations, including "Überfremdung," which roughly translates to "foreign infiltration" and is used in far-right circles to stir xenophobic sentiment."

http://www.dw.com/en/afds-alice-weidel-called-german-government-pigs-in-racist-email/a-40433932

Sounds like neo-Nazism.

[halloween]

7 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here's something about an email from Alice Wiedel:

"The email described German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government as "pigs" who were nothing more than "puppets of WWII allies." It continued to say Merkel's government was given the task of limiting the population of the German "Volk," or people.

The email's original text in German uses several words with strong Nazi-era connotations, including "Überfremdung," which roughly translates to "foreign infiltration" and is used in far-right circles to stir xenophobic sentiment."

http://www.dw.com/en/afds-alice-weidel-called-german-government-pigs-in-racist-email/a-40433932

Sounds like neo-Nazism.

How surprising, someone expressing anti-immigrant sentiment being accused of neo-Nazism. You should add fascist, racist, possibly even homophobe, to complete the usual collection of slurs.

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, halloween said:

How surprising, someone expressing anti-immigrant sentiment being accused of neo-Nazism. You should add fascist, racist, possibly even homophobe, to complete the usual collection of slurs.

She didn't just say anti-immigrant things. She did in fact use the usual collections of slurs bandied about by neo nazis. Once again for your dyslexic benefit:

"The email described German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government as "pigs" who were nothing more than "puppets of WWII allies." It continued to say Merkel's government was given the task of limiting the population of the German "Volk," or people.

The email's original text in German uses several words with strong Nazi-era connotations, including "Überfremdung," which roughly translates to "foreign infiltration" and is used in far-right circles to stir xenophobic sentiment."

 

[halloween]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

She didn't just say anti-immigrant things. She did in fact use the usual collections of slurs bandied about by neo nazis. Once again for your dyslexic benefit:

"The email described German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government as "pigs" who were nothing more than "puppets of WWII allies." It continued to say Merkel's government was given the task of limiting the population of the German "Volk," or people.

The email's original text in German uses several words with strong Nazi-era connotations, including "Überfremdung," which roughly translates to "foreign infiltration" and is used in far-right circles to stir xenophobic sentiment."

 

So she a nationalist and anti-immigrant, definitely a neo-nazi then. Do you know a better German word for "foreign infiltration"?

[KhunBENQ]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

The email's original text in German uses several words with strong Nazi-era connotations, including "Überfremdung," which roughly translates to "foreign infiltration" and is used in far-right circles to stir xenophobic sentiment."

True, but the foreign infiltration clearly refers to what happened in 2015 and that's what made the AfD strong.

One of the results is that a huge number (in the 100'000s) of hardcore antisemites have found their way to Germany.

It's already a fact that in certain urban areas Jews are advised not to show their faith by wearing the kippah or the like.

 

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

So she a nationalist and anti-immigrant, definitely a neo-nazi then. Do you know a better German word for "foreign infiltration"?

I like the way you're avoiding her reference to WWII allies and the allegation that she was given the task of limiting the population of the German "volk". Who but a neo-nazi would make reference to WW2 as evidence to bolster her case. What happened to the constrain refrain of the AfD that WWII is a thing of the past?

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

True, but the foreign infiltration clearly refers to what happened in 2015 and that's what made the AfD strong.

One of the results is that a huge number (in the 100'000s) of hardcore antisemites have found their way to Germany.

It's already a fact that in certain urban areas Jews are advised not to show their faith by wearing the kippah or the like.

 

Here's the first meaning of infiltration:

The action of entering or gaining access to an organization or place surreptitiously, especially in order to acquire secret information or cause damage.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/infiltration

And since the article said that this was a Nazi way of describing immigration, or having what they called foreigners in their midst, such as Jews, I suspect there are less pejorative words that can be used.

And whatever the case may be of the anti-semitism of these immigrants, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand which is

 

Jews around world concerned by far-right breakthrough in German election

[halloween]

6 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I like the way you're avoiding her reference to WWII allies and the allegation that she was given the task of limiting the population of the German "volk". Who but a neo-nazi would make reference to WW2 as evidence to bolster her case. What happened to the constrain refrain of the AfD that WWII is a thing of the past?

Don't mention the war, they'll call you a nazi.

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, halloween said:

How surprising, someone expressing anti-immigrant sentiment being accused of neo-Nazism. You should add fascist, racist, possibly even homophobe, to complete the usual collection of slurs.

Quite.

 

A percentage of voters are expressing their displeasure at numerous 'refugees' being invited into their country - most of whom are not genuine refugees.

 

Added to which, a few of these 'refugees'/immigrants are causing serious problems.

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

Don't mention the war, they'll call you a nazi.

When you claim that the enemies of Nazi Germany during WW2 are now the masters of the current government, I'd say that qualifies as a neo-nazi statement.  Again, it's the AfD who claims that WW2 is irrelevant now. Except, apparently, when it isn't.

[halloween]

8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here's the first meaning of infiltration:

The action of entering or gaining access to an organization or place surreptitiously, especially in order to acquire secret information or cause damage.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/infiltration

And since the article said that this was a Nazi way of describing immigration, or having what they called foreigners in their midst, such as Jews, I suspect there are less pejorative words that can be used.

And whatever the case may be of the anti-semitism of these immigrants, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand which is

 

Jews around world concerned by far-right breakthrough in German election

And how would you describe ISIS fighters posing as refugees to enter Europe and carry out attacks?

[puck2]

1. This thread is opened by Reuters „news“, copied by many, many medias. Believing in every point of those agencies doesn't mean that they are correct by 100%. Sometimes you detect they are missing and ignoring important points.

2. Threatening the Jews is not the main agenda of this reactionary movement. The Reuters point that „official data show anti-Semitic crimes reported to the police rising 4 percent to 681 in the first eight months of 2017 against the same period last year.“ is incorrect in this form.. Not all of these crimes don't have a connection to the AfD. In the „Zeit“ journal you can read that there is a higher rise of Anti-Jews crime in English speaking countries than in Germany.

E.g. Reuters forgot to mention the AfD as well as the left-wing Linke have been elected in this poll as a protest against the ruling parties CDU and SPD. This means the protest voters haven't been satisfied by the politics of the 2 coalition parties. And that has nothing to do with Jews. That is one point Reuters didn't name.

3. Correct is that most of these voters didn't like the well-meant attitude of Mrs. Merkel. The state and the bureaucracy haven't been prepared for a controlled immigration of this migrant/refugee wave and was too reluctant to push the economic migrants back.

4. The German government of those days didn't think enough about the real problems that automatically come with the (Muslim) refugees. Among them housing (for more than 1m, suddenly), religion, many children, the majority of male people, standard of education, how the mainly Muslim refugees have to adjust in Germany. And that Germany isn't Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan or Sudan.

5. Although I can understand the sorrows of the Jews (history), there is no verifiable trend of a changing attitude. In Germany there is still a reliable third power in the state, the law abiding one. It seems the AfD will have problems with the existing law.

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

And how would you describe ISIS fighters posing as refugees to enter Europe and carry out attacks?

If in fact, the 1 million or so refugees in Germany were mostly or significant numbers ISIS fighters, they must be the most useless and laziest terrorists in history. I blame the German social welfare system for demoralizing these previously gung-ho fanatics.

Edited September 25, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[Sydebolle]

Well, was to be expected. The door handles to the polling stations are not cold, yet the Nazi clubbing is in full swing already. Meanwhile in third generation - for those bearded ultra-orthodox medievalists - this nasty part of German history is over for more than 70 years and will never happen again. 

To all those ever-wailing Jews out there - I (not German) have never read/heard/saw a single word about anything in relation to semitism whatsoever. AfD is clearly against Islamization which is - like it or not - neither part of German (political) nor Jewish (religious) culture - nothing else was ever said!  

While your brethren of the faith along the east coast of the US and predominantly in Washington are mostly to blame for the tremendous mess in the Middle East I strongly suggest you keep your ever-big mouth shut of once as nobody ever mentioned anything about Semitism, Judaism or similar. 

[Jingthing]

I'm not going to get into all the hot button issues implied in this very bad news from Germany. But I will share my bigger picture impression of general trends.

 

-- Yes, Virginia, a hyper-nationalist far right wing party gaining any power at all in GERMANY, yes dears, specifically GERMANY, naturally brings back some very bad memories for Jewish people. It was thought, naively, that GERMANY of all places, had learned their lesson. Nein. 

 

-- Europe in general, east and west, is not the future of the Jewish people.  Not Germany. Not France. Not the U.K.

 

-- North America and Israel are the only realistic future but these groups are not on the same page.

 

-- In Israel, currently Iran is much more of a worry than internal German politics.

 

-- In the USA, Jews are overwhelmingly mobilized to resist trump, who is seen by many as a leader of white nationalist fascist movement disturbingly similar to you know who. 

 

So I'm both agreeing and disagreeing with the premise of the news story. Yes, global Jews will almost all see a rise in such a party bad news and historically significant because it is in GERMANY, it isn't even close to being (for now anyway) a top priority concern. 

Edited September 25, 2017 by Jingthing

[retarius]

Such parties get votes from voters who feel ignored by the other parties. They quickly lose momentum and never reach a critical mass. As an example UKIP is dead in the UK just after its greatest triumph in the referendum. AfD will be dead in two years.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Well, was to be expected. The door handles to the polling stations are not cold, yet the Nazi clubbing is in full swing already. Meanwhile in third generation - for those bearded ultra-orthodox medievalists - this nasty part of German history is over for more than 70 years and will never happen again. 

To all those ever-wailing Jews out there - I (not German) have never read/heard/saw a single word about anything in relation to semitism whatsoever. AfD is clearly against Islamization which is - like it or not - neither part of German (political) nor Jewish (religious) culture - nothing else was ever said!  

While your brethren of the faith along the east coast of the US and predominantly in Washington are mostly to blame for the tremendous mess in the Middle East I strongly suggest you keep your ever-big mouth shut of once as nobody ever mentioned anything about Semitism, Judaism or similar. 

Ever wailing Jews. There we go. Predictably, this topic attracts that kind of obvious Jew hating rhetoric. Don't bother denying it. You're busted. 

 

[Sydebolle]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Ever wailing Jews. There we go. Predictably, this topic attracts that kind of obvious Jew hating rhetoric. Don't bother denying it. You're busted. 

 

It would help if you would read the whole sentence I wrote. I referred to "those ever-wailing" and not to all of them - go figure! 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Sydebolle said:

It would help if you would read the whole sentence I wrote. I referred to "those ever-wailing" and not to all of them - go figure! 

I'm familiar with your posting history concerning the Jewish question. You're not fooling anyone that's awake. 

[ilostmypassword]

48 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Well, was to be expected. The door handles to the polling stations are not cold, yet the Nazi clubbing is in full swing already. Meanwhile in third generation - for those bearded ultra-orthodox medievalists - this nasty part of German history is over for more than 70 years and will never happen again. 

To all those ever-wailing Jews out there - I (not German) have never read/heard/saw a single word about anything in relation to semitism whatsoever. AfD is clearly against Islamization which is - like it or not - neither part of German (political) nor Jewish (religious) culture - nothing else was ever said!  

While your brethren of the faith along the east coast of the US and predominantly in Washington are mostly to blame for the tremendous mess in the Middle East I strongly suggest you keep your ever-big mouth shut of once as nobody ever mentioned anything about Semitism, Judaism or similar. 

You gave yourself away with blaming east coast Jews for the mess in the middle east. The largest group of supporters of Israel and the mideast fiascoes is not Jews but right wing Christian evangelists. And are George Bush or Dick Cheney Jewish. In fact, Jewish Americans are overwhelmingly much more liberal in their politics and were much less supportive of the Iraq War than most Americans. Just more ant-semitic tripe from you.

And once again, it wasn't me who referenced the WW2 allies and said the German government was their puppet, it was Alice Weidel. Do you think she meant WW2 allies in an approving way?

[simple1]

53 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

When you claim that the enemies of Nazi Germany during WW2 are now the masters of the current government, I'd say that qualifies as a neo-nazi statement.  Again, it's the AfD who claims that WW2 is irrelevant now. Except, apparently, when it isn't.

Expected that certain members busily defend the AfD. The AfD in turn have been active in denying anti semitic / racist roots of the membership and some senior leaders, in the exact same manner as FN. It's obviously insufficient for a senior member of AfD to be proud of two wars of aggressive expansionism to sound a warning. AfD as a far right political group, if they gained power, would destroy democratic institutions, no freedom of expression etc etc. Personally I find it extraordinary the level of support for a political party ultimately seeking a dictatorship.

 

Andre Wendt....

The member of parliament in Germany's eastern state of Saxony made waves in early 2016 with an inquiry into how far the state covers the cost of sterilizing unaccompanied refugee minors

 

Not neo Nazi's at heart - LOL

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, farq said:

 

You need to step back and take a look around you! The Jews, AIPAC and all the other puppets are the ones who actually run the US government!! The "president" is just a putz that is selected by the bullshit "electoral college" on behalf of these groups. That is why the US, at the insistence of these groups, sends billions of dollars to the neonazi Israelis to enable them to cause all the problems in the Middle East on behalf of the US! 

I agree  with all  but the  "all the other  puppets"  and  "on the  behalf  of  the  US " inclusions. And I would  add  that  I  believe it  goes  way  beyond  that.