Cory1848 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: Should? Try telling that to Shakespeare, Dickens or Hemingway. The sentence reads fine, nothing is ambiguous, that is the mark of proper punctuation. <sigh> Whatever. If you say "that is the mark of proper punctuation," I'm not going to quarrel with you; what's the point? P.S. Shakespeare you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGV Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 There is always some religious fanatic trying to impose his/her will on others The upset Resident would have to be tied by a chain and unable to move away from the house to have any real case to force these people to remove the images. My answer if you think they are disrespectful then don't go and look at them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 23 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: Which migrant construction workers are not Buddhists? Don't they all come from either Cambodia, Laos or Myanmar, I don't think there are any others who are allowed. Perhaps some are Muslim but the vast majority will also be Buddhist, so what exactly is nonsense other that the assumption that is any one person of a religion should be offended then every single person of that religion should be. no, the one in chiang mai are christ or their local religions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, LolaS said: no, the one in chiang mai are christ or their local religions The offended Thais probably recommended someone they knew to take them down; family!! I don't like it one bit - it's offending me big time - but slip 1000 Baht my way and it will soon be forgotten! It's just a money-go-round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Cory1848 said: <sigh> Whatever. If you say "that is the mark of proper punctuation," I'm not going to quarrel with you; what's the point? P.S. Shakespeare you're not. I would not claim to be, and I doubt you would either, my point was that my punctuation was rather more complete that any of the authors I mentioned yet you don't seem to hear people calling them out. As for what would be the point in quarrelling, did you not jump in thinking you had one? The mind boggles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 35 minutes ago, LolaS said: no, the one in chiang mai are christ or their local religions Really? I thought as most of them come from Shan, and that as Shan is about 80% Buddhist, that most of them would be Buddhists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 42 minutes ago, JGV said: There is always some religious fanatic trying to impose his/her will on others The upset Resident would have to be tied by a chain and unable to move away from the house to have any real case to force these people to remove the images. My answer if you think they are disrespectful then don't go and look at them I don't think that is how this type of offence works, it is not offence at the sight of them but offence at knowing how the icon is being treated, so just averting their gaze would not actually work at all. Do you think a Christian could be offended by someone burning the bible even if they were not looking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory1848 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: I would not claim to be, and I doubt you would either, my point was that my punctuation was rather more complete that any of the authors I mentioned yet you don't seem to hear people calling them out. As for what would be the point in quarrelling, did you not jump in thinking you had one? The mind boggles! Oh for heaven's sake. My initial comment was entirely in jest and in good spirit, as per my <stupid smiley face> insertion. It's only your continuing insistence on comparing your writing favorably with that of Hemingway and Dickens that begs ridicule. (BTW, your original post was indeed a run-on sentence: trust me, I'm a professional book editor.) Bye now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory1848 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Really? I thought as most of them come from Shan, and that as Shan is about 80% Buddhist, that most of them would be Buddhists. There are nearly half a million Karens in Thailand, most in the north. There are smaller numbers of several other non-Buddhist hill-tribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, Cory1848 said: There are nearly half a million Karens in Thailand, most in the north. There are smaller numbers of several other non-Buddhist hill-tribes. 85% of Karen are Buddhist, you're getting good at this jumping in without a point thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, LolaS said: no, the one in chiang mai are christ or their local religions What a strange argument you are pursuing. Construction in Thailand is done by Thais. They may have foreign workers, but the boss is Thai and he gives the orders. On top of that, quite a few hill tribe people from Thailand and Burma are Buddhist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, Cory1848 said: Oh for heaven's sake. My initial comment was entirely in jest and in good spirit, as per my <stupid smiley face> insertion. It's only your continuing insistence on comparing your writing favorably with that of Hemingway and Dickens that begs ridicule. (BTW, your original post was indeed a run-on sentence: trust me, I'm a professional book editor.) Bye now! Bye now, are you sure? You only managed to stay away for a matter of seconds! The point I made was clear, they are authors well known for their "runaway" sentences, I would have thought an editor would be better at getting the gist, how on earth do you manage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 19 hours ago, oldhippy said: Religions, political parties, traditional families, big business, armies, governments, states,... they all have 1 thing in common. That 1 thing turns even the best original intentions into evil. And the reason is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, canuckamuck said: What a strange argument you are pursuing. Construction in Thailand is done by Thais. They may have foreign workers, but the boss is Thai and he gives the orders. On top of that, quite a few hill tribe people from Thailand and Burma are Buddhist. No, construction is done by immigrants, projects, planing and architecture by thais. They are not BUDDHIST, for sure. they are pagan(anima) nature... 2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: Really? I thought as most of them come from Shan, and that as Shan is about 80% Buddhist, that most of them would be Buddhists. Shan are contruction workers? they are too weak by body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, owl sees all said: I don't mind if he put the concrete heads on the wall and painted them different colours. If they looked like they were just decoration; then that's OK with me. What I don't like is the religious nutters that are oh so easily offended. I feel the same about Muslims, Catholics, the ultra US Christians and the Jews. If someone says something bad about my favourite cat I don't get offended or threaten violence. Thais have been told what they must think for a very long time. Getting off their knees would be a good starting point for the country to escape from the third world. I agree with your sentiment. But not at all exclusively for Thai. Social/ cultural naiveity is embedded in the National Pride of many locations in as many formats as possible or required in the manipulation of populist loyalty. Humans are dubiously sophisticated apes who collectively fail to use the capacity they have inherited and instead prefer to abjectively concede to the pack leaders in ridiculous belief they have made or have any more valid valid choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: And the reason is? Power. Power of one person over another. Authority that is based on power. Power turns the kindest people into monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Our aim should not be to take away power from those in power, and give it to "better" leaders. Our aim should be to end the existence of power, and replace it by authority based on merrit, and with lots of checks & balances. A few thousands of years should be enough to accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, LolaS said: They are not BUDDHIST, for sure. they are pagan(anima) nature... Shan are contruction workers? they are too weak by body Who are not Buddhist? A small minority or tribals in Thailand and Myanmar are animist, the vast majority are Buddhist, but then those are not the ones the guides are selling you tours to go to gawp at, perhaps that is what you are confusing. I said from Shan, it is a place you know, not everyone in Shan is a Shan tribespeson, they are only one of 13 ethnicities in the state, and only 6% of them are animist, 81% are Buddhist. Perhaps best not to comment on an ethnicities body strength, it only makes you sound weak in the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 45 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Our aim should not be to take away power from those in power, and give it to "better" leaders. Our aim should be to end the existence of power, and replace it by authority based on merrit, and with lots of checks & balances. A few thousands of years should be enough to accomplish this. Our aim could be a little more forward thinking than that, try Icelands method they used to write their constitution for a taste of future democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolaS Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Who are not Buddhist? A small minority or tribals in Thailand and Myanmar are animist, the vast majority are Buddhist, but then those are not the ones the guides are selling you tours to go to gawp at, perhaps that is what you are confusing. I said from Shan, it is a place you know, not everyone in Shan is a Shan tribespeson, they are only one of 13 ethnicities in the state, and only 6% of them are animist, 81% are Buddhist. Perhaps best not to comment on an ethnicities body strength, it only makes you sound weak in the mind. i am talking based on facts, not a feelings, there are no shans as you present in contructuion so much, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Our aim could be a little more forward thinking than that, try Icelands method they used to write their constitution for a taste of future democracy. Care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, LolaS said: i am talking based on facts, not a feelings, there are no shans as you present in contructuion so much, Yes, there really are many people from Shan working in construction in Thailand. It is estimated that over 1000 people enter Thailand from Shan every month, their biggest employment is found in agriculture but many of them also find construction work. 14% of construction workers in Thailand are migrants, 75% of which are from Myanmar, the state providing the most being Shan, that is a fact. Shan are the single largest group of migrants in Thailand working in the road building and construction industry. I have no idea where you think you are getting your "facts" but I get mine from the Institue for Population and Social Research at Mahidol University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Care to explain? They wrote their whole constitution by public forum, we could be ready to do away with parliament altogether and replace it with the public, a real democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: They wrote their whole constitution by public forum, we could be ready to do away with parliament altogether and replace it with the public, a real democracy. But as they did not eliminate "power", they ended up with crooked bankers that gambled away people's savings (Kaupthing), and crooked politicians that parked their money in tax heavens (Panama Papers). Also, Iceland is not really a country, based on the number of inhabitants it is more like a rather small town, and therefore not a possible role model for other countries. Beautifull place though, in my younger days I spent 6 months there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/26/2017 at 4:21 PM, tracker1 said: Disrespectful hmmm so monks drug dealing, scaming and shaging is acceptable ? Why would you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracker1 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Just Weird said: Why would you say that? Because these buddhists didn't appear to complain as much about the activities of the monks involved in their little escapades as placing buddist heads on a fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenoilif Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: I agree with your sentiment. But not at all exclusively for Thai. Social/ cultural naiveity is embedded in the National Pride of many locations in as many formats as possible or required in the manipulation of populist loyalty. Humans are dubiously sophisticated apes who collectively fail to use the capacity they have inherited and instead prefer to abjectively concede to the pack leaders in ridiculous belief they have made or have any more valid valid choice. Nice job proving your own point while trying to be pretentious. Another common trait of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 8 hours ago, oldhippy said: But as they did not eliminate "power", they ended up with crooked bankers that gambled away people's savings (Kaupthing), and crooked politicians that parked their money in tax heavens (Panama Papers). Also, Iceland is not really a country, based on the number of inhabitants it is more like a rather small town, and therefore not a possible role model for other countries. Beautifull place though, in my younger days I spent 6 months there. My comment wasn't meant as an example of success, just of how a public forum can function as do politicians, and that I think that the concept could be taken, expanded on and used instead of a parliament. I think we need a radical change now, we have stagnated for a while now, people have become disillusioned with democracy as it does not necessarily represent them, we need a way to provide representation for everyone, a forum based system could be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzidenn Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 On 9/29/2017 at 2:17 AM, cyberfarang said: Many westerners that come to Thailand have three problems: Their hearts and souls are still firmly based in their own countries and do not adapt well in Thailand and believe they can push the boundaries regarding the laws and general lifestyle in this laid back country because they are in Thailand, thinking no one will care so they can do what they please. I know many Thai who live in Europe and they do exactly the same. there is nothing wrong with that. Why do you think that it is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 21 hours ago, Cory1848 said: There are nearly half a million Karens in Thailand, most in the north. There are smaller numbers of several other non-Buddhist hill-tribes. The people of the tribal villages I visited in the mountains northwest of Chiang Dao were Animists. Complete with their village Shaman. I saw a small Christian church in one village... but it looked abandoned, and I was told it was no longer in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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