British PM May says bitterly disappointed by U.S. Bombardier ruling

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British PM May says bitterly disappointed by U.S. Bombardier ruling

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May speaks at the Complesso Santa Maria Novella, Florence, Italy September 22, 2017. REUTERS/Jeff J Mitchell/Pool

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May said she was bitterly disappointed by a U.S. decision to slap heavy duties on Bombardier Inc's CSeries jets which are partly made in Northern Ireland.

 

May had urged U.S. President Donald Trump to help find a solution to the Boeing-Bombardier dispute which has put around 4,200 jobs at risk in the British province where the jet's wings are made.

 

Boeing accuses Bombardier of dumping its new CSeries passenger jet in the U.S. market and says the aircraft is being unfairly subsidized by Canada, a charge the Canadian firm denies.

 

The U.S. Commerce Department on Tuesday imposed a preliminary anti-subsidy 220 percent duty on the jets.

 

"Bitterly disappointed by initial Bombardier ruling," May said on Twitter. "The government will continue to work with the company to protect vital jobs for Northern Ireland."

 

The imposition of tariffs ups the pressure on May's minority Conservative government which depends on backing from the small Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) for their majority control of the British parliament.

Bombardier is the single largest manufacturing employer in Northern Ireland.

 

The DUP's leader Arlene Foster said the ruling was not the end of the process. "There are further steps that will follow," she said in a statement.

 

Britain's business ministry said it would continue to work closely with the Canadian government to encourage all parties to reach a credible resolution as quickly as possible. It also criticised Boeing's role in the dispute.

 

"Boeing's position in this case is unjustified and frankly not what we would expect of a long-term partner to the UK – as well as damaging the wider global aerospace industry," a spokeswoman for the department said.

 

(Reporting by Kate Holton in London and Elizabeth Piper in Brighton; editing by Guy Faulconbridge)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-27

[jobsworth]

now maybe she will realise that the special relationship is not a relationship at all. it all about the trident missiles she leases from america. why can england not make its own missiles like france?

(that is assuming that the uk must have the bomb.)

 

[Krataiboy]

British PM May says bitterly disappointed by U.S. Bombardier ruling

 

The start of payback from Uncle Sam for not staying in the EU as instructed by Trump's predecessor. Their next move will likely be to "help" us with a phony "free trade" arrangement along the lines of the egregious Transatlatic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) rightly rejected by our European partners.

 

Watch this space.

[mrfill]

I suspect this won't be the last 'bitter disappointment' experienced in trying to sort out all the wonderful trade deals the world is clearly begging to give the UK. This is not even protecting Boeing's business as they don't build a plane like the Canadian Bombardier.

[terryw]

The USA have never seriously supported free trade. They have one of the most protectionist economies in the world.

 

[Srikcir]

Bombardier has only to blame itself for making an unmarketable position with the CS series jets in comparison with similar Boeing, Embraer and Airbus jets.

http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/outflanked-and-outmuscled-bombardier-incs-uphill-climb-against-competitors-with-much-deeper-pockets

 

 

[mrfill]

6 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Bombardier has only to blame itself for making an unmarketable position with the CS series jets in comparison with similar Boeing, Embraer and Airbus jets.

http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/outflanked-and-outmuscled-bombardier-incs-uphill-climb-against-competitors-with-much-deeper-pockets

 

 

And yet Delta airlines said

 "Boeing has no American-made product to offer because it canceled production of its only aircraft in this size range – the 717 – more than 10 years ago."

According to Delta, Boeing's only proposed alternative to the CS100 was to offer it a batch of second-hand Brazilian Embraer E190 regional jets. Oddly enough, the used Embraers Boeing offered Delta were reportedly traded in by Air Canada. 

 

Which rather contradicts your 2 year old story....

[phantomfiddler]

Hang in there, Theresa, it,s gonna be a long hard road but well worth it in the long run :)

[hugh2121]

Where's the problem? Just slap even heavier duties on Boeings. Simple really.

[Caps]

So slap heavier duties on everything coming from the US, then it can still be america first...first in the  queue for high duties 

[Trouble]

For all the news this makes, that report is a little short on the facts or merits of the issue at hand. Is the plane being in anyway subsidized by the government and is it being "dumped" on the market?  There must be some reason the U.S. Department of Commerce took the action they did and it certainly was not taken without due process.

[pegman]

2 hours ago, Trouble said:

For all the news this makes, that report is a little short on the facts or merits of the issue at hand. Is the plane being in anyway subsidized by the government and is it being "dumped" on the market?  There must be some reason the U.S. Department of Commerce took the action they did and it certainly was not taken without due process.

NAFTA talks 

[pegman]

4 hours ago, hugh2121 said:

Where's the problem? Just slap even heavier duties on Boeings. Simple really.

Canada is pulling out from purchasing fighter jets worth $9B and kicking out Walmart's 490 stores. Next will be Home Depot, MacDonalds and Diary Queen.

[Thongkorn]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Bombardier has only to blame itself for making an unmarketable position with the CS series jets in comparison with similar Boeing, Embraer and Airbus jets.

http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/outflanked-and-outmuscled-bombardier-incs-uphill-climb-against-competitors-with-much-deeper-pockets

 

 

What a load of <deleted>, the Bombardier plane is more economical and environmentally better,

[Thongkorn]

34 minutes ago, pegman said:

Canada is pulling out from purchasing fighter jets worth $9B and kicking out Walmart's 490 stores. Next will be Home Depot, MacDonalds and Diary Queen.

And britain is thinking of doing the same,

[Thongkorn]

3 hours ago, Trouble said:

For all the news this makes, that report is a little short on the facts or merits of the issue at hand. Is the plane being in anyway subsidized by the government and is it being "dumped" on the market?  There must be some reason the U.S. Department of Commerce took the action they did and it certainly was not taken without due process.

 Killing of competition , They dont want another competitor like Air Bus, so they are killing it off from the start because it is far superior than any plane in that category Boeing make.

[pegman]

6 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Bombardier has only to blame itself for making an unmarketable position with the CS series jets in comparison with similar Boeing, Embraer and Airbus jets.

http://business.financialpost.com/transportation/outflanked-and-outmuscled-bombardier-incs-uphill-climb-against-competitors-with-much-deeper-pockets

 

 

What nonsense from a failing Tory mouthpiece fishwrap. The sooner the FinPost and the rest of PostMedia goes bankrupt the better. The airplane business is competitive, who knew. 

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/05/16/paul-godfreys-call-for-government-subsidies-to-newspapers-a-venerable-idea-walkom.html

[pegman]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-bombardier-trade-war-brewster-1.4308734

[Dustdevil]

All European and Commonwealth-made aircraft are government-subsidized. To blazes with them.  By the way, I hate those little Canadair regional jets. Even in first class there's no room in the overhead bins for the normal wheeled carryon bags. Flying from Boise to San Francisco they dumped us on the tarmac to await our carryon luggage! United should scrap those and use 737s. And don't talk to me about the U.S. being protectionist. Europe and all of East Asia are far more protectionist. Just look at how your precious EU constantly targets successful American tech companies ... because they're popular and that irks Brussels. Meanwhile the U.S. is under no obligation to allow every import in unscathed. Here's an example of British corporate arrogance: HSBC or one of the major British banks dealt with Iran directly from their New York branch, against U.S. law. The manager there said "Who are the Americans to tell us who we can do business with?" The answer to that us when you're on U.S. soil, you follow U.S. laws and don't use the U.S. financial system to launder money for Iran! Do it from your own shores.

[Dustdevil]

Just now, Dustdevil said:

7 hours ago, pegman said:

Canada is pulling out from purchasing fighter jets worth $9B and kicking out Walmart's 490 stores. Next will be Home Depot, MacDonalds and Diary Queen.

90% of the Canadian private sector is U.S.-owned. Good luck with competing after you kick them all out.

[Dustdevil]

14 hours ago, jobsworth said:

now maybe she will realise that the special relationship is not a relationship at all. it all about the trident missiles she leases from america. why can england not make its own missiles like france?

(that is assuming that the uk must have the bomb.)

 

 

Trident subs carry 192 independently targetable nuclear warheads from 100 to 450 kilotons  (Hiroshima's was 14kt) atop 28 missiles. I'm not sure France's subs are more than a token.

 

 

[Srikcir]

12 hours ago, mrfill said:

"Boeing has no American-made product to offer because it canceled production of its only aircraft in this size range – the 717 – more than 10 years ago."

"The C Series aircraft is directly comparable to the Airbus A319 and the Boeing 737"

https://blog.privatefly.com/us/would-bombardier-c-series-make-a-good-private-jet

"It’s the CS300 that directly challenges Airbus’s A319 and Boeing’s 737-700/7." .... "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotthamilton5/2016/06/29/david-vs-two-goliaths-bombardier-takes-on-airbus-and-boeing/#679cb88176a1

 

[Srikcir]

48 minutes ago, Dustdevil said:

I'm not sure France's subs are more than a token.

This discussion is getting off topic.

But I'll add that France has nuclear subs that each carry 12-16 SLBM's MIRVed with 6-10 nuclear warheads each rated 110kt.

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/france-submarine-capabilities/

That's a lot of independent nuclear "tokens" in one sub. A 110kt surface burst creates a 0.52km fireball radius with 100% fatality.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

[Scott]

26 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

This discussion is getting off topic.

But I'll add that France has nuclear subs that each carry 12-16 SLBM's MIRVed with 6-10 nuclear warheads each rated 110kt.

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/france-submarine-capabilities/

That's a lot of independent nuclear "tokens" in one sub. A 110kt surface burst creates a 0.52km fireball radius with 100% fatality.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

I believe you may be right.   Please get back on the topic. 

[hugh2121]

13 hours ago, pegman said:

NAFTA talks 

There must be some reason the U.S. Department of Commerce took the action they did 

 

It's called protectionism.

[ilostmypassword]

Theresa May hints at Boeing boycott in Bombardier US tariff row

Theresa May has dropped a strong hint that the government will stop ordering planes from the US aerospace giant Boeing following the decision to slap punitive tariffs on planes part-made in Belfast by the Canadian company Bombardier.

Angered by the threat to 4,000 jobs in one of the poorest parts of the UK, the prime minister said Boeing’s action was not the sort of behaviour Britain expected from a long-term partner but was part of a “creeping protectionism” around the world.

“What I would say in relation to Boeing,” she said, “is of course we have a long-term partnership with Boeing, various aspects of government, and this is not the sort of behaviour we expect from a long-term partner.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/theresa-may-hints-at-boeing-boycott-in-bombardier-us-tariff-row

[Khun Han]

The EU has been prattling on about the Irish border and protecting the Good Friday agreement. Has it made any comment on this issue with Bombardier, remainers? We are still a member of it's crappy club/scam aren't we? We're still paying in. Why aren't we getting anything out on this? We're expected to honour our commitments but the EU can shirk theirs? All I can find in the press is negative stuff about what happens when the UK is alone outside the EU (which we're not yet).

 

Btw, I couldn't care less about EU support over this. Just pointing out the hypocrisy by the EU scam organisation.

[RuamRudy]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

The EU has been prattling on about the Irish border and protecting the Good Friday agreement. Has it made any comment on this issue with Bombardier, remainers? We are still a member of it's crappy club/scam aren't we? We're still paying in. Why aren't we getting anything out on this? We're expected to honour our commitments but the EU can shirk theirs? All I can find in the press is negative stuff about what happens when the UK is alone outside the EU (which we're not yet).

 

Btw, I couldn't care less about EU support over this. Just pointing out the hypocrisy by the EU scam organisation.

Fantastic - our weak and wobbly government of fools is being well and truly kippered by the country that they trumpeted would be our saviour and guiding light for our bright and bold new future, and yet our Brexiter friends still manage to blame the EU for it.

 

Should the Daily Express ever, heaven forbid, suffer a devastating loss in its team of leader writers, they needn't worry too much - seems that there is no end to those willing to make the most tenuous links between X and the "crappy club/scam".

 

That'll teach Weak & Wobbly what happens to nice girls who put out on a first date.

[AYJAYDEE]

On 9/27/2017 at 5:25 PM, Dustdevil said:

90% of the Canadian private sector is U.S.-owned. Good luck with competing after you kick them all out.

90%??

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Fantastic - our weak and wobbly government of fools is being well and truly kippered by the country that they trumpeted would be our saviour and guiding light for our bright and bold new future, and yet our Brexiter friends still manage to blame the EU for it.

 

Should the Daily Express ever, heaven forbid, suffer a devastating loss in its team of leader writers, they needn't worry too much - seems that there is no end to those willing to make the most tenuous links between X and the "crappy club/scam".

 

That'll teach Weak & Wobbly what happens to nice girls who put out on a first date.

 

Well done! You managed to completely sidestep my question in your zeal to insult. So I'll ask it again: why isn't the EU standing up for it's member state the UK over the Bombardier dispute?